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Will foreign-born players bring U.S. fans back to the NBA?
Posted: Monday June 30, 2003 2:50 PM



There were so many international players in last week's NBA draft that it was almost impossible to follow the proceedings without an atlas at the ready. (Darko Milicic, the No. 2 overall selection, is from Serbia and Montenegro? Is that anything like William and Mary?) Commissioner David Stern and his minions are no doubt thrilled with the increasing globalization of the league, and the beaucoup bucks from overseas fans that comes with it.

Though Argentines may be wearing San Antonio Spurs jerseys and sales of Dallas Mavericks gear may be booming in Germany, the popularity of the NBA here in the U.S. is on the wane, as indicated by those Discovery Channel-sized TV ratings for the Finals. General managers don't care if their shooting guard is from Pittsburgh or Poland, but the guess here is that a significant portion of the U.S. public does, even if it's subconsciously. It's hard to believe that importing foreign-born players is the best way to recapture the attention of American fans.

If nothing else, the new international flavor of the league is setting up a fascinating sociological experiment: What is more important to the American sporting consumer -- race or culture? Clearly, some fans have been turned off by the urban, hip-hop, go-for-the-dunk-and-damn-the-fundamentals feel of the predominantly black NBA. Will those people like the league better if it's populated by more Caucasians whose names they can't pronounce? If Antoine Walker and Jermaine O'Neal don't suit your taste, will you really prefer Zarko Cabarkapa or Sofoklis Schortsanitis?

The subtext of all the complaining about the NBA's new generation of stars, the Allen Iversons and Rasheed Wallaces, is that mainstream (read: white) America just can't warm up to African-American men with tattoos and 'do rags who scowl as often as they smile. The question now is, will those fans be more receptive to European players who are more similar to them in appearance but are worlds apart culturally? Sports such as hockey and soccer have spent decades trying to recruit more U.S.-born players in the hopes of drawing more attention from American fans. The NBA seems to be going in the opposite direction

The flip side of the issue is that the NBA has been capitalizing on its cool factor for years. If it hasn't been able to hold the interest of the businessman and the soccer mom, it has at least attracted their children, especially those who identify with inner city youth culture. But no matter how good a player someone like Milicic becomes, it's hard to imagine that a teenager in, say, Chicago will ever turn as many heads walking down the street sporting Darko's signature sneakers as he would in a pair of the latest Tracy McGradys.

Coaches may find it refreshing to deal with foreign players who haven't been pampered since grade school because of their basketball talent the way many American NBA stars have, but the league may discover that those individuals don't carry the street cred that keeps younger fans tuning in.

There's no longer any doubt about whether players from other continents are good enough to play in the NBA. Stars like Dirk Nowitzki and Peja Stojakovic have answered that question. The issue now is whether those guys can help the league reconnect with American fans. If they can, it will be a strong indication that the popularity of the NBA is as dependent on the complexion of the players as it is on the quality of the play, and that's not the answer anyone is looking for.


Sports Illustrated senior writer Phil Taylor writes about a Hot Button topic every Monday on SI.com.
 

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Well them seem to forget about players from Brazil.......also, not every european player is white.
 

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Originally posted by jbeecham
Well them seem to forget about players from Brazil.......also, not every european player is white.
Where does the article say that every european player is white?

Anyway are these "mistakes" huge flaws?
 
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"If nothing else, the new international flavor of the league is setting up a fascinating sociological experiment: What is more important to the American sporting consumer -- race or culture? Clearly, some fans have been turned off by the urban, hip-hop, go-for-the-dunk-and-damn-the-fundamentals feel of the predominantly black NBA. Will those people like the league better if it's populated by more Caucasians whose names they can't pronounce? If Antoine Walker and Jermaine O'Neal don't suit your taste, will you really prefer Zarko Cabarkapa or Sofoklis Schortsanitis?"

Hmmmm.....I didn't know that Sofoklis was a Caucasian?

It just shows really poor preparation for him to include a half-African player with his argument that Americans want more Caucasian players.
 

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Originally posted by hcsilla
Where does the article say that every european player is white?

Anyway are these "mistakes" huge flaws?

I think it is a pretty huge flaw to talk of Caucasian players, but include an African player in the list of "white, caucasian" players.

It shows he did little to no research.
 

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Is it that Darko Milicic is from the Republic of Montenegro and not from Serbia and Montenegro???....

I know they share a State Union but still, he is from the Republic of Montenegro...
 

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Nope, from Montenegro or from Serbia and Montenegro is the same as from New York or from the United States of America.

in other words:
Montenegro: Serbia and Montenegro :: New York: U.S.A.
 
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Will those people like the league better if it's populated by more Caucasians whose names they can't pronounce? If Antoine Walker and Jermaine O'Neal don't suit your taste, will you really prefer Zarko Cabarkapa or Sofoklis Schortsanitis?"

I see the problem now. I didn't catch it the first time I read the article. I may have trouble pronouncing Sofoklis Schortsanitis, but he definitely is not Caucasian.

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Originally posted by hcsilla
The article doesn't say that Schortanitis is a Caucasian.

Actually Zaur Pachulia is.

It doesn't outwardly say that, but if I didn't know he wasn't Caucasian it would imply that he was considering the fact that he is grouped with a bunch of Caucasians.
 

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Originally posted by Krangthebrain
It doesn't outwardly say that, but if I didn't know he wasn't Caucasian it would imply that he was considering the fact that he is grouped with a bunch of Caucasians.

The main point is that his name is hard to pronounce, not that he is Caucasian.
 

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At the very least it is poorly written. He suggests that perhaps fans would be happier with Caucasians with names we can't pronounce. In the very next sentence he asks if those same fans might like Cabarkapa or Soflokes instead of a couple of black players like Jermaine O'Neal and Antoine Walker.

As I read that it looks to me like the writer does not realize that Shorty is black.

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Originally posted by Chaplin
The main point is that his name is hard to pronounce, not that he is Caucasian.

I realize that, but as Joe said, someone who doesn't realize that and didn't know Sofoklis' was black, would think he was Caucasian.

(Sidenote: I could careless what color the players are. I actually feel that I have more in common with Jermaine O'Neal and Antoine Walker than Darko and Zarko.)
 

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Originally posted by Chaplin
The main point is that his name is hard to pronounce, not that he is Caucasian.

Actually I think the main point is that these European players are supposedly Caucasian and look more like the white NBA fans. If you go back and reread the article the writer talks about white America's inability to warm up to all of these black kids with their tattoos and scowls. Well, take a look at that picture of Schortanitas. If he isn't a big, scowling black guy I don't know who is.

The question now is, will those fans be more receptive to European players who are more similar to them in appearance but are worlds apart culturally?

"Those fans" is referring to white America. Schortanitis does not look like white America to me.

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It looks like he failed to do his homework like Krang proposed - I totally missed it because, like the author, I assumed Sofoklis was Greek and hence, in all liklihood, caucasian. I don't know as I'd call it a huge flaw in the article because 90% of the readers won't know any better than I did.

What I think is a larger flaw is the assumption that mainstream Americans are turned off the NBA because of the dominance of black players. It seems to me the racial makeup of the league was not all that different back when it was yearly ascending to new heights of popularity. The leading players were guys like Dr. J, Isaiah, Bird, Magic and MJ, if you remember. I'm sure the league would love to know what is the problem but whatever it is, it isn't simply race.
 

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Originally posted by Errntknght
It looks like he failed to do his homework like Krang proposed - I totally missed it because, like the author, I assumed Sofoklis was Greek and hence, in all liklihood, caucasian. I don't know as I'd call it a huge flaw in the article because 90% of the readers won't know any better than I did.

What I think is a larger flaw is the assumption that mainstream Americans are turned off the NBA because of the dominance of black players. It seems to me the racial makeup of the league was not all that different back when it was yearly ascending to new heights of popularity. The leading players were guys like Dr. J, Isaiah, Bird, Magic and MJ, if you remember. I'm sure the league would love to know what is the problem but whatever it is, it isn't simply race.

I still believe it comes down to money. It's one thing when your superstars are making an unbelievable amount of money, but today even the seventh or eighth best player on a team makes $3-4 million per season. Meanwhile the average Joe has trouble affording decent tickets to a game with more than once or twice a season. The players are younger and less skilled, but they are making five times as much money as the guys 15 years ago.

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I'm sure the league would love to know what is the problem but whatever it is, it isn't simply race.

...the seventh or eighth best player on a team makes $3-4 million per season. Meanwhile the average Joe has trouble affording decent tickets to a game

I don't know what the real reason is, but neither of these can be right. Just look at the NFL. In the NFL, most players are black, the players still make a lot more than the average fan (if not as much as NBA players), and the tickets are expensive. But the NFL is very popular, with TV ratings doing just fine.

So the NBA has a problem that the NFL doesn't. I think there are two reasons, but this is just a hunch:

1. The officials have a very strong influence on the outcome of the game in the NBA. The NFL, to the casual fan, appears to be fairer. Kurt Warner's offensive line doesn't get away with extra holding just because they're protecting Kurt Warner.

2. In football, there's always the chance that the next play will make a huge difference in the ultimate outcome of the game, no matter how boring the game appears at the moment. That's not true in basketball until crunch time.
 

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1. The officials have a very strong influence on the outcome of the game in the NBA. The NFL, to the casual fan, appears to be fairer. Kurt Warner's offensive line doesn't get away with extra holding just because they're protecting Kurt Warner.

2. In football, there's always the chance that the next play will make a huge difference in the ultimate outcome of the game, no matter how boring the game appears at the moment. That's not true in basketball until crunch time.

3. More people played football in Highschool than basketball.

4. It is more often outside and for some reason easier for fans to drink massive amounts of alcohol and play dress up.

5. The playing weight of the average NFL player is closer to the weight of an average fan without the player having to be obscenely tall.

6. There are less games so each one has more importance.

7. More physical contact, but they wear more clothing to hide the sweat and homosexual undertones.

8. It's an excuse not to go to church on Sundays.

9. It's an excuse to go to the bars after work on Monday nights.

10. More of a feeling that your team has a chance for an upset on any given day(or...Sunday if you will).

11. Team names like Raiders, Buccaneers, Vikings and Titans, as opposed to Heat, Jazz, Knickerbockers and Trailblazers.

12. The awesome display of athletecism which harbors hidden envy and scorn by fans is protected in basketball and tackled in football.

13. Football is based on pig skin and basketball is based on peach baskets.

14. Europeans are relegated to field goals, punts and kick-offs.

15. There has never been a Michael Jordan to retire from football.

16. Canada is still excluded.

17. Creative ideas like naming a team from Texas...the Texans.

18. Fans get two minute warnings in case they forget how many minutes are left when the clock says "2:00".

19. Another important aspect of having fewer games: the fans can count as high as the numbers in the standings.

20. The style of play is more familiar to the fans: a sudden burst of effort and energy which ends prematurely and more often than not leaves nothing to show for it, so they take a break and then go out there and try it again.
 
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Originally posted by fordronken
3. More people played football in Highschool than basketball.

True.

4. It is more often outside and for some reason easier for fans to drink massive amounts of alcohol and play dress up.

Sort of, depends on the team..:D

5. The playing weight of the average NFL player is closer to the weight of an average fan without the player having to be obscenely tall.

I don't know about that. Leonard Davis of the Cardinals is 6'6 375, with 19% body fat. Name one basketball player that is that massive.

6. There are less games so each one has more importance.

Very true. Even more true in college football.

7. More physical contact, but they wear more clothing to hide the sweat and homosexual undertones.

I don't know about this one. The quarterback center exchange has more homosexual undertones than almost any other event in sports. :D

8. It's an excuse not to go to church on Sundays.

Definitely. Football supersedes religion. :D

9. It's an excuse to go to the bars after work on Monday nights.

Or hang out with your family.

10. More of a feeling that your team has a chance for an upset on any given day(or...Sunday if you will).

I don't know about that. Even the Denver Nuggets can get a win against a good NBA team. Playing teams in your division 2 times, and one time for nondivisonal teams gives you less of a shot at an upset.

11. Team names like Raiders, Buccaneers, Vikings and Titans, as opposed to Heat, Jazz, Knickerbockers and Trailblazers.

True, but would Raiders, Buccaneers, Vikings, and Titans sound good for a Basketball team? Not really.

12. The awesome display of athletecism which harbors hidden envy and scorn by fans is protected in basketball and tackled in football.

I don't know about scorn. I think that the masculinism of football is what is appealing to most. "Tough guy sport" compared with a "finesse sport".

13. Football is based on pig skin and basketball is based on peach baskets.

"Tough guy sport" vs. "finesse sport"

14. Europeans are relegated to field goals, punts and kick-offs.

Very true.

15. There has never been a Michael Jordan to retire from football.

In a way the great players in football are (at least from my perspective) the greatest athletes in American sports. Michael Jordan never went through the grind of physical damage that Emmitt Smith has gone through. Football players have a much shorter career.

16. Canada is still excluded.

Hey what about the CFL? It's supposedly football too, though wacky like all Canadian creations. :D

17. Creative ideas like naming a team from Texas...the Texans.

Only in Texas would that happen..

18. Fans get two minute warnings in case they forget how many minutes are left when the clock says "2:00".

Actually that's not for the fans. It's for the coaches, which is even crazier.

19. Another important aspect of having fewer games: the fans can count as high as the numbers in the standings.

Is this a joke about football fans intelligence? Basketball doesn't exactly require great intelligence.

20. The style of play is more familiar to the fans: a sudden burst of effort and energy which ends prematurely and more often than not leaves nothing to show for it, so they take a break and then go out there and try it again.

I'll leave this one alone. Sounds more like a personal problem. :D
 
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My reasons for the decline of the NBA.

1. The race issue is true to some extent. I've known quite a few people who feel that the NBA is a "gangsta" league. The fact that the NBA promotes itself around Hip Hop doesn't help that stereotype. Other than kids, who exactly are they promoting the league to? The NFL promotes itself more to rich white men. It really is more of a matter of perception.

2. The long schedule. For the NBA to compete with the NFL, and to remain economically viable for the owners and players, the season has been stretched out over a period that seems like almost a year. It basically stretches from Fall to Spring. And with the ridiculous cost of watching Pro sports live, it's hard for Joe Schmo to attend a game.

3. The Finesse sport tag. Basketball is viewed as too much of a finesse sport by some. Any true NBA fan knows that is total b.s., but that is the perception of many American men.
 

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Originally posted by Errntknght
It looks like he failed to do his homework like Krang proposed - I totally missed it because, like the author, I assumed Sofoklis was Greek and hence, in all liklihood, caucasian.
Greece is at least by 1000 km far from Causasus.
 

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Caucasian refers either to the Caucasus region or to racially white people in general. (At one time it was mistakenly believed that Caucasus was where they originated, hence the designation.) I mean, here I left the word uncapitalized so it wouldn't be mistaken for the place name, but the one person that knows about the region misses it... go figure. Or maybe it was a willful misunderstanding...
 

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