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Now that the first BA&SK Draft is in the books, here are some of the eye-opening themes and objectives that the team hoped to accomplish:

* become more physical everywhere across the board

* draft high character leaders, self-starters who have a passion for the game

* be flexible enough to move down in order to acquire extra picks

* stay true to the 120 player draft board

* take advantage of the team's scouting reports


Allow me to elaborate on each point:

Become More Physical:

a). Cooper and Watford---not only are they tough and physical, they both possess outstanding feet, which enables the staff to run the type of pulling and trapping running attack they like, in addition to being able to get great push and quick downfield blocks on zone plays, stretch plays and bubble screens.

b). Minter---best fill and tackle inside LB in the draft---highly accountable and reliable---consistent---not a finesse LB in the least, which fits the new style to a tee, as Minter will be given gap and hole responsibilities when DD and CC are firing gaps and attacking upfield---downhill tackling from the LBs is a must in this system.

c). Honey Badger---you look at him run around in shorts and you forget that he is actually a highly physical player---he sticks his nose in there with the best of them, always ripping away at the ball---he's tenacious and pesky---always looking to create turnovers.

d). Okafor---may not have the edge speed and quickness that would have made him a sure-fire 1st round pick, but he's very physical and strong.

e). Taylor and Ellington---fit BA's 3 Down RB mold because they are hard, tough runners who are passionate about pass protection and can catch the ball when needed to---Taylor is all meat and potatoes, Ellington adds a little shake and spice. BA got very good production from a 6th round rookie in Vic Ballard last year (800+ yards), who is a non-flashy, meat and potatoes RB---and you think of what Mike Shanahan got from his meat and potatoes 6th rounder, Alfred Morris and realize that sure, tough and steady RB play works very well as a compliment to an upscale passing attack.

f.) Swope---tough as nails, goes all out, holds nothing back, plays WR with a running back's mentality.

g.) Jefferson---a physical specimen at TE who blocks hard on the edge and shows excellent size and hands in the passing game.

Character and Leadership:

One of the reasons why these players are so tough, passionate and physical, because they are the types that coaches and players vote for as captains.

Honey Badger has shown his character in the ways in which he has stared down his problems and aggressively acted to ameliorate them. He could have gone off the deep end and wallowed in self-pity. Instead, he asked for help and surrounded himself with the right support team.

Draft Flexibility:

Steve Keim gambled and could have miscalculated the risk of losing his targeted player, but on both occasions, he still got the player he wanted and was able to add G Earl Watford and RB Andre Ellington.

Staying True to the Draft Board:

BA said that he had rarely seen a draft fall right into place the way the Cardinals' draft did---he said that Indy's draft was the same last year, as they were able to take the players they wanted where they were projecting them.

Two particular cases in point---having already taken a guard and RB, BASK stayed true to the board when they selected the two players they were able to add via the two trades: G Earl Watford and RB Andre Ellington.

What's often the case when you get an extra pick is you are tempted to reach for a player whom you think has very good potential, like a late round QB or an injured star like RB Marcus Lattimore.

BA & SK know that they don't have that luxury right now---they want to win now, so they felt they needed to take players who could help them now---and they stayed true to that commitment with each pick.

It's quite possible that all 9 of these players will make the 53 man roster---

By drafting two guards in the first and fourth rounds, that pretty much guarantees a shake up in an area that very much needs a shakeup.

By drafting two RBs, BA&SK created some insurance and potential stability at another one of the team's most unstable positions.

In a similar fashion, look at what BASK have done in the off-season to address the MOST unstable position on the team: QB.

Take a good look at how they have addressed the CB position.

BA&SK have identified the team's most imminent weaknesses and vulnerabilities and have done everything they can to clean those situations up. You have to be impressed (maybe even wowed like I am) with their tenacity.

Talk is now they would like to fortify the NT position---MJ is predicting a FA signing is imminent---

And...if they can create a little more cap space---there's a dynamic edge pass rusher they would love to sign, who just might be the missing puzzle piece that you find in the back of the couch that completes the picture.

Take Advantage of Scouting Reports:

This is something Steve Keim is already very savvy about due to his extensive work as a team scout. The East coast scouts deserve a great deal of credit for identifying Cooper, Watford, Ellington and Jefferson. Keim himself was visiting North Carolina to scout Cooper for the past two years, which speaks to the foresight and depth of Keim's work.

BA deserves some credit here too---because some of the best scouting comes from word of mouth. He said that Andrew Luck couldn't stop raving about his boy Stepfan Taylor---and interestingly BA always kept that in the back of his mind and likely beat the Colts to the pick.

When you look at the free agents and draft picks that BA&SK have added to the roster---this is going to be the most physical football team the Cardinals have ever had. BA&SK want to lay the wood to the NFC West---which will mean laying wood on wood, because those teams bring it big-time.

Here comes the teaching and the molding of the character of this team.

When you hear BA&SK---you just sense it's money in the bank---they are supremely confident in their ability to assemble, teach and inspire a team of champions.

I feel so proud to be a Cardinals' fan right now---for even as a fan, I feel like these coaches and players are speaking to all the fans and making us a part of the team right with them. It's such an incredible feeling!
 
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I'm 30 born and raised here been a cardinal fan as long as I can remember and I have never felt more positive energy coming from this team. Never felt more optimistic as a fan about the direction this team is headed. Michael is clearly not his old man and had shown that he wants to put a quality product out there.

I am just very happy right now with what I see going on, a cardinals off season with no complaints wtf well thanks to sarver I still got the suns to complain about.
 

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"ameliorate"?

Definition of AMELIORATE

transitive verb
: to make better or more tolerable


I guess it works.
Proceed.
 

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Good stuff Mitch. A really good read. I figured you'd come up with something inspirational. Thanks.

The one comment I have is that when we traded down 6 spots with the Giants, a number of potential players went in that 6 slots. One was C/G Barrett Jones, whom I have to wonder if he was the real target. Also in those players were 3 QBs including Tyler Wilson, and S Shamarko Thomas from Syracuse. So it is possible that we did lose a target player in that particular trade down. So it will be interesting to see how the players that we got in that trade down, Watford and Ellington, fare.
 

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Good stuff Mitch. A really good read. I figured you'd come up with something inspirational. Thanks.

The one comment I have is that when we traded down 6 spots with the Giants, a number of potential players went in that 6 slots. One was C/G Barrett Jones, whom I have to wonder if he was the real target. Also in those players were 3 QBs including Tyler Wilson, and S Shamarko Thomas from Syracuse. So it is possible that we did lose a target player in that particular trade down. So it will be interesting to see how the players that we got in that trade down, Watford and Ellington, fare.

Yeah i have to disagree here. None of the players you named follow the prototype og players Keim and Arians value at OL, QB, and S. In fact I would go as far as to say they are all "name" guys and after doing the research think we did just as well if not better with the guys we grabbed later. And I am very happy we went Watfrod and Ellington with those extra picks.

Was a masterful draft and Im not sure they missed on any players as they seem tohave rated guys differently then the rest of the league and for their system.
 
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Good stuff Mitch. A really good read. I figured you'd come up with something inspirational. Thanks.

The one comment I have is that when we traded down 6 spots with the Giants, a number of potential players went in that 6 slots. One was C/G Barrett Jones, whom I have to wonder if he was the real target. Also in those players were 3 QBs including Tyler Wilson, and S Shamarko Thomas from Syracuse. So it is possible that we did lose a target player in that particular trade down. So it will be interesting to see how the players that we got in that trade down, Watford and Ellington, fare.

I got that feeling too while the picks were happening, but after the draft it was clear that BA&SK were totally in love with Earl Watford...so much so, in fact, that they didn't want to risk waiting until the 5th round pick.
 

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Yeah i have to disagree here. None of the players you named follow the prototype og players Keim and Arians value at OL, QB, and S. In fact I would go as far as to say they are all "name" guys and after doing the research think we did just as well if not better with the guys we grabbed later. And I am very happy we went Watfrod and Ellington with those extra picks.

Was a masterful draft and Im not sure they missed on any players as they seem tohave rated guys differently then the rest of the league and for their system.

I would have to agree - I am happy with the outcome, too - because we got two players for one. And I like Ellington a lot. I have become a big Clemson fan the last two years. And we do like our small college guys right around the 4th round - which Watford falls into. It appears we had no interest in QBs as well. But I still wonder about Jones and Thomas. Not complaining, just wondering.
 

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Good stuff Mitch! What about Safety though? Is Rashad Johnson ready to take over at SS? Who is his backup? Are BA&SK comfortable with what we have at both FS and SS and if so should they be? Can Honey Badger play FS? What about Kerry Rhodes? I wonder if they are considering re-signing him?
 

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Good stuff Mitch! What about Safety though? Is Rashad Johnson ready to take over at SS? Who is his backup? Are BA&SK comfortable with what we have at both FS and SS and if so should they be? Can Honey Badger play FS? What about Kerry Rhodes? I wonder if they are considering re-signing him?

Bell is the SS.

I would imagine Bethel will be added to the mix.

Badger will probably be a rover of sorts, not a traditional FS (imo)
 
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Good stuff Mitch! What about Safety though? Is Rashad Johnson ready to take over at SS? Who is his backup? Are BA&SK comfortable with what we have at both FS and SS and if so should they be? Can Honey Badger play FS? What about Kerry Rhodes? I wonder if they are considering re-signing him?

Here's what I think, BigRedArk:

Starters:

FS---Johnson
SS---Bell

Nickel:

FS---Johnson
FS---Mathieu
NC---Powers
LC---Peterson
RC---Cason

and at time I think they will invert Mathieu and Powers

Dime:

FS---Johnson
IC---Powers
IC---Mathieu
OC---Peterson
OC---Cason

The Wild Card here is Tony Jefferson---he can factor in as a sub package FS which will give TB more flexibility in how he moves Mathieu around. Jefferson was a very good nickel CB in sub packages for Oklahoma, so he's versatile as well.

In time, Mathieu may beat out Rashad Johnson as the starting and base FS---but I don't think there's a rush just yet for that to happen.

As for Kerry Rhodes---no. They and he have moved on.
 
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Bell is the SS.

I would imagine Bethel will be added to the mix.

Badger will probably be a rover of sorts, not a traditional FS (imo)

I hope they move Bethel to SS and groom him to be the eventual starter. Yeremiah Bell is a perfect mentor---and I think Bell will stick for another year beyond this one, on another one year contract. Yeremiah Bell is a dang good player---wait until people see.

Badger as a rover is right on the money.
 

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Here's what I think, BigRedArk:

Starters:

FS---Johnson
SS---Bell

Nickel:

FS---Johnson
FS---Mathieu
NC---Powers
LC---Peterson
RC---Cason

and at time I think they will invert Mathieu and Powers

Dime:

FS---Johnson
IC---Powers
IC---Mathieu
OC---Peterson
OC---Cason

The Wild Card here is Tony Jefferson---he can factor in as a sub package FS which will give TB more flexibility in how he moves Mathieu around. Jefferson was a very good nickel CB in sub packages for Oklahoma, so he's versatile as well.

In time, Mathieu may beat out Rashad Johnson as the starting and base FS---but I don't think there's a rush just yet for that to happen.

As for Kerry Rhodes---no. They and he have moved on.

Interesting stuff there Mitch. It will be interesting to see how our Defensive Backfield develops this year.

I don't know how I got the idea Johnson was a SS?:)
 
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Interesting stuff there Mitch. It will be interesting to see how our Defensive Backfield develops this year.

I don't know how I got the idea Johnson was a SS?:)

MJ keeps calling Johnson the SS, so you might have heard it from him---but Yeremiah Bell is the SS. Strong safety is Bell's starting spot. Johnson always played FS when he came in for Kerry Rhodes and Johnson was always one of the deep cover safeties in the nickel. That's his position.
 

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I'm 30 born and raised here been a cardinal fan as long as I can remember and I have never felt more positive energy coming from this team. Never felt more optimistic as a fan about the direction this team is headed. Michael is clearly not his old man and had shown that he wants to put a quality product out there.

I am just very happy right now with what I see going on, a cardinals off season with no complaints wtf well thanks to sarver I still got the suns to complain about.

Well put.

I agree. Taking all facts, figures, etc., etc. out of the equation.

Just the vibe coming from this team is very positive. I know the organization doesn't want to say it is rebuilding but it is.

That is NOT A BAD THING. Especially when you see the organization building the roster the right way.

They have invested in both the offensive and defensive lines and invested well.

5 good offensive line prospects in 2 years of drafting.

The current defensive line is well stocked with NFL starting, and depth talent.

And this regime had a good draft, and have already signed some UDFA's that could help the team as well at needed positions.

Again, next year will be tough but I feel they will compete and improve.

Very, very, very positive.
 

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Interesting stuff there Mitch. It will be interesting to see how our Defensive Backfield develops this year.

I don't know how I got the idea Johnson was a SS?:)

+1.

I believe Johnson has played both positions, but I agree he is a FS for this current coaching staff.
 

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Mitch what`s your take on the other UDA`s?
Korey Jones LB
Dan Giordano DE-LB
Jamal Johnson-Webb G-T
Matt Summers-Gavin T-G
Joe Caprioglio T-G
Jaron Brown WR
Javone Dawson WR
Prentiss Waggner CB-S
Javon Harris DB
Dan Buckner WR
Padric Scott DT-DE
Ronnie Yell CB


Summers_Gavin T-G was rated mid round by nfl.com

Could a few of these guys have a shot at the final roster ?
Several at least could be PS guys for development IMHO.
 
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Mitch what`s your take on the other UDA`s?
Korey Jones LB
Dan Giordano DE-LB
Jamal Johnson-Webb G-T
Matt Summers-Gavin T-G
Joe Caprioglio T-G
Jaron Brown WR
Javone Dawson WR
Prentiss Waggner CB-S
Javon Harris DB
Dan Buckner WR
Padric Scott DT-DE
Ronnie Yell CB


Summers_Gavin T-G was rated mid round by nfl.com

Could a few of these guys have a shot at the final roster ?
Several at least could be PS guys for development IMHO.

If you go back through this thread I have posted links for most of these players.

There's some real talent in this group.

I actually think a couple of these guys or more could make the roster. The ones that stand out to me are T Johnson-Webb, S Jefferson, G/T Summers-Gavin, WR Dawson and NT/DE Scott.
 
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I'll tell you what Watford has a ton of desirable traits.

His feet seem outstanding. If you saw the combine, and they have it condensed on that draft video, http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/0ap2000000153401/2013-Combine-workout-Earl-Watford, it shows his outstanding feet. He's pretty fluid. More fluid than a lot of the tackles. I can see him playing there perhaps. He has the athleticism to be an emergency type guy and perhaps something more later. That said he's a guard and if you watch that video he was keeping up in lateral movements to Eric Fisher's moves who is graded out to be a very athletic tackle.

What I also like is Watford's strength. I remember when watching the combine seeing some guy pushing Warmack back in these attacking drills. A couple did. Watford was one of them, and I believe the most pronounced push back. So I feel this guy has strength and good feet, which in any round is what you want out of a guard pick. I also suspect we really want our guards pulling and bashing people on the 2nd level.

Maybe BASK wanted Schwenke. Maybe they had someone else in mind. Or maybe this was their guy. Either way because they stuck to their board, they at worst pivoted to this guy with such desirable attributes. But it wouldn't surprise me that he was their guy. He fits everything we think they are trying to do.

I can definitely see the traits they liked about him. He has to make the leap from small school to NFL, but physically, he has the tools that good guards have.

I have a feeling this guy has a good chance to be a steal.

Funny enough McShay in his judgements said this is our most questionable pick, but it's splitting hairs as we really didn't have a bad pick and its the 5th round.

I think he's wrong. This to me is a very underrated pick as the only thing that looks bad about this kid is what school he went to.

I do think Swope will be in the mix at some point (maybe early) on the bubble screens and the like that BA will run. Once you get the ball in someone's hands on those screens, you want them to run hard. Well the kid runs like a rb, because he was a rb. But has turned himself into a helluva receiver.

I think this kid is going to have a role such as that on this team. Over the middle, deep, and screen. I can't wait to see this kid catch one of those bubble screens with Floyd blocking for him.

I won't say much about the running backs, all I know is you need to be able to move the chains before you should worry about having a home run hitter of a rb. I think we got one of those guys. A power back to help us move the chains, pass protect, and can catch. All around power back with more quickness and agility then people expect. Taylor looked like a guy who hit the hole hard on those power plays. Ellington while surprising was a very great value pick who has good talent, just lacked a bit in his 40.

Who knows if they work out, but they definitely have the attributes to. They definitely look like good fits for this team. Looks like we drafted guys we know how to use effectively. I didn't expect to come out of this draft feeling good about our RB core. Now I do. We got two bangers and two shifty backs. If Williams makes something of his career we could have quite the backfield. We'll see though as all we got right now is potential.

Just wanted to chime in about these guys.
 
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I'll tell you what Watford has a ton of desirable traits.

His feet seem outstanding. If you saw the combine, and they have it condensed on that draft video, http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/0ap2000000153401/2013-Combine-workout-Earl-Watford, it shows his outstanding feet. He's pretty fluid. More fluid than a lot of the tackles. I can see him playing there perhaps. He has the athleticism to be an emergency type guy and perhaps something more later. That said he's a guard and if you watch that video he was keeping up in lateral movements to Eric Fisher's moves who is graded out to be a very athletic tackle.

What I also like is Watford's strength. I remember when watching the combine seeing some guy pushing Warmack back in these attacking drills. A couple did. Watford was one of them, and I believe the most pronounced push back. So I feel this guy has strength and good feet, which in any round is what you want out of a guard pick. I also suspect we really want our guards pulling and bashing people on the 2nd level.

Maybe BASK wanted Schwenke. Maybe they had someone else in mind. Or maybe this was their guy. Either way because they stuck to their board, they at worst pivoted to this guy with such desirable attributes. But it wouldn't surprise me that he was their guy. He fits everything we think they are trying to do.

I can definitely see the traits they liked about him. He has to make the leap from small school to NFL, but physically, he has the tools that good guards have.

I have a feeling this guy has a good chance to be a steal.

Funny enough McShay in his judgements said this is our most questionable pick, but it's splitting hairs as we really didn't have a bad pick and its the 5th round.

I think he's wrong. This to me is a very underrated pick as the only thing that looks bad about this kid is what school he went to.

I do think Swope will be in the mix at some point (maybe early) on the bubble screens and the like that BA will run. Once you get the ball in someone's hands on those screens, you want them to run hard. Well the kid runs like a rb, because he was a rb. But has turned himself into a helluva receiver.

I think this kid is going to have a role such as that on this team. Over the middle, deep, and screen. I can't wait to see this kid catch one of those bubble screens with Floyd blocking for him.

I won't say much about the running backs, all I know is you need to be able to move the chains before you should worry about having a home run hitter of a rb. I think we got one of those guys. A power back to help us move the chains, pass protect, and can catch. All around power back with more quickness and agility then people expect. Taylor looked like a guy who hit the hole hard on those power plays. Ellington while surprising was a very great value pick who has good talent, just lacked a bit in his 40.

Who knows if they work out, but they definitely have the attributes to. They definitely look like good fits for this team. Looks like we drafted guys we know how to use effectively. I didn't expect to come out of this draft feeling good about our RB core. Now I do. We got two bangers and two shifty backs. If Williams makes something of his career we could have quite the backfield. We'll see though as all we got right now is potential.

Just wanted to chime in about these guys.

Excellent chimings, 88!

Check out this draft grade for Steve Keim:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1620402-2013-nfl-draft-grades-report-cards-for-all-32-gms/page/30
 

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I hope they move Bethel to SS and groom him to be the eventual starter. Yeremiah Bell is a perfect mentor---and I think Bell will stick for another year beyond this one, on another one year contract. Yeremiah Bell is a dang good player---wait until people see.

Badger as a rover is right on the money.

A point. It seems to me, given Arians' words on the subject when Powers was signed, that he is the guy penciled in as the CB across from PP21.
 
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A point. It seems to me, given Arians' words on the subject when Powers was signed, that he is the guy penciled in as the CB across from PP21.

Yes, he is.

In the nickel, however, imo, Powers will slide into the slot and Cason will play outside.

The coaches are going to use Cason some in the slot too...and Honey Badger...and even Jamell Fleming if and when he smells the coffee.
 

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Talk is now they would like to fortify the NT position---MJ is predicting a FA signing is imminent---

And...if they can create a little more cap space---there's a dynamic edge pass rusher they would love to sign, who just might be the missing puzzle piece that you find in the back of the couch that completes the picture.

Any ideas about a NT?

I think the other guy your referring to is Dwight Freeney. ;)
 
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