FO should show some Loyalty

[WildBB]

This year. I'm talking continue giving Upton, Young and Bauer the benefit of the doubt.

LaCava brought up a valid point on the radio yesterday. It just might not the D-Backs year this season. Therefor a little FO layalty is likely to pay some bigger dividends down the line instead of going into panic mode in a sense that we really need to act NOW. That's a temptation that may not pay dividends down the road. Act with some loyalty to your players and it rubs off on more than you can see now.

This team is young, stand pat. It can pay off on it's own. Possibly not this year however. That may have to be accepted to make a legitimate advancement.

 

[PDXChris]

Anyone who has given up on Bauer is crazy. Upton, I am on the fence with as he is starting to resemble his brother, peaked early and then continues to regress. As far as Young, they could cut him today and I would be fine with it. He have too many guys in the minors ready to show what they can do in the OF.

Next year I would like to see the chapters closed on Young and Drew, but I can live with giving Upton the remainder of his contract.

 

[WildBB]

Anyone who has given up on Bauer is crazy. Upton, I am on the fence with as he is starting to resemble his brother, peaked early and then continues to regress. As far as Young, they could cut him today and I would be fine with it. He have too many guys in the minors ready to show what they can do in the OF.

Next year I would like to see the chapters closed on Young and Drew, but I can live with giving Upton the remainder of his contract.

I'm not talking about giving up on Bauer in the sense of a trade. I'm talking in his case not to send him back down to the minors. Unless he totally sucks his next start and possibly one thereafter. But he won't learn any more back in the minors. Let him take his knocks now, this season in the bigs it'll pay off big time.

Yeah give Pollock and Eaton some shots, they're not everyday players yet, imo. The only way I'd move CY is if you get a legit 3B or SS candidate to start next yr. Possible, Not likely.

 

[Gaddabout]

Chris Young is 29. He's a career .239 hitter and probably gets you 25/20 for another 3 or 4 years, but he will do it at a 2.5-to-1 K/BB ratio. He is what he is. He has no intrinsic trade value because next year he gets $8.5 mil and $11 mil in 2014.

I believe his buyout is $1.5 mil. I believe the team will show him to waivers at the end of the season if he's still with the team by then.

 

[Gaddabout]

This year. I'm talking continue giving Upton, Young and Bauer the benefit of the doubt.

LaCava brought up a valid point on the radio yesterday. It just might not the D-Backs year this season. Therefor a little FO layalty is likely to pay some bigger dividends down the line instead of going into panic mode in a sense that we really need to act NOW. That's a temptation that may not pay dividends down the road. Act with some loyalty to your players and it rubs off on more than you can see now.

This team is young, stand pat. It can pay off on it's own. Possibly not this year however. That may have to be accepted to make a legitimate advancement.

There's a total disconnect in your logic. There is no "likely" in that scenario. It's a gamble either way. You go with the direction you think is the lesser gamble. Upton is looking much more like a bigger gamble keeping him.

FWIW, I think if you keep him and he continues his slide, it's like committing to a broken leg. Not only do you end up with a hole in the vital part of your lineup, you give yourself no chance at getting another everyday player in a trade because his trade value is dropping. This is probably the last year you can say, "Well, he's still young." In baseball, a trend is a trend until you show something else, and trends are not often wrong.

 

[WildBB]

There's a total disconnect in your logic. There is no "likely" in that scenario. It's a gamble either way. You go with the direction you think is the lesser gamble. Upton is looking much more like a bigger gamble keeping him.FWIW, I think if you keep him and he continues his slide, it's like committing to a broken leg. Not only do you end up with a hole in the vital part of your lineup, you give yourself no chance at getting another everyday player in a trade because his trade value is dropping. This is probably the last year you can say, "Well, he's still young." In baseball, a trend is a trend until you show something else, and trends are not often wrong.

Respectfully disagree. IF by this time next year the team is in the same holding pattern, then definately move him. You'll still should get two good prospects for him. Will you get any better this year? I think that's what the FO is holding out to see. If they're getting 3 legit starting players/prospect, then you could see a trade. And it would have a lot of support. It would have to be like the Rangers trading Texiera, those kinds of players back. Otherwise, if it's just for two players, I'd pass. One could be totally average, then you'r basically swapping a potential star for one every day regular.

I'd wait until next year to do that. If this team hasn't turned things around by then.

And what will he be next yr? 25?! B/D. He'll be in his prime for five yrs. and working on his next deal.

 

[BC867]

With 38 RBI's (with a career high of only 88) and a slugging % of .395 in this, more than halfway through his fifth full year, how much longer do we have to wait?

It is what it is! Plus the hotdog plays in RF and overthrowing his cutoff man. And still attacking the dugout because of his own incompetence.

Perhaps if his brother weren't the same disappointment, we could have hope.

I am not judging Justin by B.J. I'm judging our (former) #3 hitter in the heart of the batting order by the 38 RBI's and .395 slugging % as the only player who Gibson gave a set spot and in the "star's" spot in the lineup. And he failed.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Nobody is giving up on Bauer... and certainly, sending him back down to Reno is NOT giving up on the kid at all! There is no other way to look at his stint in the bigs other than a clear sign the kid isn't ready. Period. Hopefully, someone can get into his head and convince him that he doesn't have all the answers... He better learn how to throw strikes - often, or, he won't be spending too much time in the majors not only for the D-Backs, but for any other team!

With regard to the rest of the team...

- Upton: Trade him now only if you can snag a high-quality SS or 3B, and another starter caliber talent. Otherwise, you hold and see what next season brings... But suffice to say, his career in the majors thus far has been a disappointment. 2 good seasons and 3 sub-par to crappy seasons... for a kid with all-world talent. Sad...

- Young: Rid yourself of this cancer... NOW!

- Drew: Need to move him now as he will walk next year...Should try to get something, anything in return before he walks...


That's it. Any other move(s) would be meaningless.

 

[WildBB]

- Young: Rid yourself of this cancer... NOW!

How do you really feel? - jk. If I remember right who did anything good at all in last years playoffs? Gez it was Goldy and Young.

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[Gaddabout]

Respectfully disagree. IF by this time next year the team is in the same holding pattern, then definately move him. You'll still should get two good prospects for him. Will you get any better this year? I think that's what the FO is holding out to see. If they're getting 3 legit starting players/prospect, then you could see a trade. And it would have a lot of support. It would have to be like the Rangers trading Texiera, those kinds of players back. Otherwise, if it's just for two players, I'd pass. One could be totally average, then you'r basically swapping a potential star for one every day regular.

I'd wait until next year to do that. If this team hasn't turned things around by then.

And what will he be next yr? 25?! B/D. He'll be in his prime for five yrs. and working on his next deal.

He's less attractive with only 1.5 years left on his deal than 2.5. He's going to want to get paid and his current numbers show he's one of the least productive starting right fielders in baseball.

Upton is NEVER, EVER, EVER going to bring the windfall Teixeira brought for the Rangers. The year before Teixeira was traded, he hit .301 with 43HRs and 144 RBIs. He was hitting .297 with 13HRs and 49 RBIs in 78 games when he was traded to Atlanta. Teixeira actually had a similar rookie year to Upton in 2003 when he hit .259 with 26 HRs and 84 RBIs. Unlike Upton, Teixeira actually had an upward arc to his career.

If you can get two legitimate everyday prospects for Upton, you pull that trigger and don't think twice. Period. Exclamation point.

 

[Homer Simpson]

A ton of points to argue here, but I think this article sums up why you don't trade Justin Upton.

.216 / .330 / .392
9 HR
35 RBI
in 70 second half games

as his Pirates - the he was supposed to lead - fell from first place in July to yet another 90 loss season. There were accusations of laziness. Think the Pirates are glad they waited a bit longer for the 24 year old to develop? Let's be honest, if we followed the Pirates, many here would probably be calling for a trade, not an extension, during the offseason.

Nobody the D-backs could get has any chance of doing what McCutchen is doing. They have somebody who could now.

BTW, Upton has 3.5 years left on his deal. In a year, it will be 2.5.

 

[Matt L]

Huh?

 

[Gaddabout]

Huh?

"Drink more Ovaltine? Awwwwwwww!"

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