For those against the Sexson trade

[Lefty]

I have read many posts on people who did not like the Sexson trade. I for one liked the trade. Sexson brings something to the Diamondbacks that they have been lacking, a legitimate power hitter.

I looked at what the former Diamondbacks in the Sexson trade have been doing so far and they have not done much.

Counsell is batting 244. Spivey is at 255. Overbay is hitting 218. Moeller is at 207. Capuano is 1-2 with a 3.46 ERA.

Overbay is going to be one of those guys who had great numbers in the minors but could not take it to the next level. I think being a first baseman with not too much power is a minus for Lyle.

 

[schillingfan]

I love Richie Sexson, I have him on both my fantasy teams.

What will tell the tale of this trade is if they are able to keep him after this year.

You can't measure the trade by this year's numbers because the D-Backs will be lucky to make the playoffs (sorry) so having one year of Sexson will not make that much difference when offsetting the loss of Schilling.

But the guys traded to the Brewers will have several years, and do not forget the Red Sox guy De La Rosa, who is supposed to be a real prospect.

My biggest concern was that the D-Backs would not be able to pay Sexson after this year, given the numbers JC was throwing out. However, assuming the new investors allow a bigger payroll, that may not be an issue (though one wonders if they could have therefore kept Schilling). But if Sexson goes elsewhere, then that was a lot of expensive players to give up for one year of a guy (when your team is not on the brink of winning a world series).

 

[boondockdrunk]

I have read many posts on people who did not like the Sexson trade. I for one liked the trade. Sexson brings something to the Diamondbacks that they have been lacking, a legitimate power hitter.

I looked at what the former Diamondbacks in the Sexson trade have been doing so far and they have not done much.

Counsell is batting 244. Spivey is at 255. Overbay is hitting 218. Moeller is at 207. Capuano is 1-2 with a 3.46 ERA.

Overbay is going to be one of those guys who had great numbers in the minors but could not take it to the next level. I think being a first baseman with not too much power is a minus for Lyle.

You forgot another thing. Sexson is by far a better defensive player than Overbay. So that is another plus. Overbay and spivey will be average at most. Plus we didnt lose alot of money in the deal. So that helps our team in the long run. Capuano and De la Rosa were the only players that might amount to anything. And De La Rosa's ceiling is a 3rd starter. Capuano is a back of the rotation guy. How can anyone be against this trade?

 

[Lefty]

You forgot another thing. Sexson is by far a better defensive player than Overbay. So that is another plus. Overbay and spivey will be average at most. Plus we didnt lose alot of money in the deal. So that helps our team in the long run. Capuano and De la Rosa were the only players that might amount to anything. And De La Rosa's ceiling is a 3rd starter. Capuano is a back of the rotation guy. How can anyone be against this trade?

De La Rosa was the one guy I wanted instead of Fossum. The Red Sox were very high on Fossum that they nixed a trade for Bartolo Colon last year. I would like to see Brenley give Fossum a shot as a starter when he comes back.

 

[AZZenny]

"Counsell is batting 244. Spivey is at 255. Overbay is hitting 218. Moeller is at 207. Capuano is 1-2 with a 3.46 ERA."

Just because I'm feeling exceptionally cranky this evening (thenkyew, Mr.Mantei) let me offer another slant:

Counsell .244 - Kata .250 or Hillenbrand .189, your pick or split the diff.
Spivey .255. Alomar .206.
Overbay .218. Sexson .229 (I am very pro-Richie, btw. I think over the long haul he'll be great.)
Moeller .207. Mayne .259.
Capuano 1-2, 3.46 ERA. Daigle 0-1, 18.90 ERA or Sparks 0-1 7.24 ERA, your choice.

Now I'm guessing if we looked at numbers such as OBP or OPS - we'd still find little or no benefit to the DBacks from the trade. And when you also factor in that Schilling had to be shed to make salary room for Sexson, we lose.

 

[RLakin]

"Counsell is batting 244. Spivey is at 255. Overbay is hitting 218. Moeller is at 207. Capuano is 1-2 with a 3.46 ERA."

Just because I'm feeling exceptionally cranky this evening (thenkyew, Mr.Mantei) let me offer another slant:

Counsell .244 - Kata .250 or Hillenbrand .189, your pick or split the diff.
Spivey .255. Alomar .206.
Overbay .218. Sexson .229 (I am very pro-Richie, btw. I think over the long haul he'll be great.)
Moeller .207. Mayne .259.
Capuano 1-2, 3.46 ERA. Daigle 0-1, 18.90 ERA or Sparks 0-1 7.24 ERA, your choice.

Now I'm guessing if we looked at numbers such as OBP or OPS - we'd still find little or no benefit to the DBacks from the trade. And when you also factor in that Schilling had to be shed to make salary room for Sexson, we lose.

Basing an argument on batting average is overrated on most days, let alone three weeks into the season.
There’s no question Sexson is as good as advertised, possibly better. The argument was never whether he was better than Counsell, Spivey etc. or even whether he was worth the sum of all those parts. The question is should the D-Backs tie $10 million plus longterm into a position where affordable power can be easily found and (w/ the budgetary issues) at the expense of starting pitching. It’s become quite clear that the Diamondbacks have done a 180. By doing so are they really any better with Sexson and a bad pitching staff than they are w/ Schilling and a terrible lineup. I’d say no.
The answer is somewhere in the middle. It’s what Oakland and some others are doing. Maximize your hitting and invest in good pitching and good hitters who play good defense. Sexson fits the latter, but 1st base is hardly a defensive priority. That said, I still totally disagree with the trade and, thus, the direction of this team.

 

[Djaughe]

....It’s what Oakland and some others are doing. Maximize your hitting and invest in good pitching and good hitters who play good defense. Sexson fits the latter, but 1st base is hardly a defensive priority. That said, I still totally disagree with the trade and, thus, the direction of this team.

I agree pitching wins games - but its obvious they mortgaged the future when winning the W.S. and know we are seeing the results.

I also think the d-backs were counting alot more on their current stable of pitchers to be productive. If mantai hadn't blown 2 saves - the picture would be alot different.

Its easy to use oakland as a role model - they got a great pitching staff locked up for a minimum of 3 more years and most are fairly young in baseball standards. Their hitters are good enough to win games.

Investing in shilling is no guarantee he would even be around to see the end of his contract. The D-Backs made a decent trade and is counting on their youth to keep them into contention - well see in 4 years how history judges this trade.