Franchise took a big step back today

[Solar7]

Considering there are only 32 of those jobs and very few open every year I'd say that far outweighs the negatives.

There's 32 NFL Head Coaching jobs and we're barely a year removed from being turned down by Mike Munchak for a second interview.

It's not as crazy as you think. Not everyone is jonesing for the opportunity to uproot their family and life to go be put in a position to scuttle their career. Jerry Reese just declined Oakland for their position in 2018. Reggie McKenzie the Packers. George Paton the Jets this year (and in 2013 and 2015).

It's not crazy to think a GM is going to want to craft the team in his image in the two spots where it arguably matters the most.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I think K9 mentioned Sashi Brown. I really liked that one.

 

[BW52]

Jay Novacek before he went to the Cowboys

Novacek wasn`t a huge factor while with the Cards.He didn`t turn into a Pro Bowl type player till he got to Dallas.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

So why do football players hold up four fingers when the third quarter ends but do not do that for any other quarter?

Ah that seals it. Fingers.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

The fourth Q matters most to close out a win or to steal a win from the team in the lead.

Garbage time is a reference to stats that are accrued when a defense is enabling the offense to complete easy passes to keep the clock running and speed up the end of the game.

Sorry, epic fail.

 

[sdscard4]

Winless team with nothing in the trenches, practically devoid of young talent, no starting LT, no starting RT, one starting OLB, a head coach who hasn't shown he can win anywhere...

Yes, a "dream job!"

No young talent? You kidding me? Just posting nonsense in order to trash the team.

 

[Chopper0080]

Sorry, epic fail.

ok...legitimate question.

If you are down by 16 with 9 minutes left in the 4th Q, rack up a bunch of stats, but do not score a point and lose by 16, is that garbage time?

If you are down by 16 with 9 minutes left in the 4th Q, rack up a bunch of stats, but only score 8 and lose by 8, is that garbage time?

I am struggling because the argument is that the perception of the stats accrued are dependent upon the outcome of the drive. If you throw for 135 yards and score no TDs, those are garbage time stats. If you throw for 135 yards and score two TDs, they are not. And if that is the case, did the success of our final 2pt conversion determine if the stats accumulated between down 16 and that moment equate to garbage or non-garbage.

 

[Solar7]

No young talent? You kidding me? Just posting nonsense in order to trash the team.

Given that the jury is still out on this year's draft class and we've only played three games, name me the starters on this team age 25 or younger that aren't part of the 2019 class.

Never mind, I'll do it for you.

Christian Kirk
Budda Baker
DJ Humphries
Haason Reddick
Zane Gonzalez

One guy on that list who might be a star, one guy who is alright, two guys who we would actively replace if we could, and a kicker on his second team who got cut after one of the worst kicking seasons for any player ever.

Hooray, tons of young talent!

Not to mention our draft class of 11 guys has given us three starters, but two wouldn't be starting if it weren't for guys committing crimes, taking PEDs, or breaking their legs.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

ok...legitimate question.

If you are down by 16 with 9 minutes left in the 4th Q, rack up a bunch of stats, but do not score a point and lose by 16, is that garbage time?

If you are down by 16 with 9 minutes left in the 4th Q, rack up a bunch of stats, but only score 8 and lose by 8, is that garbage time?

I am struggling because the argument is that the perception of the stats accrued are dependent upon the outcome of the drive. If you throw for 135 yards and score no TDs, those are garbage time stats. If you throw for 135 yards and score two TDs, they are not. And if that is the case, did the success of our final 2pt conversion determine if the stats accumulated between down 16 and that moment equate to garbage or non-garbage.

Except neither scenario describes what happened. They were down by 18 and got all the way back into a tie.

You are also ignoring evidence both from their coaches mouth and by football analysts that have both stated that the Lions didn't go into any form of prevent defense in that 4th quarter.

They were playing press man with some off man coverage mixed in for the entire game to include the 4th quarter. I mean I am literally watching the coaches film right now and it is blatantly obvious.

 

[unseenaz]

I think K9 mentioned Sashi Brown. I really liked that one.

the baseball guy turned NFL guy turned NBA guy?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Missing the point. I'm saying that the other teams in the general vicinity of the draft, even QB needy teams (Giants, maybe Raiders), weren't all that interested in taking him. Kliff has a man crush on the kid and he wasn't considered a 1st rounder until reasonably late in the process. It's not like he was the #1 overall consensus choice for months or years like an Andrew Luck or even Jameis Winston.

To be fair, he wasn't considered a 1st round talent because of baseball.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

It's not crazy to think a GM is going to want to craft the team in his image in the two spots where it arguably matters the most.

I completely agree with you here. I think that Keim will be here at least this year and next. The GM is going to get a 1 year pass because of the Kingsbury and Murray. That part saddens me. If we show some improvement towards the end of the year and next. He could be here even longer. *shudder*

 

[Solar7]

To be fair, he wasn't considered a 1st round talent because of baseball.

Not entirely true. Even after he made his decision, there was a lot of discussion about teams taking him in the later rounds. It wasn't until someone dug up Kliff's comments that the 1st round gained steam.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Not entirely true. Even after he made his decision, there was a lot of discussion about teams taking him in the later rounds. It wasn't until someone dug up Kliff's comments that the 1st round gained steam.

Not entirely, I would agree.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

ok...legitimate question.

If you are down by 16 with 9 minutes left in the 4th Q, rack up a bunch of stats, but do not score a point and lose by 16, is that garbage time?

If you are down by 16 with 9 minutes left in the 4th Q, rack up a bunch of stats, but only score 8 and lose by 8, is that garbage time?

I am struggling because the argument is that the perception of the stats accrued are dependent upon the outcome of the drive. If you throw for 135 yards and score no TDs, those are garbage time stats. If you throw for 135 yards and score two TDs, they are not. And if that is the case, did the success of our final 2pt conversion determine if the stats accumulated between down 16 and that moment equate to garbage or non-garbage.

I think literally every sports fan but maybe you would likely agree that “garbage” intrinsically equates to meaningless. If the stats legitimately impacted the state of the game at any time, much less materially changed the outcome of the game as was the case in th lions game, they weren’t worthless. In fact they would be just TE opposite. But for those stats the cards would be 0-3. So how can they ever possibly be considered “garbage?”

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Not entirely true. Even after he made his decision, there was a lot of discussion about teams taking him in the later rounds. It wasn't until someone dug up Kliff's comments that the 1st round gained steam.

I don’t have this recollection at all. Not even a little.

 

[Solar7]

I don’t have this recollection at all. Not even a little.

I have three draft magazines that are post-combine that don't have him in the first, or in the top two QBs.

Here's Walter Football talking about Round 2 from scouts: http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2019KMurray.php

One without mentioning the Cardinals at 1, instead saying 6 or 7: https://www.fanduel.com/theduel/pos...-projection-scouting-report-and-draft-profile

Check out this timeline from SI.com: https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/05/05/k...m-baseball-oakland-athletics-oklahoma-heisman

I'm not going to search for more than the three examples, but it wasn't like every team was saying "if he just declares he'll be the top pick and everyone loves him."

 

[Chopper0080]

I think literally every sports fan but maybe you would likely agree that “garbage” intrinsically equates to meaningless. If the stats legitimately impacted the state of the game at any time, much less materially changed the outcome of the game as was the case in th lions game, they weren’t worthless. In fact they would be just TE opposite. But for those stats the cards would be 0-3. So how can they ever possibly be considered “garbage?”

So, again, I am very curious. If we would have lost that game in regulation, those stats would have been meaningless and therefore garbage time as they ultimately did not impact the result of the game?

 

[Krangodnzr]

lol

Not gonna turn this into a Kyler war, but not every team was poised to take him #1, and if you as a GM didn't believe in him then, well it's going to still take some convincing. If you're part of the front office personnel that said they didn't understand the direction AZ was going, you're probably not going to be any more convinced on the combo unless some wins start happening... and in that case Keim probably isn't gone.

Kind of a weird situation.

Kyler had already demonstrated significant, great characteristics.

There are many GM candidates who would want to be GM of the Cardinals.

 

[Solar7]

Kyler had already demonstrated significant, great characteristics.

There are many GM candidates who would want to be GM of the Cardinals.

Again, we'll see. We said that about our coaching situation after Arians...

 

[Krangodnzr]

Again, we'll see. We said that about our coaching situation after Arians...

Your dislike for Murray biases you against the truth.

Having a QB is the #1 thing good coaching candidates look for.

 

[Chopper0080]

Your dislike for Murray biases you against the truth.

Having a QB is the #1 thing good coaching candidates look for.

I think it has to be considered that Kingsbury and Murray are such a unique and non-conventional pairing that it is likely some GM candidates may not want to tie themselves to them.

 

[Dr. Jones]

the baseball guy turned NFL guy turned NBA guy?

Yeah.... but his spider chart is off the chain!!


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[Solar7]

Your dislike for Murray biases you against the truth.

Having a QB is the #1 thing good coaching candidates look for.

I'm sure, I don't deny that. But GMs tend to look for power over coaching hires and personnel, especially at the QB position. Listen, I'm not saying it's impossible, but basically any GM is going to have his hands tied with this duo for at least a year, if not more.

 

[Outerlimits]

Your dislike for Murray biases you against the truth.

Having a QB is the #1 thing good coaching candidates look for.

I think the jury is still out on whether we have a long term QB. The first three games show some optimism, but let's see how he progresses throughout the season.