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1. Forget about DE/DT Vonnie Holliday. Why are the Cardinals letting him keep the team in limbo when he's clearly trying to use the Cardinal offer as leverage in signing somewhere else? The guy is coming off injuries and he's not a consistent pass rusher. Time to look elsewhere.

2. The Cardinals are not pursuing DE Chike Okeafor because of Okeafor's back problems. Seems wise.

3. Forget about RB Emmitt Smith. While I was very much in favor of signing Smith last week, two things have happened since that make me interested in going in a different direction: (A) The Cardinals offered Smith as good an offer as he is going to get, but Smith is not jumping at it...which is fine...but that tells me he's not convinced he wants to play in Arizona; (B) Junior Seau has become available and Seau would be a better pickup than Smith because his energy could totally revitalize the Cardinal defense. The Smith signing could very well put the Cardinals in the similarly awkward position of having to start a player who may not be the best player on the team at his position...and we all know the Cardinals HAVE to stop doing that. I thought it was a GREAT move on Mac's part to tell Jeff Blake that he is going to compete for the QB job with Josh McCown. The same statement should be made to ANY free agent signee. Smith wouldn't be able to handle being relegated to second string, especially not with the Cardinals. Thus, what once appeared to be a PR boon may turn out to be a PR nightmare. Smith isn't sure what he wants to do. Let him ponder his options elsewhere.

(4) Great post by Jason this morning on the WR situation. Right on, Jason. Want to understand why the Cardinals are only offering MarTay Jenkins $1M a year? Look at it this way. Is Kevin Kasper just as good or even better than MarTay? The Cardinals must think so. One thing that impressed me most about Kasper last year was his consistency . He ran super hard and well on every kickoff. And he made good clutch plays at wide receiver, game in and game out. MarTay has been inconsistent and he certainly has not established himself as a starting WR. That isn't to deny Jenkins' excellent potential...but, he will only deserve the money he's looking for when he emerges as a relaible and consistently productive starter.

The Cardinals should add a veteran WR into the mix. Should be interesting to see who the Cardinals add. They made a last ditch effort to sign Ricky Proehl. Who will they go after next? It would appear certain too that they will select a WR at some point in the draft.
 

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I'm starting to come around on the current youth movement at Wide Receiver. With Kasper, McAddley, and Gilmore we have the makings of a decent corp of receivers. If I were to bet on who would be the starters as of right now, Kasper and McAddley would be my bet. Gilmore has never done anything as a receiver to impress, though he is a damn good gunner on punts.

I would like for us to add a prospect in the round 2-3 area for Sullivan to work with, and to give us one more prospect thus more chance of this youth movement working (strength in numbers).
 

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Unless Sullivan is an absolute miracle worker, I think we're begging to go 3-13 by walking into the season with McAddley and Kasper starting.

The love-fest around Kasper confuses me. Sure, he's a nice hardworking player, a 4th WR type. But in no way is this guy prepared to start in this league. And he averaged about 20 yards a kick return with a long of 40 last year, a year in which 2 teams cut him in 6 weeks. The fact that people keep talking up how good this guy looked is a good indication of how horrible things were by the end of last season.
 

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Originally posted by Ed B
Unless Sullivan is an absolute miracle worker, I think we're begging to go 3-13 by walking into the season with McAddley and Kasper starting.

The love-fest around Kasper confuses me. Sure, he's a nice hardworking player, a 4th WR type. But in no way is this guy prepared to start in this league. And he averaged about 20 yards a kick return with a long of 40 last year, a year in which 2 teams cut him in 6 weeks. The fact that people keep talking up how good this guy looked is a good indication of how horrible things were by the end of last season.

You might be dead on Ed.

That's why I still think we must grab a prospect on the first day that has potential to be an elite receiver.
 

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If the Cardinals go 3-13 or worse next season wide receiver will only be part of the problem. I'm far more troubled by the defense or lack thereof. Frankly at this point I do not want Jenkins back. We are probably over excited about Kasper, but at least he can catch the ball most of the time. I do think we need to re-sign Frank Sanders (I know his hands aren't much better) or another descent free agent receiver to play with McCadley, Kasper, and Gilmore.

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I believe Crowell or Qadry Ismail are available, who else is out there right now?? I think the Cards will wait to June 1st to address the WR corp
 

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Originally posted by Walter Mitchell

(4) Great post by Jason this morning on the WR situation. Right on, Jason. Want to understand why the Cardinals are only offering MarTay Jenkins $1M a year? Look at it this way. Is Kevin Kasper just as good or even better than MarTay? The Cardinals must think so. One thing that impressed me most about Kasper last year was his consistency . He ran super hard and well on every kickoff. And he made good clutch plays at wide receiver, game in and game out. MarTay has been inconsistent and he certainly has not established himself as a starting WR. That isn't to deny Jenkins' excellent potential...but, he will only deserve the money he's looking for when he emerges as a relaible and consistently productive starter.


I made note in another thread that Kasper is a younger faster tougher better Frank Sanders.

He came on super fast with very little training. True he bounced around a lot before comming here but he seems attached to Jerry at the hip and he's got all kinds of heart. Seems to be a possession big catch type of reciever.

I like Gilmore, McCadley and Kasper they will be fine as the #1 unit with a QB that hits them in stride, one more training camp with tons of reps since they will be higher on the depth chart and I don't worry about WR that much at all especially since we are featuring a power running game.
 

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I agree about the WR's. Just add a solid vet and I'm happy.

The young guys are fast learners and will succed.
 

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I saw a ton of talent in McCadley, he should be a very solid #2.

I loved the way Kasper played but he wont be anything better than a #3 IMO.

That doesnt mean he cant help the team. I think he could be a very good #3 and special teamer. Those are very important roles.

We NEED to add a VETERAN WR, but he needs to be a guy that can play the #1 spot...
 

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Kasper is a depth guy at best. If anyone in this group has the talent to be a #1 it's mcaddley.

Gilmore sucks in my opinion. Before the injury, he was just a track guy running around out there. I can understand the optimism in Poole, Kasper, and McAddley but Gilmore showed nothing. I don't know why people are suddenly recalling him as a great prospect.
 

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Originally posted by Ed B
Kasper is a depth guy at best. If anyone in this group has the talent to be a #1 it's mcaddley.

Gilmore sucks in my opinion. Before the injury, he was just a track guy running around out there. I can understand the optimism in Poole, Kasper, and McAddley but Gilmore showed nothing. I don't know why people are suddenly recalling him as a great prospect.

I agree totally.

If I'm putting my money on which of our current top three will make it, I'd put my money on McAddley and Kasper. Gilmore has played well as a gunner, and that's about it. He has only one career reception, and has been cut 3 (?) times.

McAddley looks, at least to me, like the makings of a solid #2. Kasper has the look of a solid #3. We need to bring in another young receiver that could develop into at least a #2 receiver.
 

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poole seems to be a few notches below the other three..Personally, I have seen him (poole) at and in preseason games training camp for I believe 2 seasons and I was very impressed..but he was at home teaching or something in north carolina when we called him up about midseason..gilmore and mcaddley beat him out for spots on the early season roster...and kasper was in denver or seattle early in the season...
 

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Originally posted by Ed B
Kasper is a depth guy at best. If anyone in this group has the talent to be a #1 it's mcaddley.

Gilmore sucks in my opinion. Before the injury, he was just a track guy running around out there. I can understand the optimism in Poole, Kasper, and McAddley but Gilmore showed nothing. I don't know why people are suddenly recalling him as a great prospect.

I disagree with your assesment of Bryan Gilmore. He didn't get a chance to play until the week before he injured his leg at SF.

In preseason, he demonstrated that he could get open in a number of ways...be it deep or on a slant. He also has the courage to go over the middle. Remember the slant he caught during the preseason game at San Diego? He took it the distance for a TD. He also caught a bomb from Chris Greisen for a TD against Green Bay, but it was called back because of a hold. He also had a huge scrimmage in Flagstaff.

I know all of the above was in preseason, but I saw some signs. The key for me, however, is that Jerry Sullivan raves about him. Sullivan does not rave about many people. If Jerry believes in him, so do I.
 

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Originally posted by Ed B
Unless Sullivan is an absolute miracle worker, I think we're begging to go 3-13 by walking into the season with McAddley and Kasper starting.

The love-fest around Kasper confuses me. Sure, he's a nice hardworking player, a 4th WR type. But in no way is this guy prepared to start in this league. And he averaged about 20 yards a kick return with a long of 40 last year, a year in which 2 teams cut him in 6 weeks. The fact that people keep talking up how good this guy looked is a good indication of how horrible things were by the end of last season.

Not sure if someone already posted this, but it is an incredible stat.

- Caught 159 of 161 passes thrown to him in his college career

And as far as what he has done with the Cards; in only four games he tied for the most recieving TDs by a Cardinal for the ENTIRE season.

The fact that he was able to do that DESPITE having every other reciever on the IR, only says to me that with a better QB, and hopefully more help from the rest of the WR's, he could be even better.

I don't know that any of these guys are pro-bowlers, but if we go 3-13, IMO it won't be because of them.
 

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I don't know why people are suddenly recalling him as a great prospect.
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Because Sullivan said so


..EXACTLY!!!! ...and who you going to believe more? Sullivan or some of the posters here???
 

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Also, I would like to see Sanders resigned. But if not, then don't forget that Poole is somewhat of a possession receiver in the mold of Sanders. You need some of those inside slot/possession receivers that may not be the speed burners and stretch the field guys, but go over the middle, are steady and consistant route runners, reliable, and are there when you need them for the first down.
 

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Qadry and Jeff Blake have played together before. Qadry has the speed to utilize Blake the best. He would be an ideal fit here.

Willie Jackson would also be a very good signing. Both would probably come very cheap.
 

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The way I see it, if Sullivan is comfortable with the guys he has now I don't have a problem with it. He has worked with all of them and certainly knows what he has. Sometimes its not who you have but how you use them and Sullivan may be hatching an offensive scheme that works well with the receivers he has now. A lot of posters here were singing the praises of Sullivan and his coaching. Lets give the guy a chance now.
 

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Originally posted by az643dp
I disagree with your assesment of Bryan Gilmore. He didn't get a chance to play until the week before he injured his leg at SF.

In preseason, he demonstrated that he could get open in a number of ways...be it deep or on a slant. He also has the courage to go over the middle. Remember the slant he caught during the preseason game at San Diego? He took it the distance for a TD. He also caught a bomb from Chris Greisen for a TD against Green Bay, but it was called back because of a hold. He also had a huge scrimmage in Flagstaff.

I know all of the above was in preseason, but I saw some signs. The key for me, however, is that Jerry Sullivan raves about him. Sullivan does not rave about many people. If Jerry believes in him, so do I.

In my opinion, I think you are right on az643dp.
 

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Re: Ismail

Originally posted by Chris_Sanders
Qadry and Jeff Blake have played together before. Qadry has the speed to utilize Blake the best. He would be an ideal fit here.

Willie Jackson would also be a very good signing. Both would probably come very cheap.

I agree. I'm sure the stats would back this up, but both recievers had better numbers with Blake in the lineup than those who took over for him...

Of the two, I would rather see Jackson sign here.
 

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