Free Agents: An early take

[RugbyMuffin]

Just a quick list of players and thoughts.

* = A player a personally like

Cardinals Current Free Agents on their Roster:


Mike Iupati, LG – Should not be resigned. Injury prone, expensive and a better run blocker than a pass blocker.

Phil Dawson, K – Should not be resigned. See the last 3 years.

Deone Bucannon, ILB – Should not be resigned. The experience of putting a SS at ILBer is over. If the Cardinals want to put a safety out there on passing downs, put Zeke Turner out there.

*Tre Boston, FS – Probably not going to be resigned, with Swearinger on the roster now, yet may be the best pure FS on the roster. Maybe cut Bethea and play Boston and Swearinger ?

Benson Mayowa, DE – Probably not going to be resigned with the switch back to the 3-4. Was solid last year.

Marcus Golden, OLB – One would hope if he is resigned it is at a smart price. He has had 1 good year.

*Joseph Barksdale, RT – Should be resigned. He is a starting RT tackle, and the Cardinals need one.

*Rodney Gunter, DE – Should be resigned. He is a solid depth player no matter the scheme.

Olsen Pierre, DE – As a RFA, he should be tendered. Played well in a 3-4, in the past.

John Wetzel, OT – As a RFA, he should be tendered. Has been a solid backup at OL.

DJ Foster, RB – As a RFA, he should be tendered. He will be a good role player in a passing offense.

Ricky Seals-Jones, TE – As a ERFA, it is not really much of a decision or risk. #RobHouslerpart2

Jeremy Cash, ILB – As a RFA, hook looked solid playing on the inside last year before he was hurt.

JJ Nelson, WR – Should not be resigned. He can go drop passes for Arians in Tampa Bay.

The rest listed below are none factors, or camp fodder if signed:

John Phillips, TE

Derrick Coleman, FB

Oday Aboushi, OG

Gerald Hodges, ILB

Zach Moore, DE

Jeremy Vujnovich, OG

Gabe Martin, ILB

Darrell Daniels, TE

Daniel Munyer, OC/OG




2019: Free Agents (as it stands 02-08-19)


QB:
Maybe pick up Nic Shimoneck for camp fodder, and possible 3rd QB role ?


RB:
You know Keim will want to look at Ameer Abdullah, but no reason to no stick with Johnson, Edmonds, Foster, and Logan, unless Foster has not recovered. Maybe Charcandrick West if Foster cannot go?


WR:
(Slim Pickings)

- Tyrell Williams

- Jamison Crowder

- Chris Conley

- Keep an eye on RFA: Robbie Anderson ?


TE:
(Keep in mind I am one of the fringe amateur "capologist" that thinks the Cardinals can cut Jermaine Gresham as a June 1st cut for 6.25 mil in savings)

EDIT: This statement is wrong and the cap websites have updated their info, to prove it is wrong. See below for details. Because of this, I would say MAYBE the Cardinals pick up a tight end out of the two in bold below.



- Marcedes Lewis

- Lance Kendricks

- *Maxx Williams

- Tyler Kroft

- Jesse James

- CJ Uzomah


OT:
(Humphries at LT, Barksdale at RT) If not Barksdale.....

- Bobby Hart, RT

- Jordan Mills, RT

- Ja’Wuan James, RT


OG:

- Rodger Saffold $$$

- Ramon Foster $$$

- *DJ Fluker

- AJ Cann


OC:
Mason Cole and AQ Shipley will be fine.

DT:
Nkimdiche, Gunter (DT/NT), Pierre, Peters (NT)

- Not surprised if Zach Kerr is signed (Joseph guy)

- Henry Anderson

- Brent Urban

- *Christian Covington


OLB:
(C.Jones, Bosa/Allen, [Golden*], ???)

- Jadeveon Clowney/Dee Ford $$$ (pipe dreams)

- Not surprised if Shane Ray is signed (Joseph guy)

- Za’Darius Smith

- Preston Smith


ILB:
(Haason Reddick, Josh Bynes)

- *CJ Mosley $$$

- *Denzel Perryman

- Kwon Alexander

- Jake Ryan (depth)

- Ramik Wilson (depth)


CB:
(Peterson, ______, Robert Alford, _______, Amerson?)


- Bradley Roby

- Morris Claiborne

- Justin Coleman

- Bryce Callahan

- *Pierre Desir

- BW Webb (depth)

- PJ Williams (depth)


S:
(Bethea, Baker, Swearinger, Ford)

Got enough competition at safety, IMO.

 

[Zeno]

I think this is going to be a fun offseason. Lots of holes but lots of changes in offensive and defensive philosophies, decent cap space, #1 pick, waiver wire priority. I think the signing of Alford (whether you like the player or not) shows that the team is going to pay what it takes when it comes to a player they want.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Deone Bucannon, ILB – Should not be resigned. The experience of putting a SS at ILBer is over. If the Cardinals want to put a safety out there on passing downs, put Zeke Turner out there.

*Tre Boston, FS – Probably not going to be resigned, with Swearinger on the roster now, yet may be the best pure FS on the roster. Maybe cut Bethea and play Boston and Swearinger ?

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Given that the RAMS use a SS at ILB, one can't say the dollar LB theme is over. And, I'd venture there's a better chance of Deone's return than Tre.

 

[Chopper0080]

WR name to look out for...Kevin White. Nice size. Still young. Played in the Air Raid in college under Dana Holgorsen. Low cost.

 

[Krangodnzr]

You are absolutely wrong that the Cardinals will save $6.25 million by cutting Gresham. We've already discussed this and you were shown where you are wrong. I think the real number is $2.5 million in cap savings. Might as well keep him one more season. What an awful contract.....

 

[GatorAZ]

WR name to look out for...Kevin White. Nice size. Still young. Played in the Air Raid in college under Dana Holgorsen. Low cost.

From top-10 pick to...

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[Krangodnzr]

WR name to look out for...Kevin White. Nice size. Still young. Played in the Air Raid in college under Dana Holgorsen. Low cost.

I'm sick of the Cardinals picking up guys with extensive injury histories and expecting that to change.

 

[cardpa]

You are absolutely wrong that the Cardinals will save $6.25 million by cutting Gresham. We've already discussed this and you were shown where you are wrong. I think the real number is $2.5 million in cap savings. Might as well keep him one more season. What an awful contract.....

Correct $2.5M would be the savings.

 

[slanidrac16]

LB. So much will depend on what happens with Golden and Bucannon. I personally don't see Golden as a DE and I don't know why anybody believes he is going to sign a 1 year prove it deal. Listening to Vance Joseph's defensive plan I can see him liking the idea of having Bucannon if he will sign a team friendly deal. It also appears Bidwill likes him. However, I think someone is going to offer him and Golden way more money than we will want to spend.

Drafting Bosa or Allen would also ease the pressure on signing an OLB.

OL. I'm leaning on the side of Barksdale. But with my limited knowledge of talent evaluation ( which is none!) I have to wonder how our current roster of o-linemen grade out in a Kingsbury system. I keep hearing how his QB's seldom get hit. I don't believe Texas Tech o-linemen are flooding NFL rosters so what gives? I believe if they like Barksdale he will never hit free agency unless HE totally wants to. At OG I'm do not underestimate the importance of keeping people off and out of Rosen's face and negating pressure up the middle.

WR. Again, in a Kingsbury offense what are we looking for in a WR? I believe Tyrell Williams could fill a role but I don't think we'll spend the money with what appears to be available in the draft. I believe we will be looking at "smart" wr's. That being said Robby Anderson intrigues me but he has a bit of a bad boy.

TE. IMO RSJ is a tweener and may excel in this new offense. KK I'm sure will help in that decision. How much of a premium will KK put on a the TE position. I like James.

What an awesome off season this is going to be.

 

[slanidrac16]

WR name to look out for...Kevin White. Nice size. Still young. Played in the Air Raid in college under Dana Holgorsen. Low cost.

Injury prone.

 

[slanidrac16]

You are absolutely wrong that the Cardinals will save $6.25 million by cutting Gresham. We've already discussed this and you were shown where you are wrong. I think the real number is $2.5 million in cap savings. Might as well keep him one more season. What an awful contract.....

I would rather take the cap hit and draft a TE late in the draft so as to rid our ass of this guy. If he isn't hurt, he's dropping passes. If he isn't dropping passes, he's taking a dumb as penalty.

 

[JeffGollin]

Correct $2.5M would be the savings.

Every time I see him drop a pass or absorb another dumb penalty, I'll wonder whether - via addition = subtraction - we'd be better off wasting the $2.5M.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

WR name to look out for...Kevin White. Nice size. Still young. Played in the Air Raid in college under Dana Holgorsen. Low cost.

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Your knowledge nugget for the day folks.

Thank you.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

You are absolutely wrong that the Cardinals will save $6.25 million by cutting Gresham. We've already discussed this and you were shown where you are wrong. I think the real number is $2.5 million in cap savings. Might as well keep him one more season. What an awful contract.....

I stand by my wrongness.

But, to be fair, I do note that it is an argument and the side you side above has been stated in the thread for all to see.


EDIT:
........overthcap.com is stupid and I hate them. LOL. FYI, they change what they had and it now states what you have above. I just double checked for the sake of sanity.

I guess what they had before was Fake new, but to be fair to myself, I did screen capture what I saw. Those bastards.

 

[Cards Czar]

You are absolutely wrong that the Cardinals will save $6.25 million by cutting Gresham. We've already discussed this and you were shown where you are wrong. I think the real number is $2.5 million in cap savings. Might as well keep him one more season. What an awful contract.....

2.468M is the cap hit before June 1.
After June 1 it is 4.218M.

 

[Cards Czar]

I would add these players to your list.

OT:
Trent Brown, LOT, Patriots, 27 FA

OG:
Ted Karras (RFA), G, Patriots - 25, was a 6th round pick

DT:
Michael Pierce (RFA), NT, Ravens – 26, was a UDFA

DE:
Roy Robertson-Harris DE/DT (RFA), Bears, 25, was a UDFA

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Ted Karras (RFA), G, Patriots - 25, was a 6th round pick

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[NJCardFan]

I stand by my wrongness.

But, to be fair, I do note that it is an argument and the side you side above has been stated in the thread for all to see.


EDIT:
........overthcap.com is stupid and I hate them. LOL. FYI, they change what they had and it now states what you have above. I just double checked for the sake of sanity.

I guess what they had before was Fake new, but to be fair to myself, I did screen capture what I saw. Those bastards.

For the record, Sportrac.com is better.

 

[WildBB]

Startting CB, ILB and T/G would be a good start.

 

[Ronin]

Startting CB, ILB and T/G would be a good start.

+ a 3-4 nose tackle.

 

[Chopper0080]

I'm sick of the Cardinals picking up guys with extensive injury histories and expecting that to change.

100% buy low option. He isn't a guy to sign and say "we fixed the WR position". He is a guy you add to see if he can earn a spot, especially with his size, age, and experience in a similar system.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

+ a 3-4 nose tackle.

Could I have some reason from you or another poster on why we feel Cory Peters and Rodney Gunter (if the team re-signs Gunter) are not viable options at NT in a 3-4? (Not saying it is a dumb idea in any way, shape or form, just curious)


There are some guys in free agency available and a couple good prospects in the draft, no doubt.

But, Gunter is just coming into his own as a pro, and Peters is a good starting caliber player, both of which played well in the 3-4 two years ago.

Again, I would not be surprise if the Cardinals bring in and sign Zach Kerr, who is a NT, and has played in Vance Joseph's system, so that is a possibility, even with bringing Rodney Gunter back.


To throw it out there, my half-assed crazy, ideal situation would be:

1. Re-sign Rodney Gunter and Olsen Pierre

2. Sign Zach Kerr.

3. Sign Malik Jackson.


NT: Cory Peters / Zach Kerr
DE: Malik Jackson / Olsen Pierre
DE: Rodney Gunter / Robert Nkimdiche

 

[Ronin]

Could I have some reason from you or another poster on why we feel Cory Peters and Rodney Gunter (if the team re-signs Gunter) are not viable options at NT in a 3-4? (Not saying it is a dumb idea in any way, shape or form, just curious)


There are some guys in free agency available and a couple good prospects in the draft, no doubt.

But, Gunter is just coming into his own as a pro, and Peters is a good starting caliber player, both of which played well in the 3-4 two years ago.

If Gunter and Peters can hold down the fort, then so be it.
Apologies. but I wasn’t a fan of this team 4 years ago.
I’m still a fan. I’ve been following the team for two years, going on three.
I still have nightmares of our run defense from last year.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I've made my stand, my argument is that the Cardinals should sign Trent Brown. He is the best available tackle and played pretty well at OT this past season. He is a lineman you can tout as your best lineman and not be embarrassed saying so.

He will break the bank, but he would significantly improve the Offensive line.

The one thing I DON'T want to see is for the Cardinals to throw big money on a guard.

 

[TheCardFan]

I've made my stand, my argument is that the Cardinals should sign Trent Brown. He is the best available tackle and played pretty well at OT this past season. He is a lineman you can tout as your best lineman and not be embarrassed saying so.

He will break the bank, but he would significantly improve the Offensive line.

The one thing I DON'T want to see is for the Cardinals to throw big money on a guard.

You are going all in with a pair of 7’s.

You are going to pay the #32 T #1 T money (16-17m/year)? The Patriots will be on their 3rd LT in 3 years protecting the GOAT. They aren’t paying these guys top money because they have a system that allows average talent to succeed at that position (and others). The Patriots will trade for or draft his replacement and not miss a beat.

I believe KK’s system is similar, based on his college o lines.

Paying an average or above average player top dollars in FA is a franchise wrecking situation. Don’t be the 2019 Lions and overpay for an average LT.