from another board on Okur!

[Yuma]

Posted by iq175
Jul 2, 10:48 pm
It appears Detroit has offered Okur 6 years 40 million to stay in Detroit.

That seems like an awful lot to pay a soft center.

Please Suns...please...don't do anything stupid like trying to give more.


I love this guys thinking!

 

[Yuma]

Eric and I can disagree about stupid stuff, but Okur is seriously BAD mojo for us! Can you say Longley? This guy is about as tough as a stick of butter on a hot Arizona sidewalk in the summer! God I hope Gambo is right! We dodged getting Podolskine. We dodge Okur, and I think this off season is a major success even without getting Kobe, TMac, Shaq, or Vinsanity!

sorry, had to repost this here!

 

[JerkFace]

Posted by iq175
Jul 2, 10:48 pm
It appears Detroit has offered Okur 6 years 40 million to stay in Detroit.

That seems like an awful lot to pay a soft center.

Please Suns...please...don't do anything stupid like trying to give more.


I love this guys thinking!

that's just the mid level exception, he'll get more than that from another team.

 

[Yuma]

hopefully Utah! Or he COULD stay where he wants for what they are offering. He keeps saying how he wants to stay there.

 

[Errntknght]

It doesn't sound like the Pistons are really all that interested in keeping him. I wonder what they're going to offer Rasheed...

 

[sly fly]

Eric and I can disagree about stupid stuff, but Okur is seriously BAD mojo for us! Can you say Longley? This guy is about as tough as a stick of butter on a hot Arizona sidewalk in the summer! God I hope Gambo is right! We dodged getting Podolskine. We dodge Okur, and I think this off season is a major success even without getting Kobe, TMac, Shaq, or Vinsanity!

sorry, had to repost this here!

Oh yeah, compare Okur to Longley! They're both white! Boy, there's some astute breakdown. I'm sure you've got the whole book on Okur.

This is getting ridiculous.

 

[George O'Brien]

Oh yeah, compare Okur to Longley! They're both white! Boy, there's some astute breakdown. I'm sure you've got the whole book on Okur.

This is getting ridiculous.

That part is ridiculous, but Okur's game IS too much like Luc's for my liking. Luc was reasonably mobile, a good shooter and a very good passer, blocked out well, and set picks OK. What didn't do was rebound, block shots, or play defense without fouling. Sounds too much like Okur to me.

One factor to keep in mind - Lampe is likely to be a much better offensive player than Okur. Lampe is an outstanding shooter, very mobile, and has great passing skills when he decides to actually pass rather than take a shot. He used to be a small forward in Europe and has outstanding ball handling skills for a big man.

If offense was all that was needed, Lampe would be the Suns starting center this fall. What he needs is to get a lot stronger, become a better rebounder, defender, and shot blocker. So my question is, "why sign a guy who is not as good as the guy you already have?" It makes sense to sign a defensive specialist, but another guy whose strength is offense makes no real sense to me.

 

[Dan H]

When playing over thirty minutes, Okur averaged 16 points and 8 rebounds. Luc couldn't have done that if you gave him 90 minutes.

 

[slinslin]

Longley averaged 11.4ppg 5.9rpg 2.8apg 45.5%FG in 28mpg when we signed him.

Okur average 9.6ppg 5.9rpg 1apg 46.3%FG in 22mpg last season.

Not sure if that difference is so incredible that it would make me want to sign Okur.

I would rather have Foyle, Thomas, Ostertag or Divac than Okur.

 

[F-Dog]

You've got to be kidding me.

Longley put up his points in Chicago, hitting wide-open 15-footers. Okur was usually creating his shots from scratch in Detroit.


If you say you don't like Okur because he's too small or not enough of a help defender, I can see that. But comparing Okur to Luc Longley is like comparing Jackson Vroman to Big Jake.

That part is ridiculous, but Okur's game IS too much like Luc's for my liking. Luc was reasonably mobile, a good shooter and a very good passer, blocked out well, and set picks OK. What didn't do was rebound, block shots, or play defense without fouling. Sounds too much like Okur to me.

Okur can do all of the things you say he can't do, and Luc couldn't do some of the things you say he can do (reasonably mobile?).

I guess all foreign white guys with receding chins look the same to some people.

 

[Dan H]

Longley averaged 11ppg playing with Jordan, and alongside Rodman. That's the key difference between his and Okur's stats, IMO. He was simply taking advantage of a situation. I still cringe when I think that we traded Ron Artest and Mark Bryant for him . . .

He averaged 8.7 and 5.7 in his first season with us, and 6.3 and 4.5 the following.

 

[devilalum]

What happened to the Sheed rumor?

Trade Eisley, Euro guy, Chi. pick, Bryan Colangelo to some team for cap space.

Sign Sheed to a max deal.

C - Amare
PF - Sheed
SF - MArion
JJ
Nash

 

[slinslin]

Sheed would play center like he did in Portland and Detroit.

He is 6'11 probably a bit taller in shoes, who knows? He has really long arms.

 

[JerkFace]

Sheed would play center like he did in Portland and Detroit.

He is 6'11 probably a bit taller in shoes, who knows? He has really long arms.

i think sheed likes detroit, the only reason i think he'd go somewhere else is if he just really wanted to play in new york and was willing to take the mid-level.

 

[devilalum]

Sheed would play center like he did in Portland and Detroit.

He is 6'11 probably a bit taller in shoes, who knows? He has really long arms.

Who cares, they can take turns. A front court of MArion, Wallace and Amare sounds good to me. Probably the most athletic in the league.

 

[slinslin]

I think Sheed is going to let his family decide. That's what he is saying and he apparently liked the Suns when he was hanging out in the Suns locker after a Suns-Blazers game this season.

I just wish the Suns would make an attempt to get him despite what the media says about him. I like the competetive nature, emotion and toughness he would addd.

Unfortunately I am afraid that the Suns are trying to acquire 12 basketball playing good christians rather than 12 very good basketball players.

 

[George O'Brien]

I think Sheed is going to let his family decide. That's what he is saying and he apparently liked the Suns when he was hanging out in the Suns locker after a Suns-Blazers game this season.

I just wish the Suns would make an attempt to get him despite what the media says about him. I like the competetive nature, emotion and toughness he would addd.

Unfortunately I am afraid that the Suns are trying to acquire 12 basketball playing good christians rather than 12 very good basketball players.

Getting Sheed would certainly shake things up around here. At this point I'm sure the problem is his rep but his price tag. Plus Phoenix just doesn't have enough bright lights.

 

[Joe Mama]

Sheed would play center like he did in Portland and Detroit.

He is 6'11 probably a bit taller in shoes, who knows? He has really long arms.

what are you talking about? Wallace rarely if ever played center in either of those places. In fact part of the time he didn't even play power forward. I wouldn't mind Rasheed Wallace with the leftover money, but don't make things up to support your argument.

Joe Mama

 

[JCSunsfan]

what are you talking about? Wallace rarely if ever played center in either of those places. In fact part of the time he didn't even play power forward. I wouldn't mind Rasheed Wallace with the leftover money, but don't make things up to support your argument.

Joe Mama

Sheed has played all three front court positions where ever he has been. Of the players currently available in free agency, he probably would play the 5 the best consistently.

Plus, they can trade out offensive and defensive assignments.

 

[Dylan]

Getting Sheed would certainly shake things up around here. At this point I'm sure the problem is his rep but his price tag. Plus Phoenix just doesn't have enough bright lights.

I remember earlier in the season Jerry Colangelo was asked if he was interested in Sheed... he said "No, and double No"...

I remember also when Sprewell choked Carlesimo, and everyone knew Golden State was going to get rid of Sprewell, Ainge, (coach then) indicated he would be interested. The next day I see a quote that Jerry said he would never have Sprewell, that you have to be able to look in the mirror every day, and he couldn't if he got Sprewell.

I would be amazed if we went for Sheed.. not Jerry's kind of guy.

 

[Yuma]

Oh yeah, compare Okur to Longley! They're both white! Boy, there's some astute breakdown. I'm sure you've got the whole book on Okur.

This is getting ridiculous.

I am not even comparing skill sets between Longley and Okur. I am saying we got Longley when he was overpaid and innefectual. If we spend big bucks on Okur, it will be a mistake! He's too soft on defense. If he was effective at ALL coach Brown would have played him more minutes. I have watched Larry Brown teams, and he likes to give lots of guys minutes and keep people fresh. That he was reluctant to give hardly any minutes to Okur, especially when Sheed was in constant foul trouble speaks volumes!

 

[slinslin]

what are you talking about? Wallace rarely if ever played center in either of those places. In fact part of the time he didn't even play power forward. I wouldn't mind Rasheed Wallace with the leftover money, but don't make things up to support your argument.

Joe Mama

Umm Joe I certainly saw Rasheed playing center quite often during his years in Portland.

And when he played for Detroit last season he was guarding the centers often as well. At least about as much as Ben Wallace.

 

[Joe Mama]

Umm Joe I certainly saw Rasheed playing center quite often during his years in Portland.

And when he played for Detroit last season he was guarding the centers often as well. At least about as much as Ben Wallace.

Well, I disagree. I would be surprised if Wallace averaged five minutes a game at center over his career. He probably could play center, but I don't think he would sign a team that intended to start him there.

Joe Mama

 

[elindholm]

Well, I disagree. I would be surprised if Wallace averaged five minutes a game at center over his career. He probably could play center, but I don't think he would sign a team that intended to start him there.

Then call Stoudemire the center. Everyone seemed to love the double-PF lineup with Stoudemire and McDyess anyway. From a basketball standpoint, I'd certainly rather have Wallace than McDyess in that situation.

Of course, it's all moot, because there's no way that Phoenix can offer Wallace enough for him to leave Detroit. This nonsense about his family is just gossip column fodder.

 

[George O'Brien]

Well, I disagree. I would be surprised if Wallace averaged five minutes a game at center over his career. He probably could play center, but I don't think he would sign a team that intended to start him there.

Joe Mama

Offense or defense? Sheed is not much of center on offense but is often defensing the center on defense.

I'm not sure if the Suns would take him considering his reputation and I'm not sure they could take him due to his price. But worrying about what position a strong 6'11" defender plays is the least of the Suns problems.