Game thoughts after a night of sleep

[Chopper0080]

1-Palmer played really well. Hard to ask your 37 year old QB to play better.

2-Ellington showed some burst. Arians stated post game that he might get more looks.

3-That being said, we said the same about Chris Johnson last week, and Kerwynn Williams in the past. Consistency has been an issue.

4-I don't want to talk about our TEs.

5-Our offensive line is missing two starters...that hurts.

6-I think you can have a Veldheer vs Wetzel conversation if Humphries is healthy, but he is not.

7-I also think Veldheer is better than the alternative right now. That is what happens when you have injuries on the offensive line.

8-If Boone is out for an extended period of time...it will be interesting.

9-Our defensive line is an average collection of players.

10-I liked Corey Peters play last night.

11-Nkemdiche is incredibly frustrating.

12-Reddick had ups and downs last night, but I thought he played his best game of the year. Looked fast in the right ways and not out of control.

13-Golden has to guess based on his athletic ability...if someone is not covering for that, he looks bad.

14-Mathieu said that last night was not to his standard. It was bad, and it's is comforting to hear he has the self awareness to see it. I have said that Mathieu is not a 100% snap a game guy. Hopefully the Cards and him realize this, and can come to a more equitable financial arrangement to address this.

15-I like Budda Baker. I am curious to see the snap totals.

16-Tyvone Branch played well.

17-I did not notice Antoine Bethea...not sure if that is good or bad.

18-Patrick Peterson is really good.

19-Bethel made one really bad play and paid for it.

20-One constant in regards to our bad special teams is Amos Jones. However, when you have 30+ professional kickers...how much influence should he really have to have?

 

[BigRedRage]

1-Palmer played really well. Hard to ask your 37 year old QB to play better.

2-Ellington showed some burst. Arians stated post game that he might get more looks.

3-That being said, we said the same about Chris Johnson last week, and Kerwynn Williams in the past. Consistency has been an issue.

4-I don't want to talk about our TEs.

5-Our offensive line is missing two starters...that hurts.

6-I think you can have a Veldheer vs Wetzel conversation if Humphries is healthy, but he is not.

7-I also think Veldheer is better than the alternative right now. That is what happens when you have injuries on the offensive line.

8-If Boone is out for an extended period of time...it will be interesting.

9-Our defensive line is an average collection of players.

10-I liked Corey Peters play last night.

11-Nkemdiche is incredibly frustrating.

12-Reddick had ups and downs last night, but I thought he played his best game of the year. Looked fast in the right ways and not out of control.

13-Golden has to guess based on his athletic ability...if someone is not covering for that, he looks bad.

14-Mathieu said that last night was not to his standard. It was bad, and it's is comforting to hear he has the self awareness to see it. I have said that Mathieu is not a 100% snap a game guy. Hopefully the Cards and him realize this, and can come to a more equitable financial arrangement to address this.

15-I like Budda Baker. I am curious to see the snap totals.

16-Tyvone Branch played well.

17-I did not notice Antoine Bethea...not sure if that is good or bad.

18-Patrick Peterson is really good.

19-Bethel made one really bad play and paid for it.

20-One constant in regards to our bad special teams is Amos Jones. However, when you have 30+ professional kickers...how much influence should he really have to have?

On #20, I believe the problem is terrible blocking, not the kicking.

Example in punts: When Andy Lee punted, he was almost always being hit or nearly hit. When the cowboys kicker was angling kicks to avoid pp21, he was able to walk/kick diagonally instead of straight forward. If andy did that, he would be blocked all day.

On kicks: every single kick is contested due to poor blocking and Dawson sees them coming. When we played their kicks, our "rushers" on the outside take one step and then stand up. So, we dont block blitzers on kicks and we do not blitz kicks.

ST coaching is the problem IMO. We have good players on ST and poor coaching.

 

[Chopper0080]

On #20, I believe the problem is terrible blocking, not the kicking.

Example in punts: When Andy Lee punted, he was almost always being hit or nearly hit. When the cowboys kicker was angling kicks to avoid pp21, he was able to walk/kick diagonally instead of straight forward. If andy did that, he would be blocked all day.

On kicks: every single kick is contested due to poor blocking and Dawson sees them coming. When we played their kicks, our "rushers" on the outside take one step and then stand up. So, we dont block blitzers on kicks and we do not blitz kicks.

ST coaching is the problem IMO. We have good players on ST and poor coaching.

That could be true

 

[Metcalf Rules]

On #20, I believe the problem is terrible blocking, not the kicking.

Example in punts: When Andy Lee punted, he was almost always being hit or nearly hit. When the cowboys kicker was angling kicks to avoid pp21, he was able to walk/kick diagonally instead of straight forward. If andy did that, he would be blocked all day.

On kicks: every single kick is contested due to poor blocking and Dawson sees them coming. When we played their kicks, our "rushers" on the outside take one step and then stand up. So, we dont block blitzers on kicks and we do not blitz kicks.

ST coaching is the problem IMO. We have good players on ST and poor coaching.

I've noticed that for several years now, probably since Amos Jones has been the st coach. When Butler was the punter, he seemed to get his kicked blocked or near blocked more than anyone I'd ever seen. Yet other teams always seemed to get their punts off in plenty of time.

 

[NJCardFan]

What we're seeing this season is what happens when ego rules the day. BASK seems to think they're smarter than what they really are. While other contending teams in the conference went out and improved themselves, we lost key players and didn't replace them with anyone but average at best talent. I really feel bad for Fitz and Palmer. They deserve better than this garbage. This team should easily be 3-0 and the talk of the NFC right now as even as bad as we are, we had the chance to take control of every game we've played in. IMO if Andrew Luck were healthy, the Colts would have beaten us as well. But this team did nothing to improve itself over the off season so we shouldn't be surprised by the results.

 

[kerouac9]

The problem is that Wetzel is so bad he needs constant help, so there's no help for Veldheer. I'm still not sure what the rush was to move D.J. Humphries to the other side of the line.

Can you talk more about your look at Reddick? He had 1 tackle, and I never noticed him. I hope we didn't spend a Top 15 pick on a less visible Deone Bucannon.

The zone defenses are killing me. It plays against everything that's good about our defense.

 

[juza76]

Valdeher cant handle anyone so is even difficult to assist him blocking

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

Valdeher cant handle anyone so is even difficult to assist him blocking

I can't help but wonder how he could be good at LT for years and so inept at RT. And that being said, why move him from LT then? Doesn't make sense to me, with the one exception. We are the Cardinals!

 

[juza76]

I can't help but wonder how he could be good at LT for years and so inept at RT. And that being said, why move him from LT then? Doesn't make sense to me, with the one exception. We are the Cardinals!

they will never do this move
they invested a round1 pick in humphries, and they will try to make him his succeds in the position is more comfortable
in the other hand, valdeher is 30 years old with huge contract, mulled retirements few months a go

 

[JeffGollin]

The last 3 plays of the final Dallas TD drive were runs by Elliott for 7, 7 and 8 yards. To a man, we looked tired.

 

[Chopper0080]

The problem is that Wetzel is so bad he needs constant help, so there's no help for Veldheer. I'm still not sure what the rush was to move D.J. Humphries to the other side of the line.

Can you talk more about your look at Reddick? He had 1 tackle, and I never noticed him. I hope we didn't spend a Top 15 pick on a less visible Deone Bucannon.

The zone defenses are killing me. It plays against everything that's good about our defense.

In regards to Reddick...he was all over the field in terms of flashing on the screen. He had two pressures on Prescott, looked comfortable in coverage, and only over ran a couple of gaps. He is not a hero of the game by any means, but he is better than last week which is what I want to see out of young players. We can debate the value of spending a 1st round pick on an ILB (or two) but he is the guy we took. In terms of learning a new position on the fly, I like that I see some progress.

I agree with the zone coverage. I understand throwing in a wrinkle, but we have gone from doing one thing very well to doing two things average at best.

We have no identity anymore as a team. Offense, defense, doesn't matter. We struggle to win because we have no idea what we do well to lean on in crunch times.

 

[Jay Cardinal]

1-Palmer played really well. Hard to ask your 37 year old QB to play better.

2-Ellington showed some burst. Arians stated post game that he might get more looks.

3-That being said, we said the same about Chris Johnson last week, and Kerwynn Williams in the past. Consistency has been an issue.

4-I don't want to talk about our TEs.

5-Our offensive line is missing two starters...that hurts.

6-I think you can have a Veldheer vs Wetzel conversation if Humphries is healthy, but he is not.

7-I also think Veldheer is better than the alternative right now. That is what happens when you have injuries on the offensive line.

8-If Boone is out for an extended period of time...it will be interesting.

9-Our defensive line is an average collection of players.

10-I liked Corey Peters play last night.

11-Nkemdiche is incredibly frustrating.

12-Reddick had ups and downs last night, but I thought he played his best game of the year. Looked fast in the right ways and not out of control.

13-Golden has to guess based on his athletic ability...if someone is not covering for that, he looks bad.

14-Mathieu said that last night was not to his standard. It was bad, and it's is comforting to hear he has the self awareness to see it. I have said that Mathieu is not a 100% snap a game guy. Hopefully the Cards and him realize this, and can come to a more equitable financial arrangement to address this.

15-I like Budda Baker. I am curious to see the snap totals.

16-Tyvone Branch played well.

17-I did not notice Antoine Bethea...not sure if that is good or bad.

18-Patrick Peterson is really good.

19-Bethel made one really bad play and paid for it.

20-One constant in regards to our bad special teams is Amos Jones. However, when you have 30+ professional kickers...how much influence should he really have to have?

I noticed Bethea when he was one of the 4 Cards Dez Bryant carried into the end zone.

Palmer played alright, he didn't have much of a chance when the pocket collapsed. Palmer doesn't seem to have that sixth sense that lets him know when to get rid of the ball. It's really tough to evaluate him with this line.

Badger had a rough game, but I see him bouncing back.

D-line was what I was worried about this season. The collection of players is very average, I am not surprised they have done nothing.

 

[Shane]

1-Palmer played really well. Hard to ask your 37 year old QB to play better.

2-Ellington showed some burst. Arians stated post game that he might get more looks.

3-That being said, we said the same about Chris Johnson last week, and Kerwynn Williams in the past. Consistency has been an issue.

4-I don't want to talk about our TEs.

5-Our offensive line is missing two starters...that hurts.

6-I think you can have a Veldheer vs Wetzel conversation if Humphries is healthy, but he is not.

7-I also think Veldheer is better than the alternative right now. That is what happens when you have injuries on the offensive line.

8-If Boone is out for an extended period of time...it will be interesting.

9-Our defensive line is an average collection of players.

10-I liked Corey Peters play last night.

11-Nkemdiche is incredibly frustrating.

12-Reddick had ups and downs last night, but I thought he played his best game of the year. Looked fast in the right ways and not out of control.

13-Golden has to guess based on his athletic ability...if someone is not covering for that, he looks bad.

14-Mathieu said that last night was not to his standard. It was bad, and it's is comforting to hear he has the self awareness to see it. I have said that Mathieu is not a 100% snap a game guy. Hopefully the Cards and him realize this, and can come to a more equitable financial arrangement to address this.

15-I like Budda Baker. I am curious to see the snap totals.

16-Tyvone Branch played well.

17-I did not notice Antoine Bethea...not sure if that is good or bad.

18-Patrick Peterson is really good.

19-Bethel made one really bad play and paid for it.

20-One constant in regards to our bad special teams is Amos Jones. However, when you have 30+ professional kickers...how much influence should he really have to have?

Someone kast week said Chris Johnson showed burst???

 

[kerouac9]

Baker played 4 defensive snaps.

 

[juza76]

Baker played 4 defensive snaps.

He deserve to play more snaps
This reluctance to play the budda baker is a non sense, he can cover better tackle better and is much faster then bethea

 

[pmacLean]

They (Dallas D) spent the whole first part of the game selling out to stopping the run (CJ2K).
Notice, even if we weren't running well (O-line) we were picking them apart.
Enter special teams, the score goes in their favor, Dallas adjusts and dares us to run (because they have the lead) and we do, with great mediocrity (and no, CJ was not the RB at that point) and at the same time let 3 guys completely blow up the passing game.. I have to admit both Arians and Boettcher adjusted this game, unlike most games, unfortunately, they adjusted right into what Dallas wanted..

we probably don't need new players (except maybe some anonymous O-linemen of someones practice squad that should have no problem outperforming Shipley and Valdheer)... what we urgently need are a complete new set of coaches on both sides of the ball... this season is and will continue to be, a disaster with the incompetents we have in charge

 

[Chopper0080]

Baker played 4 defensive snaps.

I saw that...4 snaps and 1 blitz pressure

 

[Cardiac]

He deserve to play more snaps
This reluctance to play the budda baker is a non sense, he can cover better tackle better and is much faster then bethea

Budda doesn't know the Defense well enough because he couldn't attend OTA's etc and he is a rookie. I'm excited to see him get more playing time while spelling HB as I agree with Chopper that he needs less playing time.

 

[Cardiac]

1-Palmer played really well. Hard to ask your 37 year old QB to play better.

2-Ellington showed some burst. Arians stated post game that he might get more looks.

3-That being said, we said the same about Chris Johnson last week, and Kerwynn Williams in the past. Consistency has been an issue.

4-I don't want to talk about our TEs.

5-Our offensive line is missing two starters...that hurts.

6-I think you can have a Veldheer vs Wetzel conversation if Humphries is healthy, but he is not.

7-I also think Veldheer is better than the alternative right now. That is what happens when you have injuries on the offensive line.

8-If Boone is out for an extended period of time...it will be interesting.

9-Our defensive line is an average collection of players.

10-I liked Corey Peters play last night.

11-Nkemdiche is incredibly frustrating.

12-Reddick had ups and downs last night, but I thought he played his best game of the year. Looked fast in the right ways and not out of control.

13-Golden has to guess based on his athletic ability...if someone is not covering for that, he looks bad.

14-Mathieu said that last night was not to his standard. It was bad, and it's is comforting to hear he has the self awareness to see it. I have said that Mathieu is not a 100% snap a game guy. Hopefully the Cards and him realize this, and can come to a more equitable financial arrangement to address this.

15-I like Budda Baker. I am curious to see the snap totals.

16-Tyvone Branch played well.

17-I did not notice Antoine Bethea...not sure if that is good or bad.

18-Patrick Peterson is really good.

19-Bethel made one really bad play and paid for it.

20-One constant in regards to our bad special teams is Amos Jones. However, when you have 30+ professional kickers...how much influence should he really have to have?

I agree with your post but have a question on #19. I recall Bethel giving up that TD catch but he was aware and inches away from knocking the ball out. Bethel had his hand between the receivers and was trying to reach the ball but just couldn't quite get there. Is that the bad play you were referring to?

I wouldn't call it a really bad play but maybe I'm nit picking.

 

[Chopper0080]

I agree with your post but have a question on #19. I recall Bethel giving up that TD catch but he was aware and inches away from knocking the ball out. Bethel had his hand between the receivers and was trying to reach the ball but just couldn't quite get there. Is that the bad play you were referring to?

I wouldn't call it a really bad play but maybe I'm nit picking.

Yes. That was a jump ball that he has to turn around, locate, and break up or pick off. That should have been a turnover IMO and instead was a TD. Big swing, and a play your defense needs to make if it is going to be the strength of your team.