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This is something I've learned. If it's a clutch situation, never go to Barbosa or Diaw. Go to Bell, Nash or Stoudemire. They are more competitive and that's who you look for. Giraceck might even fill that role, but it's too soon.

I don't think this is Dantoni's fault because often Nash is just out there creating. But from now on, they need specific plays for those 3 guys. I don't think they treat those clutch situations any different and that's why just about anyone can end up shooting the ball.

It's cost us several times in my opinion. To be fair, the Spurms REALLY did get lucky to pull that one out and overall we are the better team and should be okay this series*.

- ROb
 

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agreed. diaw hasn't been clutch since his game/series winner in dallas, and that was two years ago.

barbs hasnt been clutch since his game winner in chicago, and that was 2 years ago.

i think GG has it. his shooting form hardly varies, seems well confident. but we know dtoni will not play him.
 

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D'Antoni will never change his overall philiospohy strategy he believes in size mismatches first and everything else second. He is in love with Diaw's size advantage.

I will say that after rewatching the plays, they were both different.

1. The Barbosa shot was actually Nash's call. Looked like D'Antoni designed it to go to Diaw on the P&R. Nash kicked it to Barbosa who passed up the open jumper and drove into traffic for a bad off balanced, something that would be critized if he was Amare and not loveable Leandro.

2. Was all D'Antoni going again with his love of Diaw's size. If the Suns had Jordan, KJ, Barkley, Kobe, LeBron...D'Antoni would have still gone to Diaw because there was a mismatch in size, D'Antoni ignores mismatch in talent all the time in last second shots.
 

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stop saying "suns are the better team"


NO the suns aren't.

If they were, they won't be 0-3 series against the Spurs... the Spurs also had the better regular season record... also has the better record against the top teams.

Suns are just better suited to match up with the Spurs, they took care of it in the regular season, but yet to prove they are better than the Spurs in the playoffs....

I'm a suns fan and all, but its just ridiculous to keep saying the Suns are the better team... when they aren't.... especially against the Spurs.. reigning champs.

Suns win this series, then you can say they are better.....
 

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^Whatever! The SUNS ARE THE BETTER TEAM! We can say it because its true, if not for a few miracle shots they win that game as well. Say all you want about past years but this year we are the better team and proved it by kicking their asses 3 out of 4 this season. And as far as the record last time I checked they didn't make a MAJOR trade and totally have to change the way their team played MID-SEASON and what did they finish 1 game up on us?
 

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And there you go...

D'Antoni, on designing last-second shots for Leandro Barbosa and Boris Diaw: "If I'm San Antonio and we're lining up, and there's Steve Nash, guess what they're doing. They're all over Steve. We tried for Boris. They went small, and we had a little guy on Boris. I'm thinking he's got a mismatch and that'd be a good one to go to."
 

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And if he made the shot you would all be saying how smart it was. Dantoni haters will always bitch either way.
 

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And there you go...

D'Antoni, on designing last-second shots for Leandro Barbosa and Boris Diaw: "If I'm San Antonio and we're lining up, and there's Steve Nash, guess what they're doing. They're all over Steve. We tried for Boris. They went small, and we had a little guy on Boris. I'm thinking he's got a mismatch and that'd be a good one to go to."

I have no problem with that. Seriously. I loved that he went to the Boris mismatch at the end.

It is just like D'Antoni drawing up a 3 point play to Amare, or Duncan.
 

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i'd probably be more pissed if diaw was matched up with a guard and d'antoni did NOT go to him. if he's open and can get a shot up over the defender, i see no reason not to go to him.
 

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This is something I've learned. If it's a clutch situation, never go to Barbosa or Diaw. Go to Bell, Nash or Stoudemire. They are more competitive and that's who you look for. Giraceck might even fill that role, but it's too soon.

I don't think this is Dantoni's fault because often Nash is just out there creating. But from now on, they need specific plays for those 3 guys. I don't think they treat those clutch situations any different and that's why just about anyone can end up shooting the ball.

It's cost us several times in my opinion. To be fair, the Spurms REALLY did get lucky to pull that one out and overall we are the better team and should be okay this series*.

- ROb


What about Nash letting the shotclock expire giving them a chance to score. I was telling Linder that he needed to let every second possible off of the clock, set a pick, and shoot a 3 pointer. That would have given them around 5 or 6 seconds left.

Instead he ran the ball down to 2, got caught up, and gave it to Amare, who didn't realize the shotclock was running down. Throw in the fact that he drew a charge when he didn't need to.

I guess we shouldn't trust Nash or Amare in the clutch either.

It was a bad night. Eerily reminded me of myself watching the Cards instead. Finding unreal ways to lose.
 

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i'd probably be more pissed if diaw was matched up with a guard and d'antoni did NOT go to him. if he's open and can get a shot up over the defender, i see no reason not to go to him.
3D will just pass it up.
 

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As for D'Antoni, I do not have any issue with going to a mismatch. Of course I would prefer to have the last shot done by Nash with 5 guys on him, because Nash will find the open guy under the hoop, Boris more often will not.

My issue is that D'antoni trusts guys that are weakest mental guys on the team to hit the big shots and that negates the mismatch. Does anyone think Leandro and Boris are not over thinking it on that last shot?

When Nash takes those clutch shots he just gets it up. Leandro and Boris dribble around think about it and end up taking bad shots.

I would rather have Hill, GG hell even Shaq taking a last second jumper than Leandro or Boris, their big shots (Dallas and Chicago) were flukes.
 

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What about Nash letting the shotclock expire giving them a chance to score. I was telling Linder that he needed to let every second possible off of the clock, set a pick, and shoot a 3 pointer. That would have given them around 5 or 6 seconds left.

Instead he ran the ball down to 2, got caught up, and gave it to Amare, who didn't realize the shotclock was running down. Throw in the fact that he drew a charge when he didn't need to.

I guess we shouldn't trust Nash or Amare in the clutch either.

It was a bad night. Eerily reminded me of myself watching the Cards instead. Finding unreal ways to lose.

The difference of course is the Cardinals do their meltdowns in the regular season.
 

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And if he made the shot you would all be saying how smart it was. Dantoni haters will always bitch either way.

but he didn't, and we haven't beaten the spurs in the playoffs. those are facts. your's are "what ifs" - take your head outta the sand and recognize reality.

we are not better than this team until we actually eliminate them from the playoffs. that is the only measuring stick.
 

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The difference of course is the Cardinals do their meltdowns in the regular season.

Progression. Once we make the postseason, I fully expect this to happen.
 

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but he didn't, and we haven't beaten the spurs in the playoffs. those are facts. your's are "what ifs" - take your head outta the sand and recognize reality.

we are not better than this team until we actually eliminate them from the playoffs. that is the only measuring stick.

Let's all remember that D'Antoni was the GM/Coach, complete power at one point, in two years he has increasingly lost almost all his power in the organization, why? mainly because his love for Boris Diaw and of course the Banks deal. D'antoni really believes Boris is a top 15 player in the league he loves the guy, and when he is inevitably fired by Kerr and a bottomfeeder NBA team picks hires him, the Suns can ship Diaw to that team because D'Antoni will likely give up the farm to have him there.
 

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^Whatever! The SUNS ARE THE BETTER TEAM! We can say it because its true, if not for a few miracle shots they win that game as well. Say all you want about past years but this year we are the better team and proved it by kicking their asses 3 out of 4 this season. And as far as the record last time I checked they didn't make a MAJOR trade and totally have to change the way their team played MID-SEASON and what did they finish 1 game up on us?



Show me the proof that Suns are better than the Spurs.


When has the Suns eliminated the Spurs??

When Barkley was the team MVP against David Robinson led Spurs, yes the Suns were better...


The last decade, Spurs > Suns.



Suns HOPE to be better this season... they have more talent.. but Spurs are still the better team... until Suns eliminate the Spurs....

were you one of those yahoo fantasy players that picked all Suns players??

Im curious.. because it almost happened in one of my league.... thats homerism and a half.
 

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Its one game dude and were talking about right NOW not last year or the year before right NOW...get it? And this year we have proven to be the better team just because we lost 1 GAME on the road in double OT with severe foul trouble by 2 points all the while their best player going off and even hitting his ONLY 3 pointer of the year doesn't mean their better, it means they one A GAME. The series is far from over do you also think that Philly is better than the Pistons? Just curious what your expert opinion is since you claim to know what teams are better.
 

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Its one game dude and were talking about right NOW not last year or the year before right NOW...get it?

aren't we down 1-0 RIGHT NOW in the only game that ultimately matters?

And this year we have proven to be the better team just because we lost 1 GAME on the road in double OT with severe foul trouble by 2 points all the while their best player going off and even hitting his ONLY 3 pointer of the year doesn't mean their better, it means they one A GAME.

this year we've proven to be the better team? Because of two regular season wins? I think it's a laugh to say we've proven anything against a team that has owned us for years and still owned us in a game in which we dominated for the better part of 3.5 quarters, yet still lost.
 

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3 out of 4 Cheese regular season if you want to be accurate Cheese and they weren't all that close either. If Shaq and Amare were not out so much of the game we could have did the same thing that had us a 16 point lead pretty quickly. By the way are you a weird stalker or something do you follow me around just trying to argue with anything I write, seriously your starting to wierd me out? You said yourself we dominated for 3.5 qtrs even with all three Diaw, Stat, Shaq with major foul trouble, and Duncan, Manu, Parker all having about as good of games as a Spurs fan could ever home what did they have 90 between the 3 of them? We didn't play our best and our guys in foul trouble and still dominated 95% of the game. If they have to rely on Duncan shooting threes not to lose THEIR home games in a game where their starters all played well and still got dominated I like our chances.
 

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3 out of 4 Cheese regular season if you want to be accurate Cheese and they weren't all that close either.

we beat them once without Tony Parker with a completely different team, thus I don't see how that game is really relevant. Thus, I look at us beating them 2-0, which was nice, but ultimately means nothing at this point, now does it?

If Shaq and Amare were not out so much of the game we could have did the same thing that had us a 16 point lead pretty quickly.

huh? We could have done "the same thing that got us a 16 point so quickly?" What game were you watching? We were basically tied when Shaq was in the game and then small ball actually pushed the lead to 16. And forgive me if I'm wrong, but Amare played 45 minutes out of 53 (before he took himself out of the game with a horrifically stupid offensive foul). That's when the game was lost and that's still being on the court for a long chunk of time. And what makes you think his foul-prone ass will be able to stay on the court the next game? The guy is a stupid-foul machine who ALWAYS get us into foul trouble.

By the way are you a weird stalker or something do you follow me around just trying to argue with anything I write, seriously your starting to wierd me out?

Just talk basketball man. You say a lot things basketball-wise that I strongly disagree with and I keep my responses to that. I don't get why you have to call me ******** or "a real class act" and then accuse me of being a stalker. Just talk basketball.

You said yourself we dominated for 3.5 qtrs even with all three Diaw, Stat, Shaq with major foul trouble, and Duncan, Manu, Parker all having about as good of games as a Spurs fan could ever home what did they have 90 between the 3 of them?

Manu was 10-24, Parker fouled out and Duncan was, well, Duncan against us. Those guys regularly torch our asses, so what's new? But then you have Amare, who had his best scoring game against the Spurs in 3 years, Nash having a better game than usual scoring and assisting, Raja playing better than his averages and Boris and Leo producing off the bench. The only thing we didn't get was Shaq (this could be difference next game) and Grant Hill producing, but Grant Hill just looks worn down and is hurt, so that's not gonna change. However, do you think we get another 33 point game from Amare? You're so fond of regular season stats as indicators of what will come from here on out right? You know he averaged only 17.5 ppg against them in our 4 meetings? You expect Raja, Boris and Leo to ALL contribute next game?

We didn't play our best and our guys in foul trouble and still dominated 95% of the game. If they have to rely on Duncan shooting threes not to lose THEIR home games in a game where their starters all played well and still got dominated I like our chances.

hey, I hope you're right. I just think that a team that has 8 first quarter turnovers and is down 16 points late in the second quarter probably didn't play their best game. But what do I know? I thought King of Kong was good. :)
 
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This is something I've learned. If it's a clutch situation, never go to Barbosa or Diaw. Go to Bell, Nash or Stoudemire. They are more competitive and that's who you look for. Giraceck might even fill that role, but it's too soon.

I don't think this is Dantoni's fault because often Nash is just out there creating. But from now on, they need specific plays for those 3 guys. I don't think they treat those clutch situations any different and that's why just about anyone can end up shooting the ball.

It's cost us several times in my opinion. To be fair, the Spurms REALLY did get lucky to pull that one out and overall we are the better team and should be okay this series*.

- ROb


So let me see, POPs going to Finley for the 3 was a dumb move, and TD hasnt made a 3pter in 18 months. Sounds like the spurs won by going to the unexpected option at least twice. Going to the heavily defended expected option is often a bad move unless its kobe or lebron. Amare seems to have a turnover/judgement problem at times. When hes confronted by multiple defenders in a critical situation he will either make the shot or lose the ball. he's a little bit too predictable, very unlikely to make them pay for bringing extra help by passing to the open man. I love amare, but he's a little like LB(though way more talented) in that he commits to finishing even when its a bad idea.
 

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Ok Cheese I will play it your way, Duncan does NOT average 40 a game against us nether Parker or Ginobli 25+ each all in the same game. When those guys score over 90 between their big 3 yeah they had a GREAT game. Stat has only played the Spurs a couple of time being able to play PF correct? 3 games I believe and the 1st one was when we first got Shaq the last 2 he pretty much played like Sat. and I do think he was an idiot to charge himself right out of the game which was just one of his many mistakes, him playing some D would help as well. What I am saying is the Suns did not play thier best game could you agree with that? Shaq being in could hace stopped alot of the second chance scoring for them with Shaq getting some of those rebounds. Skinner just played stupid and horrible period. But us having our bigs Diaw, Stat, Shaq enabled them to drive the lane because we could not play aggresive D even if we wanted to, couldn't take the chance and they knew it. All I am saying is if we limit the foul trouble we can dominate them like we did for a good part of the game. I don't expect those three to get 90+ a game sorry just don't see it they put together a great game except for the 1qtr and sqeaked one out in double OT.
 

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