Gonzalez trade

[Matrix31]

Juan Gonzalez that is...Rumored to be to an NL team. Im almost positive it isnt us, but i cant put it past Joe G Jr trading Webb and tearing my heart out...

link

 

[moviegeekjn]

Webb has to be considered untouchable at this point!

 

[Dback Jon]

Joe G is not that stupid to trade the NL ROY!! (I think)

 

[Matrix31]

looking like the Expos. I know Joe G probably wouldnt do that, but he has me worried sometimes. Even if he wanted to you would think that every other person in the organization would be against it.

 

[mark1]

Where did you hear about a Juan Gonzalez trade?

 

[Matrix31]

Link in the first post.

 

[mark1]

No way it's the D-Backs. They would never pick up that contract.

 

[PDXChris]

Originally posted by Dback Jon
Joe G is not that stupid to trade the NL ROY!! (I think)

Dontrel Willis will win it even though Webb is becoming one of my favorite players.

 

[Dback Jon]

Originally posted by bankybruce
Dontrel Willis will win it even though Webb is becoming one of my favorite players.

Dontrel has gone all the pub so far, but other than the won-loss record (which a pitcher really has little control over), their stats are very similar. Still a lot of ball to be played, but no time like the present to start touting Brandon.

 

[Matrix31]

Willis is getting a lot of pub. HIs numbers are fantastic, but from the highlights ive seen his stuff isnt that fantastic. A low 90s fastball with not nearly the same ammount of movement Webb has and i cant imagine his offspeed stuff is much better then Webb's. The main pub he has got is from his delivery with the high leg kick, and i have a feeling that has led to a lot of his success. When new pitchers come a long with and unorthodox delivery they confuse batters at first just because of their delivery. Not saying Willis will get hammered when seen more, but i like Webb's stuff a lot better then what ive seen of Willis. Of course i am extremely biased and havent seen that much of Willis.

 

[RLakin]

Originally posted by mark1
No way it's the D-Backs. They would never pick up that contract.

It's the Expos, but they won't pick up much of Gonzalez's contract, which has one year left. Actually it's a good deal in that way. The D-Backs might have been smart to acquire Gonzalez, but not for Webb. Buck is pretty familiar w/ John Patterson, though. Should this deal not go through (Gonzalez has a no-trade), the D-Backs may want to look into getting that right handed cleanup hitter for a one-year reduced rate. Send Bautista (along w/ Patterson) the other way.

 

[green machine]

Originally posted by RLakin
It's the Expos, but they won't pick up much of Gonzalez's contract, which has one year left. Actually it's a good deal in that way. The D-Backs might have been smart to acquire Gonzalez, but not for Webb. Buck is pretty familiar w/ John Patterson, though. Should this deal not go through (Gonzalez has a no-trade), the D-Backs may want to look into getting that right handed cleanup hitter for a one-year reduced rate. Send Bautista (along w/ Patterson) the other way.

You would only do that if he is the missing piece to a championship puzzle. It's not like Patterson or Bautista make a ton of money, so you wouldn't be taking much off the books.

adam

 

[RLakin]

Originally posted by green machine
You would only do that if he is the missing piece to a championship puzzle. It's not like Patterson or Bautista make a ton of money, so you wouldn't be taking much off the books.

adam

Bautista makes $3 million per year, which is probably half of what the D-Backs would pay for J. Gonzalez this year.
Missing piece? Possibly. Craig Counsell could hit leadoff and play second w/ Spivey moving out to CF. That leaves Finley out, and he makes $4.25 mill this year. Move that salary along w/ Bautista's and you probably pay for Gonzalez's one year ride. Lineup (because I love doing this) then shakes out as follows:

1- Counsell - 2B
2- Cintron - SS
3- L. Gonzalez - LF
4- J. Gonzalez - RF
5- Hillenbrand - 3B
6- Overbay - 1B
7- Spivey - CF
8 - Barajas/Moeller - C

Bench:
1B- Grace
2B/3B/1B- Baerga
OF- McCracken
OF- Dellucci
C- Barajas/Moeller
OF/C/3B - Hammock (after they cut Womack)

 

[RLakin]

Rangers agree with Expos on Gonzalez trade
06/25/2003

By SEAN HORGAN / The Dallas Morning News


ARLINGTON - The Rangers have agreed in principle on a trade that would send outfielder Juan Gonzalez to Montreal Expos for at least two players and possibly three, according to baseball sources.

The Rangers have made no secret - and their record certainly bears it out - of their need for pitching. Two Montreal prospects they may have zeroed in on are right-handed pitchers Chris Young and Josh Karp.

Young, a 24-year-old, 6-10 right-hander who played basketball at Princeton, is a native of Dallas. He was 11-9, 3.11 last season at Class A Hickory. This season, he was 4-1, 1.22 at Class A Brevard County before being promoted June 1 to Double-A Harrisburg.

Karp, 23, is a 6-5 right-hander. He was 7-5, 3.84 last season at Double-A Harrisburg and 4-1, 1.59 at Class a Brevard. This season he is 2-1, 3.86 at Double-A Harrisburg.

The deal is contingent on approval by Gonzalez, who has a full no-trade clause in his contract and can block any deal.

The Rangers made an unusual move before Tuesday's game with the Oakland A's by announcing the deal in principle - without giving any hint of where Gonzalez might be headed - and saying the only thing standing in the way of its consummation is Gonzalez's approval.

Gonzalez declined comment.

"I'm not talking to you guys," he said angrily to a writer form The Morning News.

Montreal Expos general manager Omar Minaya did not immediately return phone calls.

One source with knowledge of the deal confirmed the other party is a National League club.

Another baseball source confirmed it is the Expos.

The deal makes sense for the Expos on several fronts. With right fielder Vladimir Guerrero out, they need an outfielder with punch. They also play a good portion of the games in Puerto Rico, where Gonzalez is a revered baseball figure on the same plane as Roberto Clemente and Orlando Cepeda.

Gonzalez makes $12.5 million this year, so the Expos would be on the hook for about $6.2 million, plus the $4.5 million Gonzalez has deferred at 2.5 percent.

That means the cash-strapped Expos would have to dump some salary on the Rangers in the players they send to Texas.

That could be catcher Michael Barrett, who makes $2.6 million this year and has become expendable with the emergence of Brian Schneider.

 

[schillingfan]

Gonzalez pulled the plug on the trade apparently, as he has a no-trade clause. At this point it's on hold, though they are meeting tomorrow to talk about it.

Actually, my hot pick for rookie of the year isn't Webb, but Alex Cintron. He's batting over .300 now with 7 home runs.

 

[moviegeekjn]

Originally posted by schillingfan

Actually, my hot pick for rookie of the year isn't Webb, but Alex Cintron. He's batting over .300 now with 7 home runs.

I said much the same at the park tonight after Alex hit the bomb, and a longtime fan said that Alex wouldn't be eligible (like Spivey last year) because he had played with the team too much in previous years... Anyone know what the rule is on this?

 

[AZZenny]

GMTA - leaving the ballpark, I was wondering when any buzz for Alex as ROY would start to pick up.

You know, I hereafter take Tommy Jones' comments as near gospel. Early this season he said he knew people in the organization even found it hard to believe when he told them, but Alex had changed from a decent utility guy to a high-caliber major league shortstop with both average and power.

He never sugar coats. So when he said Chad Tracy might be eyeing Overbay's job and Lyle knows it, my antennae went up. He still really likes Tim Olson (who I thought looked almost as strong as Hammock in AZFL). He said Terrero is not quite ready. That Brian Bruney probably will be ready before September. That Billy Martin and Craig Ansman just impress him tremendously - that Capuano will be excellent again by the end of the summer. That Patterson has to prove himself now.

 

[PDXChris]

Originally posted by moviegeekjn
I said much the same at the park tonight after Alex hit the bomb, and a longtime fan said that Alex wouldn't be eligible (like Spivey last year) because he had played with the team too much in previous years... Anyone know what the rule is on this?

Eligibility requirements were set forth in 1971 and a rookie was formally defined as a player with less than 130 at-bats, a pitcher with less than 50 innings pitched, or anyone with less than 45 days on any Major League roster.
TM G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BBSOSBCS AVG OBP SLG OPS
2001 Ari 8 7 0 2 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .286 .286 .571 .857
2002 Ari 38 75 11 16 6 0 0 4 12 13 0 0 .213 .322 .293 .615
2003 Ari 36 135 27 44 11 1 7 23 9 7 0 0 .326 .367 .578 .945
Total -- 82 217 38 62 17 2 7 27 21 20 0 0 .286 .349 .479 .828

He played in 46 gmaes in 01, and 02 so there goes that idea

 

[mark1]

Originally posted by AZZenny

He never sugar coats. So when he said Chad Tracy might be eyeing Overbay's job and Lyle knows it, my antennae went up.

AZZENNY

When did Tommy Jones say that? I must have missed it