Lefty
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Can he ever take the ball up with authority and jam it? He was terrible in the 4th quarter against the Bucks. They need to trade him.
Gortat has to be the softest player in the NBA
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That was his first really bad game like in a month or so. That team just sucks. No matter if Gortat is playing soft, Dragic loose his head or Beasley... yeah Beasley is doing whatever he wants to call basketball. Maybe trading Gortat/Dragic/Dudley/any other roster player would change everything but I don`t believe that. This season will be long and so not shining.
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As far as I'm concerned softness is determined on the defensive end - I don't really give a rat's patoot how he shoots as long as doesn't get blocked too often and shoots a high percentage. He's not exactly a rock on defense but he's probably the closest thing to it that we've ever had at center, except for Mark West - who had trouble staying on the floor and scoring a significant amount.
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Gortat never deserved the nickname "Hammer", he was always a "Ballerina".
And at the same time Lopez is putting up like 13/6 in 26mpg? for a better team.
And at the same time Lopez is putting up like 13/6 in 26mpg? for a better team.
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That is some serious number rounding in Robin's favor. I do not and will not ever miss Robin, dumb player with bricks for hands who cant rebound.
I think the Suns should be seriously shopping Gortat his value as a trade piece outweighs his value on the court both now and in the future, but Robin had ran his course here and is not missed, at least by me.
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Robin Lopez leads the Hornets in
FG%
BPG
FT%
11.6ppg 5.7rpg 1.8bpg 0.8apg 55.3%FG 26mpg PER20+
Gortat
11.6ppg 9.0rpg 1.9bpg 1.3apg 52.5%FG 32.1mpg PER16+
Lopez is outplaying Gortat, period.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Gortat is 17th in the league with FG %, Lopez 6th. But then :
Gortat:
--> 17th in the league in rebounds,
--> 10th in blocks per game
--> 7th in def rebounds,
--> 13th in total rebounds,
--> 8th in blocks,
--> 20th in double-doubles,
all of that in his worst season ever in one of the most pathetic teams in the history of Suns.
Meanwhile Lopez is 12th in blocks per game, 10th in blocks and that`s pretty much all.
Both of them are playing for bad teams but Gortat at least proved that if he has some good roster around he can be beast. Lopez did not.
Gortat:
--> 17th in the league in rebounds,
--> 10th in blocks per game
--> 7th in def rebounds,
--> 13th in total rebounds,
--> 8th in blocks,
--> 20th in double-doubles,
all of that in his worst season ever in one of the most pathetic teams in the history of Suns.
Meanwhile Lopez is 12th in blocks per game, 10th in blocks and that`s pretty much all.
Both of them are playing for bad teams but Gortat at least proved that if he has some good roster around he can be beast. Lopez did not.
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Like when Lopez had 30+ against the Clippers something Gortat never achieved despite many more opportunities?
There is a difference of 4 PER between them that is astronomical in favor for lopez.
Not to mention how much younger Lopez is. The Suns should have traded away Gortat for a good pick instead of letting Lopez go for a bad pick.
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Gortat, when he came here, didn't seem to be afraid to dunk over people.
He became pretty soft after he spent the summer with Olajuwon.
carey
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Just wondering if you watched that game like I did. Iirc, he was on fire from outside and almost all his points were jumpers. He's still an awful rebounder. He still has bad hands. I couldn't stand to see him in a Suns uni, and it's getting that way for me with Gortat too. He gets absolutely shut down by anyone as tall as he is, I almost feel bad for him.
And don't worry, we'll still be trading Gortat, probably soon too.
elindholm
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He seemed soft from the beginning, to me, and I wasn't the only one. This thread from two years ago:
http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f7/knicks-suns-1-7-11-a-162252.html
includes a lot of griping about Gortat's inability to finish at the rim. Slinslin coined the nickname "The Polish Layup" and it stuck.
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Who cares, Lopez has ALWAYS been a more efficient offensive player than Gortat, always.
Even last year he was vastly more efficient offensively than Gortat when you compare the numbers played with Nash on the court.
Lopez is the typical example of the usual Suns scapegoat. Apparently our fanbase always needs someone to absurdly hate beyond reason.
The Hornets made a good signing. Lopez is an "ok" starting center in the NBA. Nothing special but absolutely worth the money.
And the Suns are losing out totally while Gortat's value went down the drain as anyone could have expected without Nash to feed him.
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Slinslin, you are truly hilarious. You should have your own show.
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Soft or not, Gortat is still better than Lopez by a mile.
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I think the only time Slin ever saw Robin Lopez was his one competent game against the Clips.
Imagine if he saw Tony Delk drop 50 against the Kings!
Imagine if he saw Tony Delk drop 50 against the Kings!
elindholm
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I take it you guys don't watch the Hornets much. Lopez is a factor more often than not for them. He hangs around the basket on both ends of the floor, is pretty good at patrolling the defensive paint, and waits for easy opportunities on offense. He doesn't get many defensive rebounds because he's so slow to get off his feet, but he blocks out pretty well (much better than Stoudemire, for example), so he contributes to the team defensive rebounding effort even if he isn't the one who makes the catch. Yes, of course he's flawed, but so is Gortat, and working around Lopez's flaws is easier than working around Gortat's.
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I watch them all the time. And you're right in so much as all he does is box out. Often so far out the lane is wide open for an offensive rebound or putback. I think people are seeing what they want to see at this point. I think he's still horrible.
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Bad hands, bad defense, bad rebounding. New Orleans has far better offensive spacing than we do, I cant imagine Lopez doing well offensively here with the miserable ball movement and spacing we have.
Lopez is better at finishing at the rim, he will actually go up and put it down, Gortat has turned into a real pune in that department. But in all other aspects I'd take Gortat in a landslide.
And even so, I am not particularly fond of either one. If we dont move Gortat before the deadline I will be disappointed.
Lopez is better at finishing at the rim, he will actually go up and put it down, Gortat has turned into a real pune in that department. But in all other aspects I'd take Gortat in a landslide.
And even so, I am not particularly fond of either one. If we dont move Gortat before the deadline I will be disappointed.
It's not even close. I am telling you, trade for Lopez (eeeeek!) and put Gortat on that team. He would make Lopez look silly.
I don't know why you guys are arguing over who is better, Gortat or Lopez. That's like arguing about whether its better to cough up blood, or pee it out. They're all bloody waste.
Still, there is a key difference between the two players that, if I had to choose one, would make me choose Lopez 10 times out of 10 over Marshmellow Gortwat. When Robin Lopez plays well, it's his fault. He's playing with energy, focus, not-entirely-reckless abandon, and putting himself in position to maybe get a lucky bounce here and there. When Gortwat plays well, it's because the other team looked past the Suns game to their next opponent and took most of the game off. See, both players have good games and bad games, but with Lopez, it's because he's inconsistent; with Gortwat, it's because somebody else decided to make him play poorly. The game HAPPENS to Gortwat.
I know it seems ridiculously stupid now, but there were people last season who blamed Marshmellow's pathetic level of play later in the season on him being tired. Obviously, the real problem was that the Suns were in the playoff hunt, other teams were in the playoff hunt or jockeying for positioning, and they elevated their games. Add that to the fact that Nash got Gortwat on other team's scouting reports, and the easy finger rolls turned into missed opportunities late in games.
Now, imagine G-**** in a playoff series.
Still, there is a key difference between the two players that, if I had to choose one, would make me choose Lopez 10 times out of 10 over Marshmellow Gortwat. When Robin Lopez plays well, it's his fault. He's playing with energy, focus, not-entirely-reckless abandon, and putting himself in position to maybe get a lucky bounce here and there. When Gortwat plays well, it's because the other team looked past the Suns game to their next opponent and took most of the game off. See, both players have good games and bad games, but with Lopez, it's because he's inconsistent; with Gortwat, it's because somebody else decided to make him play poorly. The game HAPPENS to Gortwat.
I know it seems ridiculously stupid now, but there were people last season who blamed Marshmellow's pathetic level of play later in the season on him being tired. Obviously, the real problem was that the Suns were in the playoff hunt, other teams were in the playoff hunt or jockeying for positioning, and they elevated their games. Add that to the fact that Nash got Gortwat on other team's scouting reports, and the easy finger rolls turned into missed opportunities late in games.
Now, imagine G-**** in a playoff series.
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I, too, am disappointed in Gortat's performance this season. But I think he is a perfectionist and is disappointed in the dysfunctional combination of players around him, and that affects his performance. If you're not a guy who thinks more with his heart than his head, you really wouldn't understand.
But to give an opinion that it was "ridiculously stupid" to blame his decline last season on being tired vs. the fact that he sat on the bench for the first half of each half, then played for 18 consecutive minutes (while his opposing Centers -- all of them -- rested after each twelve minutes of playing), so Lopez could gain confidence by remaining in the starting lineup . . . is just that. An opinion disregarding the facts.
Gortat doesn't have the monster strength to be the only player in the game playing 18 straight minutes, game after game, until Lopez showed that he was just not up to being a starter.
