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they need to try and acquire a few hitters. He called out Q, Conor and Drew.
Grace just said if by All-Star break the D'Backs are still not hitting
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Meh, if they can get something for Byrnes and/or Tracy I say go for it, but there is no reason to ship one of the young guys, just to be good enough to narrowly miss the playoffs, or make the playoffs and get swept in the first round.
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Good idea on paper, but who will be available? Mike Sweeney? Hank Blalock? Dmitri Young? Reggie Sanders? The big names (Manny, Cabrera, Aramis) are pipe dreams.
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I would be open to Sweeney although the Royals wouldn't take Tracy (loaded at 3rd with Teahen and Gordon). Also, I'm not so sure I'd trade Cojack for and aging vet no matter how bad he's struggling.
I'm the most worried about Q. He hacks at everything, it's very painful to watch. He better start getting more comfortable/productive at the plate or Tucson could be his next road trip
the Royals are my AL team, so Ive seen a fair amount of Sweeney, I promise you he isn't the answer. He's constantly injured, and even when he's not, he's no great shakes. At this point he's a DH guy at best.
Though I do think the Royals would take Tracy, they could move him to 1st base. But if we had CoJack and Sweeney, we'd have no one to play 3rd (unless Callaspo's legal troubles get worked out) and then we'd have an aging 1st baseman blocking CoJacks development, no thanks.
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We wouldn't have to give up Tracy or any major leaguer for Sweeney, his contract is toxic and he hasn't been able to take the field on a regular basis since 2005 (and when he has managed to get into the lineup he's been terrible). There's honestly nobody really out there unless Griffey and the Reds decide to part ways and even then I'm guessing he forces his way somewhere other than AZ.
I'm not that worried about it yet mostly because the only realistic names won't take this team to the next level and these guys have proven both here and throughout the minors that they're better hitters than this.
I'm not that worried about it yet mostly because the only realistic names won't take this team to the next level and these guys have proven both here and throughout the minors that they're better hitters than this.
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I'm starting to think that D'backs managment didn't care about this season and was really banking on 2008 as their year to make a move. They are still in relative debt this season and with their new plans they get a little breathing room next season.
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I agree, they have admitted it without saying so. The FO has said multiple times that they are a couple FA periods away from being able to sign an impact free agent. Until then, we have to hope some of these guys can figure it out and make an impact. To be completely honest, I have no problem with them erasing the deferred payments but I hope that when the time comes Kendrick will open his wallet.
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How about we try and acquire a new manager?
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BC867
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Don't have to try. Don't have to acquire one.
There are two in a D'backs uniform standing by.
Diamondback Jay
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Bruce Jacobs suggested that Mark Texieria (sic) could be had for the right price tag.
I'd not at all be against getting Tex, but with his pending free agency, I'd advance with reluctance.
I'd not at all be against getting Tex, but with his pending free agency, I'd advance with reluctance.
I like Mark Texieria all right, but he's already making 9 million this year, and if he's going to be a free agent like you said, it seems to risky. I think the Dbacks honestly need to just go with (once healthy) the:
CF C Young
SS S Drew
2b O Hudson
LF E Byrnes
3B C Tracy
1B C Jackson
RF C Quentin
C S Snyder
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line up (or something similar) and just ride it out the rest of the year. I don't mind the losing as long as young guys are getting playing time, learning and showing actual signs of improvement.
CF C Young
SS S Drew
2b O Hudson
LF E Byrnes
3B C Tracy
1B C Jackson
RF C Quentin
C S Snyder
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line up (or something similar) and just ride it out the rest of the year. I don't mind the losing as long as young guys are getting playing time, learning and showing actual signs of improvement.
Look, there is absolutely no power in that lineup
And your point is.....?
Who in that line up is tradable, that would actually bring in something useful? Anyone the Dbacks have that could net some power they don't want to trade because they are the future. Anyone they would consider trading isn't good enough to bring in anything worth while, or what they could bring in would probably come with bad contract baggage. The Dbacks probably just have to sit tight this year, ride it out with what they have, and hope the youngsters do well.
But if you have suggestions for who the Dbacks are going to move in order to get some power, I'd love to hear them. I just don't see it happening.
Diamondback Jay
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Let's just put it this way.. This group of young, "powerless" guns are currently a game out of 1st in the NL West and 5 games above .500.
I'd rather ride this record, push for a playoff birth and give these young kids time to grow in to something more (I'm almost certain that one of these guys are going to develop in to a nice power hitter) than I would rather see the D-Backs get desperate, give up two or three very good cogs for the future and wind up getting half a season of Mark Texieria or someone else. I don't think the Snakes are in "desperate measures" mode and shouldn't react as such.
As I said, if there's a guarantee Texieria could be signed long term, perhaps make that move. However, otherwise don't make one just for the sake of making one. As the old saying goes, if it ain't broke...
I'd rather ride this record, push for a playoff birth and give these young kids time to grow in to something more (I'm almost certain that one of these guys are going to develop in to a nice power hitter) than I would rather see the D-Backs get desperate, give up two or three very good cogs for the future and wind up getting half a season of Mark Texieria or someone else. I don't think the Snakes are in "desperate measures" mode and shouldn't react as such.
As I said, if there's a guarantee Texieria could be signed long term, perhaps make that move. However, otherwise don't make one just for the sake of making one. As the old saying goes, if it ain't broke...
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Oh and one more thing... I realize after 2004, it's difficult to buy in to the young guns plan. Trust me, as much as anything else, it's understandable to procede with caution.
However, when you look at 2004 and you look at 2007, you're looking at 2 totally different animals. Let's face it, and let's be honest with ourselves.. The "young guns" of 2004 was more or less a bucket full of Fool's Gold. Do any of you think that anyone on that '04 team was considered a legitimate five-tool player (with perhaps the exception of Scott Hairston, which even that can be debated)? You can't say that about the '07 team, which seems full of the young guns who can make long term impacts on this team. Granted, not all of them are going to, and the 5 tool stuff can often times be overrated, but amongst all else, I honestly can say I have hope for this team for the year '07 and beyond. I COULDN'T say the same for the '04 team.
However, when you look at 2004 and you look at 2007, you're looking at 2 totally different animals. Let's face it, and let's be honest with ourselves.. The "young guns" of 2004 was more or less a bucket full of Fool's Gold. Do any of you think that anyone on that '04 team was considered a legitimate five-tool player (with perhaps the exception of Scott Hairston, which even that can be debated)? You can't say that about the '07 team, which seems full of the young guns who can make long term impacts on this team. Granted, not all of them are going to, and the 5 tool stuff can often times be overrated, but amongst all else, I honestly can say I have hope for this team for the year '07 and beyond. I COULDN'T say the same for the '04 team.
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Personally, I'd move Chad Tracy to 1B when he returns and trade Conor Jackson.
Jackson seems to have the Travis Lee syndrome -- don't talk too loud, you make wake him up. You can't teach drive and ambition.
Reynolds certainly can't keep up the .400+ pace he has started with, but he is an RBI machine, and that's what the D'backs need in the lineup every day.
You can't get far with a lineup filled with just OBP hitters.
It's nice to have a choice. I choose Reynolds over Jackson.
Besides, he's played 1B, 2B, SS, 3B and LF. And his fielding (despite throwing problems earlier in the Minors) appears to be more solid than Jackson.
Jackson seems to have the Travis Lee syndrome -- don't talk too loud, you make wake him up. You can't teach drive and ambition.
Reynolds certainly can't keep up the .400+ pace he has started with, but he is an RBI machine, and that's what the D'backs need in the lineup every day.
You can't get far with a lineup filled with just OBP hitters.
It's nice to have a choice. I choose Reynolds over Jackson.
Besides, he's played 1B, 2B, SS, 3B and LF. And his fielding (despite throwing problems earlier in the Minors) appears to be more solid than Jackson.
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Trading Conor Jackson because of what Reynolds has done in a couple of weeks would be a tragic mistake.
You are right. All these prospects are rated so highly for a reason. Where the Baby Bax of '04 supposed to be this good? I don't remember this much hype for those players, just a lot of excitement after a little bit of success.
We have the #1 rated farm system right now in the league so I have faith that they will turn out to be pretty good. They'll make a push for the playoffs and hopefully during the off-season we can make some nice moves and make a serious run.
This off-season the team should have more spending money, right? Not in as much debt as we have been. I don't think there's a huge need for power either. I think Young and Quentin can develop some pretty good power and Upton has hit 5 home runs in 12 minor league games I think they said today.
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Where will Upton play in the bigs though? Our LF of the future (Gonzalez) is in AA ball right now as well, Quentin is solid and RF, and Young in Center. I keep saying they need to possibly move Upton back to the infield (specifically, third) so that he'll have a chance to play (the Dbacks can move Tracy). Though I suppose they'll keep both Upton and Gonzalez in the outfield until they figure out who they like less. Then they'll let one of them mire and go to waste in a Scott Hariston kind of way.
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Chances are pretty high that Upton will make it to the big leagues before Gonzalez will.
You have to be patient for power. That's the last thing that develops for young hitters. That guy that hits 20 right now might never break 20, but the guy that hits 8 this year might be a 35/100 RBI guy in two years.
I would be dead-set against renting a vet hitter just to make a run at the playoffs. The front office would have to be seeing red ink for miles to trade away youth right now. They brought them up. Did they expect to get a go-to RBI guy in the first three months? I hope not. They had to know they were going to scratch out runs.
The time to bring in a vet hitter was the previous off-season, when they were facing a lot of roster holes and the notion of exposing a lot of young guys to positions requiring production.
I would be dead-set against renting a vet hitter just to make a run at the playoffs. The front office would have to be seeing red ink for miles to trade away youth right now. They brought them up. Did they expect to get a go-to RBI guy in the first three months? I hope not. They had to know they were going to scratch out runs.
The time to bring in a vet hitter was the previous off-season, when they were facing a lot of roster holes and the notion of exposing a lot of young guys to positions requiring production.
Gonzalez over Upton? I've heard more about Upton and great things about Upton. I think he'll be in the outfield with Young and Quentin. But aren't they close to losing him? Who were they talking about during yesterday's game, the person they had to sign? If we lose him, we have a back-up plan. If we keep him, we can use one to trade for a young starting pitcher, which we need more of.
^I dont know what you are talking about in reference to losing someone, I didnt see yesterdays game. Upton is playing CF (a spot in the bigs which is currently locked down for the next 5-10 years most likely) and Gonzalez is supposed to be more of a corner outfielder. I've heard some say Gonzalez has tremendous, "Albert Puljous" type power, which is true would be just what this club needs. But people also compare Upton to Jr Griffey, so obviously, both of these guys have a great ceilings, as do Quentin and Young, so if they all pan out, we need to find a way to use all 4 of them. To me, the best thing to do would be to move Tracy (Im talking down the line here, not now) and put Upton at third...but who knows, maybe Mark Reynolds is the real deal?
I guess the Dbacks just have too much young talent!
I guess the Dbacks just have too much young talent!
