Grace should go

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On the previous thread I saw some comments about Grace's value to the team in the context of his personality. This sentiment has been echoed more than once by those in the media (including Gary Cruz on our show Sat.). What you have to remember, though, is that many of the people on radio and television aren't indebted to Grace because of the wonderful spokesman he has been for this team. You can always get a good sound bite out of "Gracie," and he makes the jobs of those covering the D-Backs that much easier. It's called buying "protection" from the media, a concept explained to me by Skip Bayless. Skip saw this happen in Chicago w/ Grace and in Dallas w/ Emmitt Smith. Those guys were beloved by fans and media members in both of those respective cities and, as a result, you probably wouldn't see many columns or news stories questioning their value as it pertains to the specific sport that they participated in. Or their value to that specific team.
Grace's on-field value to the 2003 Arizona Diamondbacks is hardly noteworthy. He plays one position, hits from one side of the plate, has little power, and almost no speed. He’s barely hitting over .200 and Lyle Overbay has even supplanted him as the best defensive 1st baseman on the roster.
Given all this, I don't see a persuasive baseball argument that can legitimately contend that Grace is one of the 25 best players in the Arizona Diamondbacks organization. All I know and seem to hear, is that he’s one of the 25 best human beings. I’m sorry to say it, but that means little to a team trying to win baseball games.
 

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I couldn't agree more. You said it very well. This team cannot afford a roster spot for Mark Grace. Grace should see the writing on the wall and bow out.
 

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This is why you keep Grace:

"I've been fighting myself. I was playing in Boston, trying to do their program and hit the way they wanted. I finally got to the point here where I'm around a lot of seasoned players who are great resources, like Mark Grace, who wanted me to say that so I did. He got me to widen my stance."
 

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While I agree with RLakin that Gracie might not be one of the 25 best palyers on the roster at this time, he more than makes up for it in other, more important, areas. They will find a way to keep him on the roster for the rest of the season.
 

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Originally posted by WizardOfAz
While I agree with RLakin that Gracie might not be one of the 25 best palyers on the roster at this time, he more than makes up for it in other, more important, areas. They will find a way to keep him on the roster for the rest of the season.

He can be on the disabled list for the rest of the season and still be in the dugout.

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Originally posted by az240zz
He can be on the disabled list for the rest of the season and still be in the dugout.

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Will he still be allowed to practice?
 

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Originally posted by arthurracoon
This is why you keep Grace:
"I've been fighting myself. I was playing in Boston, trying to do their program and hit the way they wanted. I finally got to the point here where I'm around a lot of seasoned players who are great resources, like Mark Grace, who wanted me to say that so I did. He got me to widen my stance."
I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

If Robin Yount does not want to be our batting coach, let's move Gracie there. Now!

It seems that everyone except Dwayne Murphy is being credited with helping younger hitters find the right batting stance!
 

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Then we saw in Thursday's Republic that, even though the writer was lobbying for keeping Gracie on the roster, Mark referred to himself as "an extra Coach" and, at times, even asked Brenly to NOT put him in the lineup, in place of the younger guys.

It seems that Mark Grace has a better grasp on the situation than the sportswriter (despite his good intentions).

"An extra Coach" . . . now, there's an idea!:D
 

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Originally posted by az240zz
He can be on the disabled list for the rest of the season and still be in the dugout.
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I'm sensing a nasty recurrance of that toe injury from last year springing up again...
 
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Originally posted by BC867
Then we saw in Thursday's Republic that, even though the writer was lobbying for keeping Gracie on the roster, Mark referred to himself as "an extra Coach" and, at times, even asked Brenly to NOT put him in the lineup, in place of the younger guys.

It seems that Mark Grace has a better grasp on the situation than the sportswriter (despite his good intentions).


It's a typical response from the Phx media. Like I said at the top of this thread, nobody in this media market will call for Grace's departure.

A) They like him.
B) He makes their job easier
C) They don't have the guts
 
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Originally posted by WizardOfAz
So, who should go?

Others on this board want it to be Lyle, which, I suppose, would have to be balanced with a willingness to keep Grace around, no?

Probably. And after watching Overbay this weekend, I wouldn't really blame them. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Overbay went down and the D-Backs went with an infield of Counsell (3B). Cintron (SS), Spivey (2B), and Hillenbrand (1B). One thing is for sure, though. Cintron needs to play everyday. No more Bob Brenly rotational specials. Leave Tony Womack on the bench and keep this young infield together. On an everyday basis.
 

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Originally posted by RLakin
Probably. And after watching Overbay this weekend, I wouldn't really blame them. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Overbay went down and the D-Backs went with an infield of Counsell (3B). Cintron (SS), Spivey (2B), and Hillenbrand (1B). One thing is for sure, though. Cintron needs to play everyday. No more Bob Brenly rotational specials. Leave Tony Womack on the bench and keep this young infield together. On an everyday basis.

You don't leave Womack on the bench. You leave him off of the roster. He has no value to this team at all.
 

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