Had Catman made the NE & Sea FG's ...Playoff tiebreaker scenario

[sundevil04]

Had Catman made those two (very makeable) game winning kicks, we would be in a 3 way tie for the 6th seed at 9-7 with Tampa & the loser of tonight's GB/Det game. We would likely be watching the GB/Det game tonight rooting for one team or the other based on which ones gives us the tie breaker to get in.

http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures

Three or More Clubs
(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.)

1. Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.
2. Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in conference games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
12. Coin toss

When the first Wild-Card team has been identified, the procedure is repeated to name the second Wild-Card, i.e., eliminate all but the highest-ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. In situations where three or more teams from the same division are involved in the procedure, the original seeding of the teams remains the same for subsequent applications of the tie breaker if the top-ranked team in that division qualifies for a Wild-Card berth.

OTHER TIE-BREAKING PROCEDURES

1. Only one club advances to the playoffs in any tie-breaking step. Remaining tied clubs revert to the first step of the applicable division or Wild Card tie-breakers. As an example, if two clubs remain tied in any tie-breaker step after all other clubs have been eliminated, the procedure reverts to Step 1 of the two-club format to determine the winner. When one club wins the tiebreaker, all other clubs revert to Step 1 of the applicable two-club or three-club format.
2. In comparing records against common opponents among tied teams, the best won-lost-tied percentage is the deciding factor, since teams may have played an unequal number of games.
3. To determine home-field priority among division-titlists, apply Wild Card tie-breakers.
4. To determine home-field priority for Wild Card qualifiers, apply division tie-breakers (if teams are from the same division) or Wild Card tiebreakers (if teams are from different divisions).
5. To determine the best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed, add a team's position in the two categories, and the lowest score wins. For example, if Team A is first in points scored and second in points allowed, its combined ranking is "3." If Team B is third in points scored and first in points allowed, its combined ranking is "4." Team A then wins the tiebreaker. If two teams are tied for a position, both teams are awarded the ranking as if they held it solely. For example, if Team A and Team B are tied for first in points scored, each team is assigned a ranking of "1" in that category, and if Team C is third, its ranking will still be "3."

 

[sundevil04]

The way I understand the 3 way tiebreaker for a wildcard spot, we would be in at 9-7 over TB & GB & Det no matter who wins tonight.

We're 1-0 vs the other two, whereas none of the others played. We have the same conference record as the other two, but a better division record.

Looks like those two misses were the difference between playoffs and no playoffs.

 

[Buckybird]

If #90 would've sacked Ben Ben on the 1 yard line on 2nd & 20 we would've bee SB 43 champs as well lol

 

[NJCardFan]

Let's be more specific. With our final record being 7-8-1, this is "what could have been" week to week:

Week 1-Cat makes FG: 1-0
Week 2-We win in a blowout: 2-0
Week 3-Blowout loss where 1 play going differently wouldn't matter: 2-1
Week 4-ST don't give up a big punt return and shut the Lambs down on that drive: 3-1
Week 5-Blowout win 4-1
Week 6- Blowout win 5-1
Week 7-Cat doesn't shank chip shot FG(or a number of other plays like Earl Thomas catching DJ at the 1):6-1
Week 8-Taking away the forward pass hitting the ground called a fumble, I'll give this one to Carolina: 6-2
Week 9-Win: 7-2
Week 10-No Palmer pick 6 and no kickoff for a TD: 8-2
Week 11-Get man handled by a good Atlanta team: 8-3
Week 12-Win 9-3
Week 13-Comeback in Miami and we're able to stop a mediocre QB and we win: 10-3
Week 14-Cards defense can't stop Brees: 10-4
Week 15-Win: 11-4
Week 16-Win 12-4

We're basically 5 or 6 plays from getting 2nd seed. Seriously. But such is life.

 

[pemory09]

Let's be more specific. With our final record being 7-8-1, this is "what could have been" week to week:

Week 1-Cat makes FG: 1-0
Week 2-We win in a blowout: 2-0
Week 3-Blowout loss where 1 play going differently wouldn't matter: 2-1
Week 4-ST don't give up a big punt return and shut the Lambs down on that drive: 3-1
Week 5-Blowout win 4-1
Week 6- Blowout win 5-1
Week 7-Cat doesn't shank chip shot FG(or a number of other plays like Earl Thomas catching DJ at the 1):6-1
Week 8-Taking away the forward pass hitting the ground called a fumble, I'll give this one to Carolina: 6-2
Week 9-Win: 7-2
Week 10-No Palmer pick 6 and no kickoff for a TD: 8-2
Week 11-Get man handled by a good Atlanta team: 8-3
Week 12-Win 9-3
Week 13-Comeback in Miami and we're able to stop a mediocre QB and we win: 10-3
Week 14-Cards defense can't stop Brees: 10-4
Week 15-Win: 11-4
Week 16-Win 12-4

We're basically 5 or 6 plays from getting 2nd seed. Seriously. But such is life.

That 9-7 is even more exasperating when you consider that, in 2013, the Cards went 10-6 and didn't qualify for the playoffs. And, of course, Dallas secured the #1 seed with a 13-3 record this year, Seattle was NFC #1 is 2013 (at 13-3) and 2014 (at 12-4), while our glorious 2015 earned but a 2-seed. Sometimes ya gotta be lucky as well as good.

 

[TheCardinal]

The way I understand the 3 way tiebreaker for a wildcard spot, we would be in at 9-7 over TB & GB & Det no matter who wins tonight.

We're 1-0 vs the other two, whereas none of the others played. We have the same conference record as the other two, but a better division record.

Looks like those two misses were the difference between playoffs and no playoffs.

The tie-breaker would go a bit differently. In a 3-way tie, head-to-head only applies if there is a "sweep" with one team beating the other two or having been beaten by the other two. Since neither the Packers nor Lions played TB or AZ, our win over the Bucs doesn't factor in. Division records are irrelevant when breaking cross-division ties and are not used.

Next would be conference record which is tied.

Next is record in common games, minimum of four (not enough to meet this requirement).

Finally we have strength of victory. If Detroit loses to go 9-7, it would be Cardinals (63.5 wins) in over Bucs (62) and Lions (51.5). If Green Bay was to lose to go 9-7, it would be Packers (64 wins) in over Cards (63.5) and Bucs (62).

So, if you change our NE and Seattle outcomes, we would be rooting for the Packers to beat Detroit tonight, if my calculations above are correct.

 

[Shaggy]

The tie-breaker would go a bit differently. In a 3-way tie, head-to-head only applies if there is a "sweep" with one team beating the other two or having been beaten by the other two. Since neither the Packers nor Lions played TB or AZ, our win over the Bucs doesn't factor in. Division records are irrelevant when breaking cross-division ties and are not used.

Next would be conference record which is tied.

Next is record in common games, minimum of four (not enough to meet this requirement).

Finally we have strength of victory. If Detroit loses to go 9-7, it would be Cardinals (63.5 wins) in over Bucs (62) and Lions (51.5). If Green Bay was to lose to go 9-7, it would be Packers (64 wins) in over Cards (63.5) and Bucs (62).

So, if you change our NE and Seattle outcomes, we would be rooting for the Packers to beat Detroit tonight, if my calculations above are correct.

Where do you get the 64,63.5, and so on wins?

 

[TheCardinal]

Where do you get the 64,63.5, and so on wins?

I added up the wins of the teams who were beaten by each squad. The Patriots would have one less win and the Seahawks with 0.5 less due to the adjustments of us having won those games instead of what actually happened. I didn't recheck my math though.

 

[Reign Blood]

No sense arguing a moot point. We didn't get in but hey we need to fire someone.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Had Neil Neil O'Donoghue made that kick against the Redskins in '84 when we also had two guys in double sack totals, with our high flying offense... never mind, because then we have that Giant game on Monday Night where he missed three lol

 

[TJ]

The NE kick was not a chip shot. 47 yards with an f'd up snap/hold might as well be 63 yards with perfect conditions. That's on the rookie LS, whose name slips my mind because he doesn't deserve to have his name remembered.

It's games like the first Rams game with how we weren't able to complete drives and others in which our special teams was crap that really make my blood boil.

 

[sundevil04]

The tie-breaker would go a bit differently. In a 3-way tie, head-to-head only applies if there is a "sweep" with one team beating the other two or having been beaten by the other two. Since neither the Packers nor Lions played TB or AZ, our win over the Bucs doesn't factor in. Division records are irrelevant when breaking cross-division ties and are not used.

Next would be conference record which is tied.

Next is record in common games, minimum of four (not enough to meet this requirement).

Finally we have strength of victory. If Detroit loses to go 9-7, it would be Cardinals (63.5 wins) in over Bucs (62) and Lions (51.5). If Green Bay was to lose to go 9-7, it would be Packers (64 wins) in over Cards (63.5) and Bucs (62).

So, if you change our NE and Seattle outcomes, we would be rooting for the Packers to beat Detroit tonight, if my calculations above are correct.

So with that GB win, we'd be celebrating a playoff birth right now. Heading to Seattle next week

 

[TheCardinal]

So with that GB win, we'd be celebrating a playoff birth right now. Heading to Seattle next week

Almost. . .
Assuming everything else played out the way it did, we'd be celebrating the playoff berth, but heading to Green Bay. Seattle would be 10-6 (instead of 10-5-1) like the Packers and lose the head-to-head tie-breaker. GB would be the three seed and host the six-seeded Cardinals. Seattle would be #4 hosting the Giants.

 

[mjb21aztd]

Very disappointed for sure but if the cards would have made the playoffs would have been hard to advance with dj getting hurt.

Hope the cards don't make as many errors mainly in special teams and make a good playoffs push next year with fitz back....

 

[NJCardFan]

Had Neil Neil O'Donoghue made that kick against the Redskins in '84 when we also had two guys in double sack totals, with our high flying offense... never mind, because then we have that Giant game on Monday Night where he missed three lol

The Giant game was in 1983. We went 8-7-1 that season. 1984 we went 9-7. The bigger play on '84 was the TD against Dallas that was called back on a bogus OPI called on Roy Green and the more egregious flub was O'Donahue missing an extra point in week one against GB. We lost by a point.

Question: How the hell do I remember that but can't remember last week?


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[Cbus cardsfan]

Top 10 offense, top 10 defense but didn't make it. Really sucks but this is/was a good team and could beat any playoff team out there. Too bad there was too many dumb mistakes and they're sitting at home.