Harry Greene's 2005 mock Draft

[Skkorpion]

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[HeavyB3]

Its looking more and more likely that Cleveland takes a WR with their number 2 and then Cambell in the second round. Cambell's stock has been rising on alot of teams board lately.

 

[john h]

Listening to ESPN with Kiper and other gurus today. When asked who they thought would be the player with the most impact this year a couple really were high on the TE Edwards. They say he is one of the best TE's to come out in a long time.

 

[kerouac9]

Listening to ESPN with Kiper and other gurus today. When asked who they thought would be the player with the most impact this year a couple really were high on the TE Edwards. They say he is one of the best TE's to come out in a long time.

Better than Kellen Winslow, Jr? Better than Jeremy Shockey? I dunno.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Harry, you stole my thunder.I was going to post my prediction of Minnesota, having failed to move up for a WR,taking a RB and then trade Bennett to the Cards for Shelton.Also the TE they were talking about on ESPN was Heath Miller,not Eric Edwards.

 

[kerouac9]

Harry, you stole my thunder.I was going to post my prediction of Minnesota, having failed to move up for a WR,taking a RB and then trade Bennett to the Cards for Shelton.Also the TE they were talking about on ESPN was Heath Miller,not Eric Edwards.

Why would Minnesota want L.J. Shelton? For fun? They already have two upper-tier tackles in McKinney and Rosenthal. I like the idea of the Cards trading 2nd round picks with the Vikes for Bennett.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Why would Minnesota want L.J. Shelton? For fun? They already have two upper-tier tackles in McKinney and Rosenthal. I like the idea of the Cards trading 2nd round picks with the Vikes for Bennett.

I more meant a trade for the Cards to acquire Bennet and LJ would be a part of it.Like i said in an earlier post,LJ is the second coming of Larry Allen at OG if you go by some of the LJ lovers here.So we convince Minnesota of that and do a straight player for player deal.

 

[kerouac9]

I more meant a trade for the Cards to acquire Bennet and LJ would be a part of it.Like i said in an earlier post,LJ is the second coming of Larry Allen at OG if you go by some of the LJ lovers here.So we convince Minnesota of that and do a straight player for player deal.

OIC. So it doesn't matter that Minny already has one of the Top 3 or 4 offensive lines in the NFL (Maybe top 2--who's better than them except maybe Kansas City?) already. We'll let Rod Graves snow 'em.

I really wouldn't mind trading sports in the second with Minny for Bennett, and then trading LJ to Miami for a third-rounder (do they even have one? do they have two?).

 

[slanidrac16]

I don't see the Vikings having any interest in Shelton either.

Heres a point. If the Vikings were to take a rb, wouldn't that diminish the value of Bennett? I'd offer the Vikings a 4th round pick. Take it or leave it. If we think Bennett is that good we can get him next year for nothing.

Thats right, Vikes. Now you have Bennett, Smith, Moore, Williams and whoever you drafted.
Shelton and a pick or swapping picks? I don't think so.

 

[BigDavis75]

I don't see the Vikings having any interest in Shelton either.

Heres a point. If the Vikings were to take a rb, wouldn't that diminish the value of Bennett? I'd offer the Vikings a 4th round pick. Take it or leave it. If we think Bennett is that good we can get him next year for nothing.

Thats right, Vikes. Now you have Bennett, Smith, Moore, Williams and whoever you drafted.
Shelton and a pick or swapping picks? I don't think so.

Good post. I've wanted Bennett over Henry all along, I feel we should have traded a fourth for him earlier instead of waiting until now.

 

[HookemCards]

I'm not terribly excited about trading Shelton, and his 3 yrs at a relatively cheap price for Bennet or Henry, and their one year deal. Why not just try to get a pick for Shelton, draft a RB in the 2nd or 3rd, and then go after Henry or Bennett next year as they become FA. I understand you run the risk of another team signing or trading for them. If I could get a 2nd (doubtful) or a 3rd (50/50 chance) for Shelton I'd rather do that, and then draft Sproles and/or Arrington.

 

[kerouac9]

I'm not terribly excited about trading Shelton, and his 3 yrs at a relatively cheap price for Bennet or Henry, and their one year deal. Why not just try to get a pick for Shelton, draft a RB in the 2nd or 3rd, and then go after Henry or Bennett next year as they become FA. I understand you run the risk of another team signing or trading for them. If I could get a 2nd (doubtful) or a 3rd (50/50 chance) for Shelton I'd rather do that, and then draft Sproles and/or Arrington.

Mao thinks that if we could get a third-rounder for Shelton, we'd already have jumped all over that, and I'm prone to agree.

Shelton's cheap for a starting LT, but he's way too expensive for a backup lineman.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Mao thinks that if we could get a third-rounder for Shelton, we'd already have jumped all over that, and I'm prone to agree.

Don't confuse me with some sort of insider, I just don't see LJ as anything more than a mediocre LT and right now I don't see any teams willing or able to give up the constantly mentioned 3rd rounder. Tampa Bay seems to be the only legitimate possibility but it's been pretty quiet on every front except Buffalo. And we know they're not going to give us a third rounder for LJ.

 

[Redrage]

I think that people on this board are overrating Ciatrick Fason. I see him going in round 4, 3 at the earliest.

If a team like Chicago opts to go with a WR he might go earlier than I think is warranted. On that note, I expect that the big three Rbs will not all be gone by the time we pick. The teams picking ahead of us need a multitude of skill players. Why get Cadillac in round 1 if you need a receiver and there are more good backs in the draft than receivers? Miami, after the Ricky Williams debacle I could see them investing that kind of money in nearly any position other than RB. I know nothing about what Dolphins insiders are saying, but if I'm them I'm picking a certain QB from Utah.

Fearless prediction #1: maybe obvious, but I predict that there will be an early run on QBs. Signal callers with 2nd day grades will be gone midway through the 3rd round. Someone will bite on Mcpherson or Campbell early and cause an avalanche as teams Jockey to get their boy.

 

[slanidrac16]

I think that people on this board are overrating Ciatrick Fason. I see him going in round 4, 3 at the earliest.

If a team like Chicago opts to go with a WR he might go earlier than I think is warranted. On that note, I expect that the big three Rbs will not all be gone by the time we pick. The teams picking ahead of us need a multitude of skill players. Why get Cadillac in round 1 if you need a receiver and there are more good backs in the draft than receivers? Miami, after the Ricky Williams debacle I could see them investing that kind of money in nearly any position other than RB. I know nothing about what Dolphins insiders are saying, but if I'm them I'm picking a certain QB from Utah.

Fearless prediction #1: maybe obvious, but I predict that there will be an early run on QBs. Signal callers with 2nd day grades will be gone midway through the 3rd round. Someone will bite on Mcpherson or Campbell early and cause an avalanche as teams Jockey to get their boy.

Well then, Why draft a running back when you need a cornerback?
If we go cb first we have a much better chance of landing an adequate running back in the 2nd round or still have the opportunity to land Henry or perhaps Bennett.

 

[Redrage]

Well then, Why draft a running back when you need a cornerback?
If we go cb first we have a much better chance of landing an adequate running back in the 2nd round or still have the opportunity to land Henry or perhaps Bennett.

I like the best player available approach. If that player happens to be a cb then I'm cool with the pick. I haven't watched tape on these guys, but Carols Rodgers and Rolle may be higher on the Cards board than Cedric Benson.

Furthermore, I hope the Cards come away from the draft with two new backs (either via trade + plus pick or just picks.) Consider the '93 draft, by taking Ron Moore the Cards were able to weather the injury to Garrison Hearst. You never know, someone like TA McClenndon might fall to the second day. If we pick up Henry a little extra insurance would be a good thing should we decide not to resign him.

 

[Harry]

Wow, I figured I'd get killed for dropping Smith (who will sure go higher than I placed him and maybe first), but I never thought the Shelton concept would raise a stir. Minnesota feels its line is an issue. They still have concerns about McKinnie, Dixon can't play much longer. Depth is marginal. The Vikings have cap money to burn and they could dump McKinnie after next June 1 if they like Shelton better. It's not sure thing they take him, but I think it's a real possiblity that they do.