Has any team in history...

[Alan]

had more brawls started from SECOND BASE? The D'backs never seem to be involved in a conventional brawl.

 

[CatBoxBackFan]

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What did Batista do to be kicked out besides defend him self from a charging Tito?

 

[Ryanwb]

..he threw the beisbol at Martinez

Just for the record..Martinez = wuss

If he was going to start something he should have done it right away after he was hit, not wait till the guy had his back turned. Also, he knew Batista was dominating this club so he "took one for the team" so to speak.

 

[sLanidRaC]

Originally posted by Ryanwb
If he was going to start something he should have done it right away after he was hit, not wait till the guy had his back turned. Also, he knew Batista was dominating this club so he "took one for the team" so to speak.

Total agreement... Batista said nothing too, not even a glare. It's natural to throw whats "handy" in split second defense. Ah well, we got the last laugh.. For now..

 

[Moose Lady]

Originally posted by Ryanwb
..he threw the beisbol at Martinez

Just for the record..Martinez = wuss

If he was going to start something he should have done it right away after he was hit, not wait till the guy had his back turned. Also, he knew Batista was dominating this club so he "took one for the team" so to speak.

Yeah, he took one for the team my arse. He was told to take one and when he didn't or couldn't do it right after he was hit so he had to wait for a "better time". I'm sure his 1st base coach told him that since he didn't cause an uproar before he got to 1st base that now he had to do something else. Anything else just to get our pitcher out of the game. A definite LaRussa ploy. I'm just sorry that I thought Tino had more cajones than that. Guess I was wrong.

 

[Cland]

Originally posted by finleyfanatic

Anything else just to get our pitcher out of the game. A definite LaRussa ploy. I'm just sorry that I thought Tino had more cajones than that. Guess I was wrong.

I agree. That was Busch league on St. Louis' part IMO. I definitely lost a little respect for Tino after this one. There was no way Miguel was trying to hit him. I hate the fact that in the hitters’ eyes there is little to no difference between pitching inside and trying to hit someone.

Lost in all of this is Mantei picking up back-to-back two-inning saves. He was still throwing in the upper 90's too in the ninth today. I had my doubts about Mantei being a reliable closer (and honestly I still do) but he looked good the last couple days. Especially the way he overmatched Rolen. If he can consistently show some control I think he'll be solid. But St. Louis did do him a couple favors by swinging at balls.

 

[Moose Lady]

Originally posted by Cland

Lost in all of this is Mantei picking up back-to-back two-inning saves. He was still throwing in the upper 90's too in the ninth today. I had my doubts about Mantei being a reliable closer (and honestly I still do) but he looked good the last couple days. Especially the way he overmatched Rolen. If he can consistently show some control I think he'll be solid. But St. Louis did do him a couple favors by swinging at balls.

I think everyone had some reservations about how he would do this season. So far, he's been better than he was before. Some of his pitches are being clocked at 98mph. That isn't peanuts. As long as he continues to throw that hard and with the same precision as he is now, he'll be awesome. Swinging at balls is one favor we need other clubs to do also. That's the whole point. Make em swing at bad pitches.

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by sLanidRaC
Total agreement... Batista said nothing too, not even a glare. It's natural to throw whats "handy" in split second defense. Ah well, we got the last laugh.. For now..

Watch the replay and clearly Batista was glaring at him...probably as a result of Tino yapping but Batista isn' completely innocent here. I don't think he intentionally plunked Tino though.

Look for MLB to suspend Batista for whipping the ball at Tino during the brawl though. They cannot allow that type of activity to happen...no matter what the circumstances. I also expect Tino to get suspended.

More important, what happened to Grace? Looked like he had 4-5 Crdinals on him in a huge pile. Was he hurt?

 

[AZZenny]

Grace has a strained groin and is day-to-day - from restraining Matheny.

If anyone has looked lately - Miguel has glared at EVERYONE this season, and refused to talk to press. He wants in the starting rotation - and I think he's shown he belongs there.

He may also have been glaring because according to some media reports, LoRussa was out of the dugout yelling at him as soon as he hit Tino, and then walked over and spoke to Tino at first.

 

[Forrestham]

What Tino MArtinez did was a cowardly act. It is out of charater as he as never been in trouble before to my knowldedge. He deserves a big suspension. The umpires also set a very bad presedence by kicking out Batista. What they did was makes it ok to attack a picther when his backed turned to get him ejected. Miguel was just defensing himself. Is he supposed to sit there and get himself pummelled and not defend himself. He looked at him wrong. Give me a break

What will stop teams from doing the same things to Johnson or Schilling

 

[RLakin]

Originally posted by Forrestham
What Tino MArtinez did was a cowardly act. It is out of charater as he as never been in trouble before to my knowldedge. He deserves a big suspension. The umpires also set a very bad presedence by kicking out Batista. What they did was makes it ok to attack a picther when his backed turned to get him ejected. Miguel was just defensing himself. Is he supposed to sit there and get himself pummelled and not defend himself.

He got tossed for throwing the ball at Martinez. Hard to argue w/ that. I agree that Martinez was out of line, but they couldn't have kept Batista in the game after that.
I also agree that Batista has a chip on his shoulder this year. And he should. This guy has been the teams 3rd most consistent starter the past 2 years and he still can't get a spot in the rotation even after the #4 guy goes to the minors. Sure his spring numbers were bad, but he's always started slow and had tough springs since he's been here. Plus, Batista is throwing real hard this year. At 1st I thought it was just because of the D-backs inflated gun, but I saw 95 on the gun in St. Louis today. Very impressive, but I guess not enough for Brenly.
Speaking of whom, why the heck did Brenly let LaRussa have free reign out there today. You'd think he'd be a little pissed about his best hitter getting hit in the back with a fastball, yet Bob exchanges a chuckle w. the umps and basically lets LaRussa punk him. Heck, Craig Counsell was the one telling the umpires to get friggin LaRussa off the field after the Batista bean ball.

 

[Smolder]

brenly always struck me as the nonconfrontational type,

as for batista, im not sure if it's here or in the old board where someone posted his stats as a starter and as a reliever. despite that great one in the world series, his starts have never really been that good, middling is probably a better description. as a reliever, though, he's always been dependable.

as for his 95 mph heat. do you really think he'd last the season doing that for 7 innings every five days? he's never been a real power pitcher...so don't count on it.

those concerns aside, he's doing a stellar job, together with villareal in the bullpen. mantei, of course...i always said he'd be dominating...

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Re: ?

Originally posted by CatBoxBackFan
What did Batista do to be kicked out besides defend him self from a charging Tito?

First, it's Tino and not Tito. Very important difference. No one would be afraid of a charging Tito.

Second, he threw the ball at him when he charged, which is likely an automatic ejection.

 

[DbaxJ]

Originally posted by AZCB34
Watch the replay and clearly Batista was glaring at him...probably as a result of Tino yapping but Batista isn' completely innocent here. I don't think he intentionally plunked Tino though.

Look for MLB to suspend Batista for whipping the ball at Tino during the brawl though. They cannot allow that type of activity to happen...no matter what the circumstances. I also expect Tino to get suspended.

More important, what happened to Grace? Looked like he had 4-5 Crdinals on him in a huge pile. Was he hurt?

The only glaring that Miggy did was on the initial play when Tino was bitching at him. After he took first, it was over. When Tino was forced out at second, there was several angles showing that Miggy DID NOT EVEN LOOK AT TINO.. the only thing he did was look for the ball, catch it, and turn to the mound. Tino waited and instead of heading to the dugout, he went straight for Miguel.

In no way can I condone what he did by throwing the ball at him, but I can also see that it was a natural reaction. Tino punked him, waited for his back to be turned and then ran at him. TOTAL PUNK! Miguel will get fined, I doubt that he will get a suspension, but who knows... but there better not be a slap on the wrist for Tino... he was totally in the wrong there, and that needs to be addresses. Also, Fassero needs to be taught a lesson too.. there was ZERO reason to hit Gonzo.

As a side not, Mantei was clocked at 98 for 8 pitches, 99 for 2 and 100 on the final pitch of the game......

 

[RLakin]

Originally posted by Smolder
brenly always struck me as the nonconfrontational type,

I guess. The guy let his starting pitcher get yelled at by LaRussa, stood silent after his best hitter got plunked, who also exchanged words w/ LaRussa. All the meanwhile also letting LaRussa dominate the majority of the umpires time even after St. Louis initiated the confrontation by charging the mound and threatened to start another one with another plunking later in the game.
Unbelievable.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Originally posted by DbaxJ
The only glaring that Miggy did was on the initial play when Tino was bitching at him. After he took first, it was over. When Tino was forced out at second, there was several angles showing that Miggy DID NOT EVEN LOOK AT TINO.. the only thing he did was look for the ball, catch it, and turn to the mound. Tino waited and instead of heading to the dugout, he went straight for Miguel.

In no way can I condone what he did by throwing the ball at him, but I can also see that it was a natural reaction. Tino punked him, waited for his back to be turned and then ran at him. TOTAL PUNK! Miguel will get fined, I doubt that he will get a suspension, but who knows... but there better not be a slap on the wrist for Tino... he was totally in the wrong there, and that needs to be addresses. Also, Fassero needs to be taught a lesson too.. there was ZERO reason to hit Gonzo.

As a side not, Mantei was clocked at 98 for 8 pitches, 99 for 2 and 100 on the final pitch of the game......

Someday the events of today's game will be forever remembered in a Miguel Batista poem.

 

[RLakin]

Originally posted by DbaxJ
The only glaring that Miggy did was on the initial play when Tino was bitching at him. After he took first, it was over. When Tino was forced out at second, there was several angles showing that Miggy DID NOT EVEN LOOK AT TINO.. the only thing he did was look for the ball, catch it, and turn to the mound. Tino waited and instead of heading to the dugout, he went straight for Miguel.

In no way can I condone what he did by throwing the ball at him, but I can also see that it was a natural reaction. Tino punked him, waited for his back to be turned and then ran at him. TOTAL PUNK! Miguel will get fined, I doubt that he will get a suspension, but who knows... but there better not be a slap on the wrist for Tino... he was totally in the wrong there, and that needs to be addresses. Also, Fassero needs to be taught a lesson too.. there was ZERO reason to hit Gonzo.

As a side not, Mantei was clocked at 98 for 8 pitches, 99 for 2 and 100 on the final pitch of the game......

Supposedly Batista yelled back at the yapping LaRussa and Martinez thought it was directed towards him. Either way Martinez is in the wrong.
The Fassero thing I have no problem with. It's called sticking up for your team, something that Bob Brenly should take a hard look at.
And Mantei does look great.

 

[DbaxJ]

True, I am not nearly as upset about Fassero plunking Gonzo, but at that point the situation was over. There really was no reason for "backing his team, the old school way" or whatever he called it. At the time of the actual hitting of Tino, I do believe that Miggy was jawing at him or Tony, but after Tino took his base, that was over.... if he wanted to get it on, he should have never allowed the ball to go back into play... that was a total sissified move there.... I'm sure not only the Dbacks but other teams are going to remember this one!

As for BB, I dont know whats going on there... that would have been the perfect time to get his ass ejected from the game, and really try and fire up the team... but as usual.. it didnt happen. At a loss there.....

I had a manager once that evertime we started any kind of slump, he would find a way to get himself or a coach tossed... now mind you, this was EVERY week... pretty funny, but the mid season point the pools we had for who, and when, got to which inning.. pure comedy, but it did help us lighten up a bit....

I have said all along they needed a good brawl, I dont think today was one of them, but definetly something that could help them gel even more and maybe really spark something... they are sure not to win many 1-0 games.... 12 runners ISP and only one scored.. OUCH!

 

[RLakin]

Originally posted by DbaxJ


As for BB, I dont know whats going on there... that would have been the perfect time to get his ass ejected from the game, and really try and fire up the team... but as usual.. it didnt happen. At a loss there.....

I'm not advocating an ejection, but you can't let an opposing manager have his way w/ your players like that. In light of the Sosa incident tonight, does anyone actually think that Lloyd McClendon would stand for Dusty Baker yelling at his pitcher? Or vice versa?

Of course not.

 

[DbaxJ]

I missed the Cubs saga today, so I cant really respond on that one.?.?

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Originally posted by DbaxJ
I missed the Cubs saga today, so I cant really respond on that one.?.?

Sammy Sosa got beaned so hard in the side of his head that it busted his helmet. He later said it was the scariest moment in his career. He had to go to the hospital and have some tests done, but everything was found to be okay, enough that he made the team's charter flight according to the news.

They showed the replay a few times, and some with sound. UGH. It was loud.

 

[CatBoxBackFan]

Originally posted by Brian in Mesa
Sammy Sosa got beaned so hard in the side of his head that it busted his helmet. He later said it was the scariest moment in his career. He had to go to the hospital and have some tests done, but everything was found to be okay, enough that he made the team's charter flight according to the news.

They showed the replay a few times, and some with sound. UGH. It was loud.

 

[Dback Jon]

What do you expect from the pu$$y Cardinals??

Tino should get 5 games!

 

[IndyDevil]

A few innings after Sosa got decked on Sunday, Juan Cruz of the Cubs threw a pitch at the Pirates' pitcher (looks like his kneecap got beaned); both managers just sat in silence, knowing that justice had been served, and nothing more needed to be said.

LaRussa should watch those highlights and learn something about being a professional!!