Heroes and Goats: DAL@ARI

[kerouac9]

Welcome to Carson Palmer: Same as he ever was. He's Jay Cutler without the attitude problems. When the game is over and you look at the stat sheet, you decide that he's probably not the problem. But you watch the games, and you watch the offense go 3-12 on third downs after the second possession, and you know — deep in your heart you know — this guy will not lead you to anything but more heartbreak.

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Patrick Peterson - He's a marvel. Despite all the moaning about a lack of physical play, he streaked onto the screen in the first quarter to single-handedly bring down Ezekiel Elliot. He's a franchise player and the cornerstone of the next rebuild.

Tyvon Branch - The only true free safety on the roster, and he's everything you'd ask for in the last line of defense. He's making himself a lot of money so far this season, and if teams ever have to pass deep on the Cards, it'll be interesting to see how Branch performs.

Larry Fitzgerald - He's the only real reason to watch this offense. Five years ago, if Larry Fitzgerald had 13 catches, you'd expect a double-digit blowout result. Today, it's as quiet a 100 yards, 1 TD performance can be.

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Bruce Arians - Jon Gruden referred to the Cards' offense as "old school" last night, which isn't accurate. I think this offense can still be effective. But it can't work if there isn't a vertical element from the wide receiver corps. The inability to go max protect when both edges of the OL are struggling has made the offense unworkable.

James Bettcher - When you have a building block like Patrick Peterson on your roster, why are you playing zone? This defense has lost all of the swagger created under Todd Bowles. They should be able to force turnovers and create their own scoring opportunities — the talent is there. It's being held back by inferior coaching.

Steve Keim - Keim made the decision to draft D.J. Humphries, the oft-injured college prospect who has become an oft-injured professional player. Keim made the decision to draft Robert Nkemdiche, who has 2 NFL tackles in as many seasons. Keim made the decision to flip Jared Veldheer, who had been productive at left tackle, to right tackle because [more information needed].

 

[Finito]

Yeah cause it's DJ Humpries fault he got rolled up on, come on now.

Keim also signed Veldaheer who was probably the best LT this team has had since moving to AZ during our championship window. A window that is now closed.

 

[juza76]

Keim got many praises but he made so many mistakes that we are paying off now and probably more the years to come


Agree about palmer and the goat on the photo looks possessed

 

[MrYeahBut]

Fool me once, shame on you
Fool me twice, shame on me.

Sincerely,

Markus Golden

 

[Buckybird]

Not having Veldheer on the list as goat 1, 2, 3, 4 & 5 is laughable! Semi blaming BA & Keim for his atrocious performance is ridiculous. The guy clearly doesn't want to play football after his thought of retiring. Bench or cut his ass now!

 

[Chopper0080]

Yeah cause it's DJ Humpries fault he got rolled up on, come on now.

Keim also signed Veldaheer who was probably the best LT this team has had since moving to AZ during our championship window. A window that is now closed.

If a guy can't stay healthy in college, you shouldn't be shocked when he can't stay healthy in the pros. It may not be Humphries fault, but when it is always something, it doesn't change that it is an issue. Getting rolled up on isn't the only thing, but it is the most recent thing in a lone line of them.

And Lomas Brown says you are wrong.

 

[Cheesebeef]

The last three or four years, Peterson absolutely has become everything he'd always been hyped up to be.

Such a shame about HB... kid's got all the heart in the world AND had the talent, but injuries have robbed him of pretty much everything he had.

So many times I've read that people are just waiting for Badger to shake off the rust... but he didn't tear his ACL last season... he tore it in 2015! There should be no rust at this point. And the contract is gonna be (and was this past offseason) an albatross unless it's dealt with.

 

[Shaggy]

I still think it was a bone headed move by BA to move JV to RT. JV was decent at LT and DJ was decent at RT last year. Why screw that up?

 

[kerouac9]

I still think it was a bone headed move by BA to move JV to RT. JV was decent at LT and DJ was decent at RT last year. Why screw that up?

DJ was a dumpster fire at RT last year, and mediocre at LT. the move at this time made no sense.

 

[Chopper0080]

Welcome to Carson Palmer: Same as he ever was. He's Jay Cutler without the attitude problems. When the game is over and you look at the stat sheet, you decide that he's probably not the problem. But you watch the games, and you watch the offense go 3-12 on third downs after the second possession, and you know — deep in your heart you know — this guy will not lead you to anything but more heartbreak.

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Patrick Peterson - He's a marvel. Despite all the moaning about a lack of physical play, he streaked onto the screen in the first quarter to single-handedly bring down Ezekiel Elliot. He's a franchise player and the cornerstone of the next rebuild.

Tyvon Branch - The only true free safety on the roster, and he's everything you'd ask for in the last line of defense. He's making himself a lot of money so far this season, and if teams ever have to pass deep on the Cards, it'll be interesting to see how Branch performs.

Larry Fitzgerald - He's the only real reason to watch this offense. Five years ago, if Larry Fitzgerald had 13 catches, you'd expect a double-digit blowout result. Today, it's as quiet a 100 yards, 1 TD performance can be.

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Bruce Arians - Jon Gruden referred to the Cards' offense as "old school" last night, which isn't accurate. I think this offense can still be effective. But it can't work if there isn't a vertical element from the wide receiver corps. The inability to go max protect when both edges of the OL are struggling has made the offense unworkable.

James Bettcher - When you have a building block like Patrick Peterson on your roster, why are you playing zone? This defense has lost all of the swagger created under Todd Bowles. They should be able to force turnovers and create their own scoring opportunities — the talent is there. It's being held back by inferior coaching.

Steve Keim - Keim made the decision to draft D.J. Humphries, the oft-injured college prospect who has become an oft-injured professional player. Keim made the decision to draft Robert Nkemdiche, who has 2 NFL tackles in as many seasons. Keim made the decision to flip Jared Veldheer, who had been productive at left tackle, to right tackle because [more information needed].

Branch did show up last night which was nice to see. It will be interesting to see what his future holds.

Hard to disagree on Peterson and Fitzgerald.

In regards to the GOATS...I will agree with Bucky that you have to have Veldheer on this list. I get what you are saying about Arians not going max protect, but when your starting 5 can't block 3, max protect isn't the solution especially with our WR corp.

My position on Bettcher is well stated, and I agree with you. He is a gym teacher pretending to be a defensive coordinator.

Steve Keim deserves his spot as well. He made some questionable moves and needs to be held responsible for them. Humphries had known issues in college (maturity and health) and has had issues in the pros (maturity and health). Nkemdiche was inconsistent in college in both effort and availability and has been the same in the pros.

Not only that, he moved Veldheer to RT and put more dependence on a undependable player in Humphries to play LT.

He let Calais Campbell go in free agency due to money, and instead of using that money to add player who was a step down from Campbell, he chose to save money and put Nkemdiche in to replace a consistent, dependable player in Campbell when Nkemidche is anything but those things.

John Brown struggles with health all 2016 and we justifiably let Michael Floyd walk, let's mitigate this loss with a 3rd round pick out of Grambling. That is silly.

Instead of drafting a TE to get holding calls, drop passes, and make mental errors, let's pay one 7 mil per year to do the same.

How many centers are we going to keep on our roster and call them guards?

Keim made a big jump to GM and we are seeing his growing pains...I get that. However, his issues are a big reason for the teams issues right now. I worry that we may see the same in terms of head coaches if Arians decides to hang it up.

 

[Shaggy]

DJ was a dumpster fire at RT last year, and mediocre at LT. the move at this time made no sense.

He was playing better the JV is right now, so I still don't get the move.

 

[cardpa]

Watching Veldheer last night almost made me wish Levi was in there instead and that is saying something.

 

[kerouac9]

He was playing better the JV is right now, so I still don't get the move.

He was getting help at RT and LT that Veldheer wasn't getting. I'm always going to disagree with the take that these guys aren't "trying." I think that's ill-informed. I have no idea what's going on with Veldheer right now. Muscle memory is a real thing, and you don't undo a career's worth of reps and reverse everything. Chopper is also right, though, that if you can't block 3 with 5, you have a problem. That strikes me as coaching more than anything.

 

[WindCardinal]

Goats are terrible choices as usual. These used to be fun to read. Here let me help you..

JARED VELDHEER
TYRANN MATHIEU
PHIL DAWSON

Stop. Putting. Coaches. Every week.

 

[JeffGollin]

Heros: Fitz...

Goats: Dawson...Veldheer...Whomever is in Charge of Conditioning (Entire team ran out of gas in 4th quarter).

 

[Jetstream Green]

Palmer was a hero last night and did everything he could with no blocking at all and then sucks it up after the game and protects the people who did not protect him on the OL... like a hero, he is a leader too

 

[Chopper0080]

DJ was a dumpster fire at RT last year, and mediocre at LT. the move at this time made no sense.

If Humphries could stay healthy, it does. You have to see if you have your future at LT in your first round pick. But, he hasn't shown he can, and now this is the result you get.

 

[Chopper0080]

He was getting help at RT and LT that Veldheer wasn't getting. I'm always going to disagree with the take that these guys aren't "trying." I think that's ill-informed. I have no idea what's going on with Veldheer right now. Muscle memory is a real thing, and you don't undo a career's worth of reps and reverse everything. Chopper is also right, though, that if you can't block 3 with 5, you have a problem. That strikes me as coaching more than anything.

When the guards kicked out to help the tackles, Shipley got beat. When one guard looked inside to make sure that block was made, the tackle got beat. Maybe I am too forgiving, but that seems really tough to coach around, especially with three guys on the line who have 5+ years experience. Boone, Shipley and Veldheer have to be able to figure out a solution and communicate that to the two younger guys.

 

[Matt L]

When the guards kicked out to help the tackles, Shipley got beat. When one guard looked inside to make sure that block was made, the tackle got beat. Maybe I am too forgiving, but that seems really tough to coach around, especially with three guys on the line who have 5+ years experience. Boone, Shipley and Veldheer have to be able to figure out a solution and communicate that to the two younger guys.

Shipley playing at his peak is average. He rarely plays at his peak. I think that has been the case for every center this team has ever had.

They looked so good on that first drive but then the Cowboys defense adjusted their defensive backs and we weren't able to make an adjustment to our routes to account for it. By the end of the game our receivers had no separation and were relying on making super human catches in traffic. That has to change.

 

[NJCardFan]

BASK have been here since 2013 and every single 1st round draft pick has been a flop(although Reddick is looking like the real deal). Buc is out of position, Cooper is gone, DJ can't stay healthy, Nkemidche is looking like a flop...I mean, their #1 picks are starting to look like Matt Millen is in charge of our drafts. I mean, name me one 1st rounder they've drafted who has turned into an impact player? With all of his faults(like whiffing on AP), Whiz at least gave us decent picks in DRC, Dan Williams(another mistake letting him walk), PP, Beanie when healthy, even Floyd contributed on occasion. What 1st rounder has BASK drafted come even close to these guys?

 

[b8rtm8nn]

James Bettcher - When you have a building block like Patrick Peterson on your roster, why are you playing zone? This defense has lost all of the swagger created under Todd Bowles. They should be able to force turnovers and create their own scoring opportunities — the talent is there. It's being held back by inferior coaching.

+1000

If we are losing the game, I have ZERO confidence in having our defense give us the lift we need with Bettcher at the helm. We have had far worse rosters that have played far better at keeping us in the games when needed since being in Arizona. Bettcher is our neutered coach, lots of hype but shoots blanks when you need some real ammo in the game.

 

[Mitch]

+1000

If we are losing the game, I have ZERO confidence in having our defense give us the lift we need with Bettcher at the helm. We have had far worse rosters that have played far better at keeping us in the games when needed since being in Arizona. Bettcher is our neutered coach, lots of hype but shoots blanks when you need some real ammo in the game.

Bettcher is still way over his head. Any DC who could watch Markus Golden crash inside every play and keep running him out there is not demanding position discipline and accountability.

 

[BigRedRage]

Goats are terrible choices as usual. These used to be fun to read. Here let me help you..

JARED VELDHEER
TYRANN MATHIEU
PHIL DAWSON

Stop. Putting. Coaches. Every week.

Except Phils struggles are due to blocking and coaching.

 

[splitsecond]

Not having Veldheer on the list as goat 1, 2, 3, 4 & 5 is laughable! Semi blaming BA & Keim for his atrocious performance is ridiculous. The guy clearly doesn't want to play football after his thought of retiring. Bench or cut his ass now!

Both Wolfley and B-train basically said this. The loss to me all starts with Veldheer's half-assed play and the issues with Lee and Dawson. FWIW I think Lee and Dawson fix their issues. I don't know about Veldheer. How many more chances does he get? I agree, I think he needs to go to the bench now.

 

[Finito]

He was getting help at RT and LT that Veldheer wasn't getting. I'm always going to disagree with the take that these guys aren't "trying." I think that's ill-informed. I have no idea what's going on with Veldheer right now. Muscle memory is a real thing, and you don't undo a career's worth of reps and reverse everything. Chopper is also right, though, that if you can't block 3 with 5, you have a problem. That strikes me as coaching more than anything.

Muscle memory is a thing but when you switch positions and now everything you've ever done your entire career is now backwards it's not exactly easy. Yeah the guy isn't playing great hell not even good but time will tell.