Hey they kicked our Butts!

[PJ1]

Any defense would have trouble with the 5 drives starting in our territory. The Giants are a better team than us but make no mistake our special teams lost this game today. Not our defense.

We still need to improve but we hardly got our butts kicked.

 

[D-Dogg]

We beat us, they didn't. We gave them the ball in our territory FIVE times, leading to 23 points.

That just can't happen. They didn't earn it against us, but they sure as hell took advantage of what we gave them. And we sure didn't make them stress about it.

 

[Cheesebeef]

We beat us, they didn't. We gave them the ball in our territory FIVE times, leading to 23 points.

That just can't happen. They didn't earn it against us, but they sure as hell took advantage of what we gave them. And we sure didn't make them stress about it.

come on. this is really... well, I just disagree with it. They made the plays on special teams to put us in bad positions. They created turnovers and whenever they needed to score more points, they did. That team did pretty much anything they wanted against us no matter where they got the ball.

no shame in it. That's a GREAT team. We're a good team with room to improve. Bring on the Eagles.

oh, and if that 2nd Dirk Johnson pass wasn't even more proof that we should have never pit the ball in his hands for that fake FG I don't know what would be. We could probably pluck an 15 year old Punt, Pass and Kick kid out at halftime next week and he could do a better job than Johnson at all of them.

 

[Brewster10]

I would totally side with our defense if not for the fact that when we got the game to 24-19... and the crowd was into it.. Rackers gets a touchback (finally).. and u feel that if we can just get one stop and our offense back out there, we could drive and take the lead..

However, our defense gets shredded for an 80 yard drive that basically ends the game..

Of course they were put in bad positions in this game, but I didnt see anything out of them that would have me believe that even if the field position favored us, they would have stopped the Giants..

Our defense is built on turnovers... we win when our D forces them.. if they are not forcing turnovers, they arent a strong point of our team..

Today we got ZERO turnovers, and when that happens our defense usually has a bad day

 

[seesred]

The truth is as many have pointed out, that we lost this game in two key areas. We were still in the game till the end.

#1. Warner 2 turnovers the INT and the fumble lost as well as losing ground on the fumble recovered.

#2. Special teams. Will Ware be on our team Monday. This guy was a 1 man demolition squad. The team had 3 count them only 3 penalties today all on Ware!

We moved the ball well. Kept them to under 100 yards rushing. Yes they had one of the earth wind and fire missing but our d line has been stout all year. I hope we get to meet up with them on championship Sunday. Happy turkey day to all.

GBR
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[arthurracoon]

Today was fun (except for the stupid special teams and the fact that we lost)

We're not as good as the Giants, but we were competitive.

It's nice to watch football games that actually mean something.

 

[D-Dogg]

come on. this is really... well, I just disagree with it. They made the plays on special teams to put us in bad positions. They created turnovers and whenever they needed to score more points, they did. That team did pretty much anything they wanted against us no matter where they got the ball..

Cheese, I don't see how you can disagree. We handled them in the first half for sure, but ST we collapsed TWICE and gave them what, 25 and 30 yard fields on back to back posessions?

yes, anytime someone efs up on special teams someone can say the other team did a good job. But WE are the team who gave them a second return opportunity with a stupid penalty that led to a return to the 25 and a TD.

WE played terribly on ST. They didn't do anything special. It wasn't Devin Hester back there just outrunning people. WE missed tackles.

WE had bad snaps. We made serious mistakes.

They got what they wanted on us, but they didn't have to earn it. We served it up on a silver platter. 23 of their points came on drives they started in OUR half of the field. You say the Giants are "great" and I disagree with that. I think they are very good, but not great. They aren't going down in any history books. However, give a pretty good team the ball with less than 50 yards to go five times and they will make you pay.

Lackluster effort on ST and defense. The offense was ok, not great but not terrible.

 

[D-Dogg]

Of course they were put in bad positions in this game, but I didnt see anything out of them that would have me believe that even if the field position favored us, they would have stopped the Giants..

I would agree with that thought process.

That long drive was deflating as hell, and you could feel it in the building.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Cheese, I don't see how you can disagree. We handled them in the first half for sure, but ST we collapsed TWICE and gave them what, 25 and 30 yard fields on back to back posessions?

yes, anytime someone efs up on special teams someone can say the other team did a good job. But WE are the team who gave them a second return opportunity with a stupid penalty that led to a return to the 25 and a TD.

WE played terribly on ST. They didn't do anything special. It wasn't Devin Hester back there just outrunning people. WE missed tackles.

WE had bad snaps. We made serious mistakes.

Donald, you can attempt to rationalize all you want (yes, we made our now standard array of mistakes and penalties...), however, they did put up 37 points on our field, without their #1 RB and #1 WR... as they say, 'nuff said..

They got what they wanted on us, but they didn't have to earn it. We served it up on a silver platter. 23 of their points came on drives they started in OUR half of the field. You say the Giants are "great" and I disagree with that. I think they are very good, but not great. They aren't going down in any history books. However, give a pretty good team the ball with less than 50 yards to go five times and they will make you pay.
Lackluster effort on ST and defense. The offense was ok, not great but not terrible.

Sadly, it doesn't take a "history making team to beat the Cards... Far from it... The Giants are a very, very good team with few if any weaknesses...
There's not enough time here for me to list our weaknesses... Which of course are far less than in years past, but still are too large to allow us to think about more than a Western Division title, a home playoff game, perhaps a win and nothing more...

 

[Cheesebeef]

You say the Giants are "great" and I disagree with that. I think they are very good, but not great. They aren't going down in any history books.

They make no mistakes, they punish the QB and they can kill you with either the run or pass. They're defense is #2 in the league, the #4 offense in the league, they're #1 in scoring, have an average margin of victory by almost two touchdowns per game, are the defending Super Bowl Champs and are the odds on favorite to win it again this year with a 10-1 record. If that's not great then what is? And if you think this team continues on playing the way they are and win the Super Bowl they won't go down in history books? What history books do you read that ignore back to back Super Bowl champs?

it was a back and forth first half which they still lead at the half and then were never threatened once with a potential game-tying or lead changing drive. They had control the entire second half. Trying to say we gave this game to them really discredits the utter control the Giants had in this game.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

it was a back and forth first half which they still lead at the half and then were never threatened once with a potential game-tying or lead changing drive. They had control the entire second half. Trying to say we gave this game to them really discredits the utter control the Giants had in this game.

This is my take as well. Anytime we threatened, they answered. I felt like I was watching Suns versus the Spurs. No matter what gimmick we tried to pull off, they just whipped us fundamentally and physically.

 

[Cheesebeef]

This is my take as well. Anytime we threatened, they answered. I felt like I was watching Suns versus the Spurs. No matter what gimmick we tried to pull off, they just whipped us fundamentally and physically.

yup.

and I'm still confused at the Giants being merely "good" team. They're the defending Champs, with the best record in the league, the highest scoring average, largest margin of victory and top 4 ranked O and D. In most books, that's a great team at this point in the season.

 

[BirdMan21]

We got beat by a better team today, a great team at that.

Now we left a lot of opportunities out there (missed onside kick), and screwed up a lot (turnovers, giving up huge KO returns). But this game wasn't stolen from us, we played a damn good team (minus two of their best players) and they beat us.

But, as I was walking out of this game I didn't feel bad at all. Had things gone a little bit better for us (actually could tackle on kickoffs and Ralph Brown catches that onside kick) I could easily see us having won today. We can beat a team like the Giants any given Sunday....just wasn't this Sunday. Hopefully we are saving the win for sometime in January.

 

[D-Dogg]

They make no mistakes, they punish the QB and they can kill you with either the run or pass. They're defense is #2 in the league, the #4 offense in the league, they're #1 in scoring, have an average margin of victory by almost two touchdowns per game, are the defending Super Bowl Champs and are the odds on favorite to win it again this year with a 10-1 record. If that's not great then what is? And if you think this team continues on playing the way they are and win the Super Bowl they won't go down in history books? What history books do you read that ignore back to back Super Bowl champs?

it was a back and forth first half which they still lead at the half and then were never threatened once with a potential game-tying or lead changing drive. They had control the entire second half. Trying to say we gave this game to them really discredits the utter control the Giants had in this game.

When you get your head up from the Giants lap, I'd like to interest you in an ASFN wager of 20,000 that the Giants do not win the Super Bowl this year.

In fact, we can do a 10K bet that they don't even MAKE the Super Bowl.


The only reason they were IN the game in the first half was the back to back ST collapses that led to scores.

We hold up on those (thanks, Matt Ware) and things can change in that game DRAMATICALLY. They got confidence from that, we did not.

For a guy who argues about how the momentum swung on the Dirk Johnson pass on fake FG a few weeks ago, it's odd that you'd deny the ST meltdowns in the second Q (I think that was when they both happened) coupled with the success on their fourth and one at the end of the first (thought we should have challenged that one, from stadium view) swung the momentum clearly in their direction.

I'm not that impressed with the Giants.

Their defense is basically because of their good running game, btw...not because they are THAT good of a defense. We put up over 300 yards in the air and 29 points on them.

If you are that impressed with the Giants, you should be super impressed with the Giants.

I'm not all that impressed with either, to tell the truth.

And we are going to get hammered in Philly on Turkey Day. I don't think we have a chance in that game.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

You have to give odds on any team winning the superbowl. You can't just bet that straight up since anything can happen.

 

[D-Dogg]

We got beat by a better team today, a great team at that.

Now we left a lot of opportunities out there (missed onside kick), and screwed up a lot (turnovers, giving up huge KO returns). But this game wasn't stolen from us, we played a damn good team (minus two of their best players) and they beat us. .

I don't think this game was stolen from us at all. We just didn't do the things needed to beat a good team.

We failed to tackle on ST, we failed to execute one of the most simple plays in football, we failed to show up on D when we cut the lead to a one score margin. We failed a ton.

But that team did not BEAT OUR ASS. The Jets beat our ass. They smoked the crap out of us. We had no shot in that game...we were in straight up crisis mode from jump in that game.

In this game, we were in it the whole way...down, but in it. And we made a few key mistakes that put the game juuuuuust out of reach.

 

[ajcardfan]

yup.

and I'm still confused at the Giants being merely "good" team. They're the defending Champs, with the best record in the league, the highest scoring average, largest margin of victory and top 4 ranked O and D. In most books, that's a great team at this point in the season.

Oh, they are a really damn good team. Really good. Not as dominant as the Pats were at this point last year, but they are really good.

I didn't feel like we were completely outclassed or that we didn't belong on the field with them.

 

[Cheesebeef]

When you get your head up from the Giants lap, I'd like to interest you in an ASFN wager of 20,000 that the Giants do not win the Super Bowl this year.

In fact, we can do a 10K bet that they don't even MAKE the Super Bowl.

okay. we can make whatever imaginary wager you want. doesn't take away from the fact that the Giants are the best team in the league right now and probably will be come January. I think you're just in super defensive mode because "you had never been so sure of a win since the Bears game" (which is odd that you say considering we LOST that game as well) and just can't admit that this Giants team is much better than you gave them credit for.

The only reason they were IN the game in the first half was the back to back ST collapses that led to scores.

we went up 3-0 and then took the lead. We went up 9-7... and they immediately took the lead. We went up 12-10 and they immediately took the lead. How the special teams "meltdowna" (I guess the Giants deserve ZERO credit for anything that happened with those) were the ONLY reason they were in the game is beyond me. But let's move on to your next point.

For a guy who argues about how the momentum swung on the Dirk Johnson pass on fake FG a few weeks ago, it's odd that you'd deny the ST meltdowns in the second Q (I think that was when they both happened) coupled with the success on their fourth and one at the end of the first (thought we should have challenged that one, from stadium view) swung the momentum clearly in their direction.

a) when you find the guy who said the momentum swung on the Dirk Johnson fake FG say hi to him for me because that wasn't me. I just said it was dumb to leave points on the field, putting the ball in your punters hands on 4th and 17. Never said it was a momentum killer. Afterall, we did come out of the half and score a TD to make it 17-3. So save me the above song and dance about how "odd" anything I'm saying is.

b) as far as the "meltdowns"... sorry, you can discount the Giants all you want, but whether it was "meltdowns" on coverage teams or them just being better than us, either way... THEY WERE BETTER THAN US.

I'm not that impressed with the Giants.

yes, you said that all week and all but guaranteed a W. Now that they've proved you wrong, I don't expect you to admit it. It's not really your MO.

Their defense is basically because of their good running game, btw...not because they are THAT good of a defense. We put up over 300 yards in the air and 29 points on them.

and still, on the road, without two of their best players, halfway through the 3rd quarter they never had to face one drive that could have even tied the game.

If you are that impressed with the Giants, you should be super impressed with the Giants.

I am super impressed with the Giants. The score didn't accurately portray just how little of a shot we had in the second half. I thought the Giants were really good before this game. Now I think they're even better. They just came into our house, which has been the toughest road game the last two seasons and without their two best players, were never challenged in the 2nd half against a team which had 5 of 6. That's pretty impressive.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Oh, they are a really damn good team. Really good. Not as dominant as the Pats were at this point last year, but they are really good.

I didn't feel like we were completely outclassed or that we didn't belong on the field with them.

I didn't feel like we were completely outclassed either, but I thought they were clearly the better team.

 

[ajcardfan]

I didn't feel like we were completely outclassed either, but I thought they were clearly the better team.

Yeah, but there is still time. They could come down, or we could go up. I'm not saying it's likely cheese, but I won't write them in as champs and bury us on 11/23.

 

[TheHopToad]

This is one very impressive Giants team. IMO they are clearly the best team in the NFC by a mile. I can't see anyone giving them a serious challenge to return to the Superbowl. They may not win it depending on the outcome of the AFC dogfight, but I'd put the Giants as the favorite right now. I'd say they're starting the next NFL dynasty, replacing the Patriots.

We get to go play them next year in the Meadowlands. Won't that be fun...

 

[D-Dogg]

The Patriots of last season that lost the Super Bowl was a great team. One of the best teams I've ever seen.

They got beat by a solid, scrapping Giants team hot at the right time.

There is no "great" team in this season's NFL. Not a one. There are some good ones, and we are one of the good ones. The difference between us and the Giants is they can run the ball at will and are consistent...we can't run but can pass at will and are inconsistent. Running the ball trumps passing because you run the clock down.

If you think the Giants are great, then the Cards must be very, very good. They are not that far apart.

 

[D-Dogg]

b) as far as the "meltdowns"... sorry, you can discount the Giants all you want, but whether it was "meltdowns" on coverage teams or them just being better than us, either way... THEY WERE BETTER THAN US. .

They were better than us today. But we sure didn't do ourselves any favors.

But they didn't kick our butts as the title suggests. We did as much of that as they did.

I think it's my first post on this thread where I said that they took advantage of our mistakes. Good teams do that. We've been playing bad teams and thinking we can get by with simply playing ok. Playing a good (not great) team should show us we can't have mental breakdowns and blow tackles on back to back kick coverages. Just can't happen.

I don't think the Giants are bad...I just don't think they are great. They are really good, best in the NFC right now. They have a tougher schedule coming up,a nd we have a pretty weak one overall.

I would look forward to a rematch with them, and yes even in NY.

Again, the only team that beat our ass is the Jets, who beat us soundly and without any doubt. They also won today against the lossless Titans.

 

[Brewster10]

To be honest I thought we were gonna win today or at least play a game that went down to the wire..

They beat us more comfortably then I anticipated.. they were better than I thought, and I already thought they were the best team in the league..

Yes the final margin was 8, but not once in the second half after we went down 24-12 did we get the ball back with a chance to tie or go ahead.. and that to me means the game wasnt all that close..

Just watching, I felt they were the superior opponent.. and we were trying to hang on with our "gimmick" (and i mean that in a real nice way) offense...

Anyway, going to NY to play an NFC title game would be a ton of fun and would mean we had a helluva run... but i cant imagine going into that stadium and beating that team.. hell i cant imagine stayin close in a game like that

 

[D-Dogg]

Anyway, going to NY to play an NFC title game would be a ton of fun and would mean we had a helluva run... but i cant imagine going into that stadium and beating that team.. hell i cant imagine stayin close in a game like that

I think it would be a pretty similar game to this one. We'd likely lose it. If we got to rehost them at home by some miracle of down the stretch playing, we would have a good shot of taking them at home.

Regardless, it's fun to talk about the Cardinals as one of the top 4 teams in the NFC.