Hire a GM RIGHT NOW!!!!

[conraddobler]

Stop, take a deep breath and begin looking for a GM right now, firing Green now dosen't matter it's over take your time and find a GM.

The worst thing I think this organization could to is try to figure a way out of this mess on their own.

They've proven they can't hire coaches, they have zero feel for it, they need to take all their energy and focus on hiring a GM that's going to be hard enough to do right and I'm not exactly hopeful this crowd will get that right but that's the only hope, that they do just that and that they get lucky or that they follow a process that leads them to the right person.

 

[arthurracoon]

 

[Shane]

Ron Wolf is curreently unemployed.

 

[Russ Smith]

If we can't hire a good coach on our own what makes you think we can hire a good GM?

 

[conraddobler]

If we can't hire a good coach on our own what makes you think we can hire a good GM?

Nothing really but do you have a better idea?

 

[Russ Smith]

Nothing really but do you have a better idea?

No I'm just being argumentative because I have to go into a 2 hour pre Audit Sarbanes Oxley meeting in 15 minutes. 99% of it is IT which has nothing to do with my job, so I'm in a bad mood.

 

[conraddobler]

No I'm just being argumentative because I have to go into a 2 hour pre Audit Sarbanes Oxley meeting in 15 minutes. 99% of it is IT which has nothing to do with my job, so I'm in a bad mood.

That stinks,

Honestly I've said I'm just as scared or more scared that they'll get the GM thing wrong as I am scared they'll get the new coach wrong, something bad like getting a Detroit like GM is definitely possible here.

You have to start somewhere though, I think the field is smaller and so it makes the research easier to do, that and if I have relatively small football knowledge I can still evaluate a guy who's a GM better based on references and feel for his style than I could a coach IMO.

 

[Russ Smith]

That stinks,

Honestly I've said I'm just as scared or more scared that they'll get the GM thing wrong as I am scared they'll get the new coach wrong, something bad like getting a Detroit like GM is definitely possible here.

You have to start somewhere though, I think the field is smaller and so it makes the research easier to do, that and if I have relatively small football knowledge I can still evaluate a guy who's a GM better based on references and feel for his style than I could a coach IMO.

I agree but knowing us Bidwill will fire Green, and then ask him to recommend a GM, and we're hire Hargrave because Bidwill won't remember the guy was his TE coach until he fired Green.

 

[conraddobler]

I agree but knowing us Bidwill will fire Green, and then ask him to recommend a GM, and we're hire Hargrave because Bidwill won't remember the guy was his TE coach until he fired Green.

We'll I don't know what the answer is, the Chiefs have had Carl Peterson forever and I personally think he's not very good.

Stadium is always full, they're better than we are but Herm Edwards...? Ouch.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, this is destiny, we get Green he loads us up on some talent, we get insano lucky and get Leinart, that was a gift from God, but then we needed to navigate through getting Green canned without Leinart inadvertantly saving his job.

I feel like it's all working out like it should, however, when the Cardinals are involved, things can and do go wrong, horribly wrong, so I guess I'm numb and praying, all you can do.

 

[SunCityCarl]

Once again I'm on Conrad's bandwagon, if Michael wants to keep Rod Graves then give him a contract, if not give him a "letter box" of his stuff & a severance package. I guess what worries me as a Cards Season Ticket Holder is God forbid getting the wrong guy (aka Charlie Casserly &/or Matt Millen) or even worse the "right guy" (aka Ron Wolf) without a checkbook. Personally I don't think Ron Wolf would take this job on a bet...

 

[AZCB34]

I believe that the Cards will keep Graves and give him a contract. Rappin' Rod is exactly what the Bidwills want as a GM...guy who never rocks the boat. The question is, can Rod effectively run the draft now? Did he learn anything about how to evaluate talent and how to build a draft plan?

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

I believe that the Cards will keep Graves and give him a contract. Rappin' Rod is exactly what the Bidwills want as a GM...guy who never rocks the boat. The question is, can Rod effectively run the draft now? Did he learn anything about how to evaluate talent and how to build a draft plan?

I really hope you're not right. Graves is just as much a disgrace as DG and the Bidwills.

 

[BigRedArk]

Didn't the Texans hire Dan Reeves as a consultant a year or so ago? Maybe they could try that first? You know go at it with baby steps first. At least try and get an objective look at the whole organization maybe? BB would have to be willing to seriously consider said consultants recommendations too though provided they were worth considering.

 

[SunCityCarl]

Didn't the Texans hire Dan Reeves as a consultant a year or so ago? Maybe they could try that first? You know go at it with baby steps first. At least try and get an objective look at the whole organization maybe? BB would have to be willing to seriously consider said consultants recommendations too though provided they were worth considering.

Not a bad idea BigRedArk - Maybe Reeves or Vermeil or even Ron Wolf would "consult".....

 

[Cheesebeef]

I believe that the Cards will keep Graves and give him a contract. Rappin' Rod is exactly what the Bidwills want as a GM...guy who never rocks the boat. The question is, can Rod effectively run the draft now? Did he learn anything about how to evaluate talent and how to build a draft plan?

I'm going to say no, on all accounts.

 

[AZCB34]

I really hope you're not right. Graves is just as much a disgrace as DG and the Bidwills.

Here is the problem as I see it and why the Bidwills will fall back on Graves. If you guys accept the idea that the Bidwills are cheap as it relates to assistant coaches then that means they would be looking for a bargain GM.

Bidwills fire Denny but owe him $2.5 million next year
To Hire a top shelf GM, I would rpesume they would be talking at least another $2million, likely more
Then they have to pay a new HC

Graves would stay and work for a reasonable deal as GM. I also state again, that Graves is perfect because he does not rock the boat. No matter what he thinks, he would never hold the Bidwills feet to the fire (like some top shelf GM's might).

 

[Russ Smith]

We'll I don't know what the answer is, the Chiefs have had Carl Peterson forever and I personally think he's not very good.

Stadium is always full, they're better than we are but Herm Edwards...? Ouch.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, this is destiny, we get Green he loads us up on some talent, we get insano lucky and get Leinart, that was a gift from God, but then we needed to navigate through getting Green canned without Leinart inadvertantly saving his job.

I feel like it's all working out like it should, however, when the Cardinals are involved, things can and do go wrong, horribly wrong, so I guess I'm numb and praying, all you can do.

Love it when 2 hour meetings only run 30 minutes!!!

I'm totally in favor of a GM and I think Wolf would be ideal but I just think it's hard to get a GM in season. The Cards seem quite comfortable wtih Graves having no contract and no actual GM title, just seems unlikely Mr B is suddenly going to hire a GM?

But I wish he would.

 

[jefftheshark]

This would be my plan:

I could see DG being moved to GM, with Graves being kept in his same position. DG runs the drafts and Graves writes the contracts and manages the cap. Since this is a weak draft coming up anyway, we trade away a pick for Gruden. Gruden insists that his assistants come with him, or no deal. Hit FA hard & heavy for a new OL. Franchise Big, and pray like hell the gets taken off our hands and we end up with a high draft pick(s) for him.

The Shark

 

[AZCB34]

This would be my plan:

I could see DG being moved to GM, with Graves being kept in his same position. DG runs the drafts and Graves writes the contracts and manages the cap. Since this is a weak draft coming up anyway, we trade away a pick for Gruden. Gruden insists that his assistants come with him, or no deal. Hit FA hard & heavy for a new OL. Franchise Big, and pray like hell the gets taken off our hands and we end up with a high draft pick(s) for him.

The Shark

Either Denny stays at coach or he is 100% gone. Denny is not THAT great a talent evaluator. The Cards had so little in the cupboard that just about ANYTHING Denny did would make him look good and bring mroe talent here. If you look at his drafts, he is about right where alot of others are. Middle of the road.

I want Denny gone completely. I think it would be difficult to get any HC candidate in here with the spector of Denny hovering around.

 

[Cheesebeef]

This would be my plan:

I could see DG being moved to GM, with Graves being kept in his same position. DG runs the drafts and Graves writes the contracts and manages the cap. Since this is a weak draft coming up anyway, we trade away a pick for Gruden. Gruden insists that his assistants come with him, or no deal. Hit FA hard & heavy for a new OL. Franchise Big, and pray like hell the gets taken off our hands and we end up with a high draft pick(s) for him.

The Shark

this couldn't or wouldn't happen on any other team - period. What new HC is going to want to come in under the previous HC looking over his shoulder? The above would never happen and shouldn't ever happen.

 

[BigRedArk]

This would be my plan:

I could see DG being moved to GM

Would Green want the GM job in the first place though?

 

[Sandan]

No I'm just being argumentative because I have to go into a 2 hour pre Audit Sarbanes Oxley meeting in 15 minutes. 99% of it is IT which has nothing to do with my job, so I'm in a bad mood.

SBO audits would strain Gandi's sense of humor

 

[conraddobler]

Michael did step up hiring Green, it was a bold move, but remember it was pre-stadium.

I cannot stress this enough, Greens salary is more than covered in excess now 5 times over.

Fire Green, hire a GM, Wolf has worked on a budget before, that's not a problem, hire someone of his caliber please, oh God please, because I'm pretty sure this bunch will go off the deep end with someone like Martz if left to themselves, they need saving from themselves.

 

[BigRedArk]

Michael did step up hiring Green, it was a bold move, but remember it was pre-stadium.

I cannot stress this enough, Greens salary is more than covered in excess now 5 times over.

Fire Green, hire a GM, Wolf has worked on a budget before, that's not a problem, hire someone of his caliber please, oh God please, because I'm pretty sure this bunch will go off the deep end with someone like Martz if left to themselves, they need saving from themselves.

Do they ever conrad. It is a sad sad state of affairs when you keenly know that the FO needs to be saved from themselves. Scott Paoli we need you!!!

 

[conraddobler]

Do they ever conrad. It is a sad sad state of affairs when you keenly know that the FO needs to be saved from themselves. Scott Paoli we need you!!!

A thought occurs to me that if they keep the stadium full and they hire the right coach, a GM sort of pays for themselves IMO.

Bottom line, new stadium, new suites, naming rights, under the cap = **** about not wanting to afford one.

Eating coaches salaries, that's painful, paying a GM that knows what they are doing, priceless!

Just pray that when faced with the hiring choice of only one guy, that after they've used every ounce of skill and brain power they have, every ounce of research, thought of every angle, that we get some blind luck to save our butt in there, we deserve it!