Hockey Questions

[RugbyMuffin]

I have starting watching hockey. My future wife loves the sport and asked if I could start watching hockey with her. I know nothing of the sport and hadn't watched a hockey game in nearly 15 years.

I know this is a Coyotes board, but unfortunately I am rooting for the Pengiuns since that is her and her family's team.

My point ?

I was hoping I could be educated about that game. I have watched a good number of games this year, and have to admit I am enjoying watching the sport.

The first question I have is:

What determines when two guys are gonna fight ?

Sometimes I see two guys fighting in the middle of the game and sometimes there is a face off and the middle the puck drops the two guys throw down the gloves and got at it.

Is there a method to this ? Plus why is it not 4 on 4 after a fight ? I hear the annoucers say they get a major or something to that effect.

I was hoping someone could clear this up.

Thanks
RM

 

[MigratingOsprey]

fighting gets a little tricky now with all the rules and regs

for the most part it is done to attone for something that was done earlier in the game or some historical wrong (say an opponent runs a defenseless teamate at the end of a game - they may not be able to do anything then, but the bell will ring for such actions at some point)

sometimes a fight will happen to swing emotion

there are times when one team may want to go, but the team with the advantage will duck it as to keep them from getting energized

the ones that happen off the face offs are usually pretty calculated - both teams have a fighter on the ice - they have to wait until the faceoff is given and then they will square up - there is often conversation between them that it is their time to go

the ones that happen in the course of play are usually an emotional response to something that just happened on the ice

the thing they have to be careful about now is the instigator penatly, 3rd man in to a fight and instigating a fight late in the game

 

[Rockstar]

Fighting penalties are major penalties. There are three basic types of penalties; minors, double minors, and majors. A minor is the basic two minute type (ie high sticking), the double minor is essentially two minor penalties consecutively. The double minor is usually given say if that high stick draws blood. In a double minor the opposing team can score a goal which would end the first penalty and start the second. The player returns to the ice after four minutes or the opposing team scores two goals, whichever comes first.

Majors are 5 minutes in length and you the player given the penalty can't return onto the ice until the entire 5 minutes of game play are up. They are basically prohibited from playing for 5 minutes, but their team is still allowed to play 5 people at a time.

For more info check this site out:
http://www.njyhl.org/pages/hockey101/101_penalties.html

 

[MigratingOsprey]

not 100% with the major penalty

say a player gets a 5 min major for boarding (usually accompanied with some level of misconduct penalty) they will be the box for that whole time

the team will be shorthanded for the entire 5 minutes regardless of any scoring that transpires

i think with fighting it has do do with the same penalty being called on both players - so they just remove them from the ice, but do not penalize the teams by putting them down a player

 

[azsouthendzone]

Dude, if you want to enjoy the game you need to start with the basics like offsides. If you don't know offsides and icing you will never, ever, like the game. It would be like watching football not knowing what a first down is. The blue line controls possession and therefore the game. Learn that first, then get to fighting (although fights hardly exist anymore).

 

[MigratingOsprey]

agree with that

much more to understand basic penalties and the importance of the blue line

also find a minor league rink and go to a couple games - one game sit as close to the glass as you can

another sit up a ways

will allow you to get a couple really good perspectives on the game, for a little amount of money and usually with fans who really know what's going on

up close you can get a feel for the impact with the game and size of the players (even at a minor league level)

a little higher and you can watch the plays develop and look at all the off ice movement, the way the D men position themselves, the way they skate their lanes, etc - similar to basketball in a sense (or moreso lacrosse if you are into that)

the blue line does control the game though - if you don't understand offsides then you'll get pissed at why they keep blowing the whistle and setting up faceoffs

 

[azsouthendzone]

the blue line does control the game though - if you don't understand offsides then you'll get pissed at why they keep blowing the whistle and setting up faceoffs

Ask any "hockey hater" what offsides is and 99% have no clue. The blue line literally is the game for the most part. It sets up the offensive flow, power play, and defensive strategy. There is nothing like a great set of point men like on Detroit that execute a power play.

If you have a video game console, a great way to learn the rules is to rent NHL 08.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

video games do help as well - nice point

do they still do the "hockey rules" segments on national broadcasts?

I don't remember seeing one in a while - but I thought those were good in that they took 20 seconds to help break down the game to newbies

 

[azsouthendzone]

video games do help as well - nice point

do they still do the "hockey rules" segments on national broadcasts?

I don't remember seeing one in a while - but I thought those were good in that they took 20 seconds to help break down the game to newbies

National broadcast? What is that?

 

[Kel Varnsen]

National broadcast? What is that?

Started with the Winter Classic, I believe.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

the point still remains

the limited broadcast schedule both last year and this year on a major network hurts

having a station in the 600s be your primary source of national broadcast hurts

getting zero coverage from ESPN because they no longer have a vested interest in you hurts

 

[NightHawk11and81]

Since nobody has, I'll give an explanation of offsides and icing.

Offsides is called when a player on the offensive team enters the attacking zone (the ice between the opposing team's goalie and the blue line closest to the goal) prior to the puck entering the offensive zone. Offsides is not called in the NHL until the puck enters the attacking zone, giving players a chance to get back onside. I believe this is not true in international hockey. The resulting faceoff is taken at one of the points on the ice (the red dots not in a circle near the blue line)

Icing is called when a player, while in his team's half of the rink, fires the puck past the goal line (not into the net, obviously) and the first player to touch the puck is a skater on the opposing team (anyone but the goalie). Icing results in a faceoff in one of the two circles closest to the goal of the team that was called for icing. There is one exception to the icing rule: If a team is shorthanded (killing a penalty), the team cannot be called for icing until the penalty is over and the teams return to even strength.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

the point still remains

the limited broadcast schedule both last year and this year on a major network hurts

having a station in the 600s be your primary source of national broadcast hurts

getting zero coverage from ESPN because they no longer have a vested interest in you hurts

I bought my girl DirecTV Center Ice for Xmas. I have no lack of games to watch

I kinda get offside.....it is like it is in soccer ? Or something to that effect ?

I have a rule book by my lazy boy so when I have questions I look into that....but I want to keep reading this thread I think the post under this has some info.

Thanks already guys this is great stuff.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I have starting watching hockey. My future wife loves the sport and asked if I could start watching hockey with her. I know nothing of the sport and hadn't watched a hockey game in nearly 15 years.

I know this is a Coyotes board, but unfortunately I am rooting for the Pengiuns since that is her and her family's team.

My point ?

I was hoping I could be educated about that game. I have watched a good number of games this year, and have to admit I am enjoying watching the sport.

The first question I have is:

What determines when two guys are gonna fight ?

Sometimes I see two guys fighting in the middle of the game and sometimes there is a face off and the middle the puck drops the two guys throw down the gloves and got at it.

Is there a method to this ? Plus why is it not 4 on 4 after a fight ? I hear the annoucers say they get a major or something to that effect.

I was hoping someone could clear this up.

Thanks
RM

Oh, and another thing.

Is there a reason why they fight ? What is the motivation ? Are the two guys p!ssed at each other ?

I understand when they are scrapping it up in front of the net and things get heated. I mean I play rugby and there are plenty of "scuffles".

But I don't understand why they do it off a face off.

It probably is one of those things where "If you played hockey you would understand" kinda things. But I am curious.

BTW - I think I am officially hooked. I watched the Panther vs. Pengiuns yesterday and I had my first, jump outta my chair and cheer moment while watching hockey. It was a sick pass that scooted between the goalie and a couple defensemen that ended up in a goal. The skill these guys have passing the puck out there is nothing short of impressive.

Oh, and I found out what the +/- stats is too yesterday. That is a cool stat.

 

[azsouthendzone]

Oh, and another thing.

Is there a reason why they fight ? What is the motivation ? Are the two guys p!ssed at each other ?

I understand when they are scrapping it up in front of the net and things get heated. I mean I play rugby and there are plenty of "scuffles".

But I don't understand why they do it off a face off.

It probably is one of those things where "If you played hockey you would understand" kinda things. But I am curious.

BTW - I think I am officially hooked. I watched the Panther vs. Pengiuns yesterday and I had my first, jump outta my chair and cheer moment while watching hockey. It was a sick pass that scooted between the goalie and a couple defensemen that ended up in a goal. The skill these guys have passing the puck out there is nothing short of impressive.

Oh, and I found out what the +/- stats is too yesterday. That is a cool stat.

Fighting has a few purposes. The first one is protection. You don't want a team manhandling one of your offensive star players. Getting physical would distract your star offensive player from doing his thing in the offensive zone and could cause injury, so say Martin St. Louis enters the zone and gets obliterated by an opposing player after getting repeatedly hit.....DROP THE GLOVES.

Another reason is to spark the team. If the team is struggling and it appears they are having a hard time maintaining posession or it looks like the other team could be on its way to a blow out...DROP THE GLOVES! It can play with the opposition's psyche and get your team off the shnide.

Another treason is that you have a past or that you just hate someone. That is why Avery and Doan always go at it.

However the instigator rule has clearly taken fighting out of games. Enforcers are becoming less valuable if they don't have any other skills whereas before teams would have a few guys whose main purpose was to fight. Stupid rule.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I got another question.....

Is this the new face of hockey ?

 

[azsouthendzone]

No. This is the new face of hockey.

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[RugbyMuffin]

No. This is the new face of hockey.

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Darn, tootin!

:saysthepenguinfan:

 

[NightHawk11and81]

They're both faces of hockey. So are Daniel Alfredsson, Vincent Lecavalier, Ilya Kovalchuk and Roberto Luongo.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

They're both faces of hockey. So are Daniel Alfredsson, Vincent Lecavalier, Ilya Kovalchuk and Roberto Luongo.

I got to watch the guy in bold this weekend. He is pretty good.

The Crosby injury sucked tho. I am going to see the Pens this Thursday. It will still be fun tho.

 

[NightHawk11and81]

I got to watch the guy in bold this weekend. He is pretty good.

The Crosby injury sucked tho. I am going to see the Pens this Thursday. It will still be fun tho.

Any hockey game live is terrific. The Penguins still have good players besides Crosby. Keep your eye on Evengi Malkin and Jordan Staal, for example.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Any hockey game live is terrific. The Penguins still have good players besides Crosby. Keep your eye on Evengi Malkin and Jordan Staal, for example.

Malkin seems to be pretty darn good. He had a very impressive game against the capitals.

I was told Staal was really good last year, and still is but he is more of a defensive guy, which being a new fan of the sport I have no idea what he does that makes him good on defense.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I know this thread is getting pretty long but I do have a new question.

I saw a goal that was "reviewed" by the referees. Something about a shot that was deflected and it might not have been a goal if the guy who reflected the shot's stick was too high.

It was something around those lines. I didn't really get the jist of it since the guys anouncing on VS. suck.

Any ideas?

 

[azsouthendzone]

I know this thread is getting pretty long but I do have a new question.

I saw a goal that was "reviewed" by the referees. Something about a shot that was deflected and it might not have been a goal if the guy who reflected the shot's stick was too high.

It was something around those lines. I didn't really get the jist of it since the guys anouncing on VS. suck.

Any ideas?

Rule 93 Video Goal Judge



No goal may be awarded (or disallowed) as a result of video review once the puck has been dropped and play has resumed following the first stoppage of play after the potential goal.

The following situations are subject to review by the Video Goal Judge:


Puck crossing the goal line.

Puck in the net prior to the goal frame being dislodged.

Puck in the net prior to, or after expiration of time at the end of the period.

Puck directed into the net by a hand or foot. With the use of a foot/skate, was a distinct kicking motion evident? If so, the apparent goal must be disallowed. If the Video Goal Judge determines that it was put into the net by an attacking player using a distinct kicking motion, it must be ruled NO GOAL. This would also be true even if the puck, after being kicked, deflects off any other player of either team and then into the net. This is still NO GOAL.

Puck deflected into the net off an Official.

Puck struck with a high-stick, above the height of the crossbar, by an attacking player prior to entering the goal. The determining factor is where the puck makes contact with the stick. If the puck makes contact with the stick below the level of the crossbar and enters the goal, this goal shall be allowed.

To establish the correct time on the official game clock, provided the game time is visible on the Video Goal Judge's monitors.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Awesome. Thanks, that clears it up.

The was a goal waved off before as well. That was probably cause it went off the guys hand/arm.

Good stuff.