Horn might be available, but is he worth the money

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Saints | Horn Contract Issues Still a Problem - posted at KFFL (http://nfl.kffl.com)
13:59 PT: The Times-Picayune reports New Orleans Saints WR Joe Horn isn’t happy with the slow pace his contract negotiations with the team has gone along at and he’s not currently participating in the team’s off-season conditioning program. He’s one of only a handful of players not attending and the only one without permission to skip the workouts. He also plans to skip the team’s first mini-camp in early May. He’s looking for a deal in the seven-year, $40 million range.<p>This guy hasn't missed a game in the last 3 seasons and is averaging close to 90 catches and 1300 yards per season (avg. 8 TD's). The question is---is he worth $40M for seven years? Of course, we could always trade TJ for him:D
 

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I would pay Joe Horn! The dude is a player!!!

But I know for a fact that Mcginnis would not want someone with his TOTAL ME attitude on this team.

By the way Joe horn just broke his leg last year and he did miss some time Im almost 100% certain!
 

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Hey 40yearfan you might wat to change your saying to having Emmitt starting at the 30 yard line because if he breaks it from the 50 you can pretty much guarantee he will be caughtby someone :)

Just a suggestion.
 
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Originally posted by Shane H
Hey 40yearfan you might wat to change your saying to having Emmitt starting at the 30 yard line because if he breaks it from the 50 you can pretty much guarantee he will be caughtby someone :)

Just a suggestion.
<p>C'mon Shane. That's why we got all those young WR's. They'll be downfield blocking for Emmitt to get him those 50 yards:D
 
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Originally posted by Shane H
I would pay Joe Horn! The dude is a player!!!

But I know for a fact that Mcginnis would not want someone with his TOTAL ME attitude on this team.

By the way Joe horn just broke his leg last year and he did miss some time Im almost 100% certain!
<p> I just checked. He started all 16 games for the last 3 years.
 

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Originally posted by 40yearfan
<p>C'mon Shane. That's why we got all those young WR's. They'll be downfield blocking for Emmitt to get him those 50 yards:D

I hope your right. But I just dont see WRs blocking the defenders bringing up the rear. Many of which will have the speed to catch Emmitt. Sorry Emmitt never was fast and now at this age hes even slower.
 

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Originally posted by 40yearfan
<p> I just checked. He started all 16 games for the last 3 years.

Color me stupid because I remember watching a Saints game last year with him in an air cast and on crutches. The announcer said the guy was insane becasue he was still begging the coach to let him play. Maybe it was a in game injury and played partially.

One tough dude!

Like I said hes a player!
 
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I would love to get Horn. He's a good player and what we need so desperatly. I'd give him that deal. 10 Mill signing Bonus and it comes to 4.3 mill a year. The only question is How old is he? Does he have that many years left in the tank? Isn't he over 30 right now? If so we'd better structure the contract so we can cut him after the 3rd or 4th year with a minimal cap hit. I no nothing about that cap, so I won't even try to guess how that would work.
 
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Joe Horn #87
Height: 6-1
Weight: 206
Born: 01/16/1972
College: ItawambaCCMS
NFL Experience: 8<p>Looks like he just turned 31 in January.
 

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If there is any WR you should want on your team its Joe Horn.. He knows how it feels to be one of our WR.. Young and talented but unproven.. When given the chance Horn was a huge suprise. Who better to have as our #1 then a guy who can relate to our young wrs and also a guy who plays as intense as anyone in the game.
 

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Pay him.

Not certain of the legality with speaking to him at this point, but the Cards should get in his ear about the pillow stuffed with money that he'll be sleeping on after he signs with us.
 
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Is Horn a free agent. or are the Saints trying to sign him to an extention? I would definately go for having Horn here...
 
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Talk about a locker room cancer. According to sources in N.O. Horn has been the male outsidr that has caused 2 divorces of Saints players. He also is supposed to be the father of Willie Roaf"s ex-wifes child. Prior to the break-up. Supposedly, this was the reason that Roaf demanded a trade to the Chiefs last year. ( The source that I am paraphrasing was the Night time sports radio station out of New Orleans. )
 

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Originally posted by Cardinals.Ken
Is Horn a free agent. or are the Saints trying to sign him to an extention? I would definately go for having Horn here...

He's not a free agent, the squabble is over an extension. Can't hurt to see what they'd want in a trade.
 

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yeah, then he and frank johnson can go out and troll for other people's wives . . .
 

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Horn's no-show puts more distance in talks

By Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com


The New Orleans Saints wrapped up a weekend mini-camp Sunday with no sign of star wide receiver Joe Horn.

And with negotiations toward a contract extension once again stalled, there's really no idea of when they might see him back on the practice field.

Only last month, following two days of meetings between agent Ralph Vitolo and Saints officials, it appeared a new deal was imminent. But the team has finished the first of its offseason training sessions, is planning a second mini-camp in June, and the optimism that accompanied last month's contract discussions has faded.

"I would say it's fair to conclude we've taken a step backwards on the thing," said Vitolo, who said he broke off negotiations with general manager Mickey Loomis last Wednesday and hasn't heard from New Orleans officials since then. "Obviously, (Horn) wasn't at the mini-camp and he won't be at the next one, either, until the issue is resolved."

The boycott is similar to one staged by Horn last spring, when he began lamenting that he has outplayed his contract, but could grow nastier than the 2002 disagreement.

Vitolo, who has exchanged a variety of proposal designs with Loomis, probably will fly to New Orleans this week in an attempt to keep the acrimony to a minimum while also maximizing his client's earning power. But the Saints have several sticking points -- the fact Horn still has two years left on his existing contract, and that he is 31 years old, chief among them -- and there clearly are roadblocks to be navigated.

In his three seasons with the club, the seven-year pro has been a veritable pass-catching cornucopia, basically a Joe Horn of Plenty, having averaged 88.3 receptions, 1,305.7 yards and eight touchdowns. Over his first four NFL seasons, in Kansas City, he totaled 53 catches, 879 yards and seven scores. Horn has topped those numbers every year he has been in a Saints uniform.

One example of how essential Horn is to the New Orleans passing game: In 2002, the team's other two top wideouts, Jerome Pathon and Donte Stallworth, has three fewer combined catches and 195 less aggregate yards than Horn posted individually. Clearly, the guy is no ordinary Joe, and that is the message Vitolo hopes to deliver this week.

"I know and understand," Vitolo said, "they've got some concerns. But they also know the kind of player Joe has been for them. He's got good, productive seasons remaining, and him not being there doesn't help anybody. But he won't be there, and he's solid on that, until this thing is worked out."

Horn is scheduled to earn a base salary of $2.7 million for 2003, with a roster bonus of $200,000 and an offseason workout bonus of $100,000 for which he almost certainly will not meet the qualifications. In 2004, the final season of his current deal, his base salary is $2.9 million and he is due a $100,000 roster bonus.

The two sides have talked about contract extensions long and short, signing bonuses of between $5 million-$7 million, about a variety of structures that would meet the needs of Horn and of New Orleans management. The goal of Vitolo, who suggested that both his client and Saints coach Jim Haslett "share the same frustrations," is to identify and then seize some kind of middle ground.

During his absence from the mandatory weekend camp, Horn was fined, probably at the league maximum rate of $5,000 per day. But that appears to be pocket change in the fight he is waging for big bucks and, Vitolo insisted, for the kind of respect best represented by the number of zeroes in a paycheck.

New Orleans is one of the NFL's most exciting young teams, and Haslett and Loomis have parlayed trades and draft choices into a very solid roster, but one without a proven threat at Horn's level. Pathon and second-year veteran Stallworth, a first-round choice in the 2002 draft, are only as good as their habitually balky hamstrings. For his part, Horn was barely a role player before he arrived in New Orleans, and certainly the opportunity the Saints provided him boosted a previously nondescript career.

That is, in part, why Vitolo is anxious to jump-start talks again, if possible. The period between mini-camps presents a calm, of sorts, a respite for remedying grievances.

"I think we all want to avoid a storm," Vitolo said. "This is the time to try to do it."


Len Pasquarelli is a senior writer for ESPN.com.




http://espn.go.com/nfl/columns/pasquarelli_len/1549055.html
 

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Originally posted by Shane H
I would pay Joe Horn! The dude is a player!!!

But I know for a fact that Mcginnis would not want someone with his TOTAL ME attitude on this team.

By the way Joe horn just broke his leg last year and he did miss some time Im almost 100% certain!

If Rod Graves trades for him, doesn't matter what Mac wants. Let's not forget who is really in charge of this organization.

Having said that, Horn is a player for sure. I would take him but you have to weigh the headaches he may bring off the field (by that I mean potential attitude issues). Not sure he is a ME player per se but certainly he is little different from alot of players these days.
 

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Originally posted by CaliforniaCard
Heck yeah we should pay him.

Whaddya think about this?

Our 1st and 2nd, or swap 2nd's for their 2 1st's and Horn

Hindsight is 20-20 huh
 

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No way

Joe Horn #87
Height: 6-1
Weight: 206
Born: 01/16/1972
College: ItawambaCCMS
NFL Experience: 8

Shades of Rob Moore.
 

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Re: No way

Originally posted by RugbyMuffin
Joe Horn #87
Height: 6-1
Weight: 206
Born: 01/16/1972
College: ItawambaCCMS
NFL Experience: 8

Shades of Rob Moore.


Joe Horn is an absolute stud and he's in his prime. Three straight 80+ catch seasons at about 1200 yards per. At this point he is a WAY better receiver than Boston, Jenkins, Robinson or anyone else we could be lamenting over.
 

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Remember the last time Jeff Blake and Joe Horn hooked up they won SIX CONSECUTIVE games in a row and brought the "rebuilding" New Orleans Saints into Super-Bowl contention. (2000). Then Jeff broke his foot and Aaron Brooks took over. St. Louis, San Francisco and Seattle will not let that history repeat itself without some kind of financial "fisticuff " actions.
 

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