Housing Market Stumbles

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Wow... these are amazingly low/depressed numbers. No amount of gov't intervention will provide a fix. It's all about jobs, period. And with then outlook for the labor market forecasted to deteriorate over the balance of 2010, this housing situation is going to get a ton worse - if that's possible... Wow...

By NICK TIMIRAOS and ROBBIE WHELAN

The housing market, whose collapse pulled the economy into recession in late 2007, is stalling again.

In major markets across the country, home sales are deteriorating, inventories of unsold homes are piling up and builders are scaling back construction plans. The expiration of a federal home-buyers tax credit at the end of April is weighing on the market.

On Tuesday, the U.S. Census Bureau said single-family housing starts in June fell by 0.7%, to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 454,000. The U.S. started 1.47 million homes in 2006, before the housing bubble popped.

Future construction looks even weaker. Permits for single-family starts fell 3% in June, following big declines in both May and April. "We're hovering at post-World War II lows," said Ivy Zelman, president of Zelman & Associates, a research firm.

Economists aren't singling out one reason for the stalling housing market. A variety of factors have led to flagging confidence, they say, including sluggish labor markets, global economic turmoil and falling stock prices.
While the housing downturn dragged the economy into a recession nearly three years ago, now it is the economy that is pulling down housing, says economist Patrick Newport at IHS Global Insight. Without sustained job growth, the housing market likely won't improve. That in turn will ricochet across manufacturing, retail and other trades heavily dependent on home building and consumer spending.

The Wall Street Journal's quarterly survey of housing-market conditions in 28 major metropolitan areas shows that inventory levels have grown in many markets. But inventory fell in some of the weakest ones, including several Florida markets, Atlanta, and Charlotte, N.C.

At the end of June, inventory was up 33% from year-ago levels in San Diego, and by 19% and 15% in Los Angeles and Orange County, Calif., respectively, according to data compiled by John Burns Real Estate Consulting. Rising inventory can lead to price declines later.
Jeff Gans, a 45-year-old engineer from Baltimore who designs software for car manufacturers, has contemplated buying a house or condo for more than a year. But concerns about job stability have kept him on the sidelines.

Even falling interest rates aren't enough to whet consumer appetites for housing. Last week, the average rate on a 30-year fixed-rate mortgage was quoted at 4.57%, according to Freddie Mac, the lowest since its survey began in 1971. But demand for home-purchase mortgages sits near 14-year lows, according to the Mortgage Bankers Association, down 44% over the past two months.

The government last fall extended tax credits worth up to $8,000 to home buyers who signed contracts by April 30, causing sales to surge early this year. Those buyers had until June 30 to close their sales until Congress, concerned that the backlog of sales wouldn't close in time, extended the deadline through September.

Analysts long expected the withdrawal of a federal tax credit, which had juiced sales, to lead to a slower-than-usual summer.
"It's the magnitude that's been the issue,'' says Douglas Duncan, chief economist at Fannie Mae. "The drop-off in activity has surpassed expectations.''

Reports should show that completed transactions of home sales held up through June. But newly signed contracts in May and June have plunged.
To be sure, some housing markets show signs of healing. Home-sales activity in New York, Washington, D.C., and parts of California continue to improve. But other markets, including Tampa, Fla., and Chicago, face rising foreclosures and weak job growth.

Low mortgage rates and falling prices have made homes more affordable in many markets than at any time in the past decade. But those affordability gains have been offset for many buyers by tighter lending standards, particularly for "jumbo" loans that are too large for government backing. Banks are requiring down payments of 20% and more and strong credit scores because they must hold jumbo loans in their portfolios.
More broadly, the housing market faces two big problems: too many homes and falling demand. More than seven million borrowers are 30 days or more past due on their mortgage payments or in some stage of foreclosure. Rising foreclosures will keep pressure on prices as banks put more homes on the market.

Last month, nearly 39,000 borrowers received government-backed loan modifications, but more than 90,000 borrowers fell out of the program, the Obama administration said on Tuesday.
Moreover, the pool of potential buyers remains constrained by the unprecedented number of homeowners who are underwater, or who owe more than their homes are worth.

That's making it particularly hard for traditional "trade up" homeowners like Maria Billis to pull the trigger on a home purchase. Ms. Billis can't sell her townhouse in Boynton Beach, Fla., because its value has fallen by a quarter. That puts it below the $160,000 that she owes the bank.
The 31-year-old human resources consultant, who married last month and wants to start a family, found a half-dozen homes in her price range but doesn't want to sell her current home for less than the amount owed. She has considered buying the new home and renting the townhouse, but concedes, "It's a big risk."

Mortgage-finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac also are starting to push more repossessed homes onto the market. The companies owned 164,000 homes at the end of March, up 80% from a year ago.

Another reason inventory is rising: "Unrealistic sellers have flooded the market" after reports of bidding wars and home-price increases earlier in the year, says Steven Thomas, president of Altera Real Estate, a brokerage in Orange County. The amount of time that homes there have sat on the market there has swelled to 3.78 months, up from 2.35 months in April.

"The sellers think the market's coming back. They've tacked on an extra 5 to 10 to 15%. The buyers aren't going for it," says Jim Klinge, a real-estate agent in Carlsbad, Calif. Over the next six months, "it's going to feel like a double-dip because sellers are going to have to lower their prices."

Not all sellers will take that step. Jerry Anderson has listed his four-bedroom home in Dana Point, Calif., on and off the market for the last two years. He's cut the price to $1.25 million, down from $1.75 million, but hasn't had any offers on the home, which has three fireplaces and ocean views.

Mr. Anderson, who bought the home in 1987, says he'll take it off the market in December if it doesn't sell rather than cut the price.
Matt Carney listed his Moreno Valley, Calif., home for $337,000 in February, and lowered the price on Tuesday for the third time, to $297,000. He says he can't go any lower because he owes $274,000 on the home and doesn't want to dip into savings to pay for transaction costs.

Write to Nick Timiraos at [email protected]
 

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The national market has become impossible to analyze as a whole. There are segments of Phoenix that are at 1/5th original sales price. There are segments that have retained 100 percent of value from three years ago. This is how it's going to be for at least a couple of years until we can clear out the toxic inventory.
 

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The national market has become impossible to analyze as a whole. There are segments of Phoenix that are at 1/5th original sales price. There are segments that have retained 100 percent of value from three years ago. This is how it's going to be for at least a couple of years until we can clear out the toxic inventory.

When it clears though it should be epic, since home building has screeched to a halt at least here.

If inflation in materials resumes you're going to get a sudden whoosh in prices as the slack comes out, but that could take years to come out.

Houses are routinely selling at half the cost to contruct them as foreclosures, this will only go on so long.
 

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California just extended the state credit to September 30th. You have to have started the purchase by April 30, but you now have until the end of September to close on it. They estimate that will cost 180 million in tax credits.
 

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Matt,

How much of the shadow inventory never hits the MLS you think?

I've toyed with trying to buy a foreclosure, I know where to look on Fannies and Freddie's sites as well as HUD's but as quick as a good buy hits it's gone.

My theory is that realtors that specialize in that are never letting them really hit the market and are just feeding some investors because it's near impossible to get a bid in before they're gone.

I have two in my neighborhood, both of them have been vacant almost over a year, no sign in the yard.

The lions share of foreclosures go through Freddie, Fannie or HUD, and I notice there's like one realtor per area that handles all of them.

This seems fishy to me.

The problem with this is that we the people are picking up the freaking tab on this, they have a fiduciary duty to get bids on this and I don't believe they are.

JMO.
 
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Matt,

How much of the shadow inventory never hits the MLS you think?

I've toyed with trying to buy a foreclosure, I know where to look on Fannies and Freddie's sites as well as HUD's but as quick as a good buy hits it's gone.

My theory is that realtors that specialize in that are never letting them really hit the market and are just feeding some investors because it's near impossible to get a bid in before they're gone.

I have two in my neighborhood, both of them have been vacant almost over a year, no sign in the yard.

The lions share of foreclosures go through Freddie, Fannie or HUD, and I notice there's like one realtor per area that handles all of them.

This seems fishy to me.

The problem with this is that we the people are picking up the freaking tab on this, they have a fiduciary duty to get bids on this and I don't believe they are.

JMO.


I know several realtors here in the Valley who are engaged in this activity, and are making serious coin as a result! There seems to be a good number of "investors" walking around with cash, who are indeed scooping up foreclosures and/or short-sales at a hectic clip... Many are paying all cash, some are putting a minimum down and grabbing a mortgage. I was under the impression that mortgage companies were somehow controlling the potential of flipping homes, however, I don't see any evidence of that.
 

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I know several realtors here in the Valley who are engaged in this activity, and are making serious coin as a result! There seems to be a good number of "investors" walking around with cash, who are indeed scooping up foreclosures and/or short-sales at a hectic clip... Many are paying all cash, some are putting a minimum down and grabbing a mortgage. I was under the impression that mortgage companies were somehow controlling the potential of flipping homes, however, I don't see any evidence of that.

Well controlling is tough to do.

There are strict rules on it, even HUD has a 90 day rule that's tough to get around but it only stops rampant flipping.

If an investor has the dough to buy and hold and can wait 6 months to a year holding then there's little anyone can do to stop it from a loan standpoint but they won't be flipping them real fast.

If I buy a 300k home I can sell easy and fast for 200k and I get that home at say 100k, then is 10k or so max holding costs a problem to me? No.

We the people are getting creamed here though, the loss taken on these is OURS and to add insult to injury, the home values around these are DECIMATED this way.

The current home owners and tax payers are getting killed while people are getting rich off this.

The reasoning on high I bet, I don't know, is that it's best to do it this way to work through the crazy amounts of these, but it lacks complete integrity IMO.

You are obliged as a fiduciary on this to get as much as you can to make it right by the taxpayer IMO, failure to do so is bad IMO.

See here's my point about ethics and laws now, there are already laws here, there are already things in place to stop this and it's not as if it's not somewhat apparent.

I'm not accusing anyone in particular by I see smoke and IMO if I can see smoke, then where are the cops?

Stopping this is as easy as requiring these to hit the MLS and remain there for x days, EVERY time and take bids online, so theres a record, problem fixed, I'm only concerned that people can bid and do, I'm only trying to avoid someone smoking these for 100k less than another bidder would of paid or more, this is bidding 101.

Where are the cops?
 
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How much of the shadow inventory never hits the MLS you think?

Lenders make it their agents' fiduciary responsibility to make sure those properties get full market exposure. If there are backroom deals going on, we're talking about real estate firms way too wealthy to be tied down to something as pedestrian as Realtor orgs and MLS. In this case we're talking about wholesale deals where dozens or even hundreds of properties are moved in one deal. Maybe companies doing 1031 exchanges.

In those instances, the public was never going to see them, anyway.
 

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The house that I am renting was auctioned last week. I spoke with the guys that bought it - they typically have 15 or so houses in their inventory. They buy, put 15-20K into them, then sell. They borrow the money (at auction, you have to pay in full by the end of the next day).


They have agreed to sell it to me, as long as financing goes through.
 

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The house that I am renting was auctioned last week. I spoke with the guys that bought it - they typically have 15 or so houses in their inventory. They buy, put 15-20K into them, then sell. They borrow the money (at auction, you have to pay in full by the end of the next day).


They have agreed to sell it to me, as long as financing goes through.

Congrats.
 

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The house that I am renting was auctioned last week. I spoke with the guys that bought it - they typically have 15 or so houses in their inventory. They buy, put 15-20K into them, then sell. They borrow the money (at auction, you have to pay in full by the end of the next day).


They have agreed to sell it to me, as long as financing goes through.
That is great news! I know you didn't want to move.
 

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Flipping rules are going to make that tough to buy that before at least 90 days goes by.
 

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Flipping rules are going to make that tough to buy that before at least 90 days goes by.

Mortgage guy doesn't seem to think that will be a problem, give the set of circumstances. He, and a friend who is in real estate in Florida say that HUD/FHA have issued a new set of guidelines relaxing those rules, in order to speed up sales.
 

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Mortgage guy doesn't seem to think that will be a problem, give the set of circumstances. He, and a friend who is in real estate in Florida say that HUD/FHA have issued a new set of guidelines relaxing those rules, in order to speed up sales.

http://www.hud.gov/offices/hsg/sfh/currentwaiver.pdf

Theres the current text of the waiver on flipping rules you can see if it meets your situation.
 
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