Houston Chronicle: Stoudemire goes for jugular

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March 16, 2004, 12:40AM

Stoudemire goes for jugular
Suns forward calls Francis `idiot' after being hit with forearm

By MEGAN MANFULL

Amare Stoudemire stood beside his locker still baffled and angry. He didn't understand what prompted Steve Francis to approach him in the third quarter of Monday's game and thrust his left forearm into Stoudemire's throat.

Stoudemire, the second-year Suns forward, had just completed a dunk over Yao Ming that cut Phoenix's deficit to nine points. After dunking, Stoudemire turned toward the crowd and screamed. When he turned back toward the court, Francis nailed him in the throat.

"It was out of nowhere," Stoudemire said. "I don't know why would he even think of doing something like that when I didn't even dunk on him. You know what I mean? I guess he got a little upset that we were coming back. I mean, why would he put his forearm around my throat? That's not being a professional basketball player. That's being more of an idiot. And I got really angry after that."

The dunk pumped up Stoudemire and his teammates, who went on to upset the Rockets 99-97 at Toyota Center.

The victory did not make Stoudemire forget about the confrontation, however.

As upset as Stoudemire was with Francis, he was just as angry with the officials who handed out a double technical and did not eject Francis. Stoudemire said the officials told the Suns' bench that Stoudemire was handed the technical for not walking away.

NBA rules allow referees to talk to a pool reporter about rule interpretations after games, but the officials declined the media's request on Monday.

"Steve initiated contact first, so there should be no double technical on that," Suns forward Shawn Marion said. "The refs have got to look at that and judge that. I'm pretty sure they know that it shouldn't have been two technicals.

"(Stoudemire) had the right to retaliate for that. If someone comes up and shoves you like that, you can retaliate. (Francis) should have been gone. Honestly, he should have been ejected from the game. But the referees judge that, and that's what we're stuck with."

Stoudemire was infuriated after Francis hit him, but he didn't retaliate. Instead, Stoudemire clenched his fist at his side and took a step toward Francis. Francis didn't budge and pushed Stoudemire away again. Officials and teammates intervened to keep the two apart.

While the Suns were upset about the incident, Francis dismissed it as something that wasn't worth discussing.

"It was nothing; it was just something within the game," he said. "Something that happens between players. It's not personal. I left it on the basketball court."

So did Stoudemire. He didn't attempt to land a punch, but he delivered a bigger blow by helping his team erase a 21-point deficit to beat the Rockets in overtime. Stoudemire, who finished with 24 points, 15 rebounds and four blocks, hit a key hook shot with 27.6 seconds left in overtime to give the Suns a 97-96 lead.

"If something like that happens, just walk away from it and take it out on them on the court," Stoudemire said.

Stoudemire did want to send a message to the league after the game, however. He made it clear that he thinks players who throw punches -- or elbows or forearms -- should be ejected.

League rules say that if a punch is thrown -- even if it doesn't land -- above the shoulders, the player should be ejected. If a punch is thrown below the shoulders, officials decide whether to eject the player. The rules specifically mention fists and elbows when talking about punches, but there is no mention of forearms.

"In this league, if you put your hands on somebody you have got to get ejected," Stoudemire said. "I mean, that's like a fight. You know what I mean? If anybody puts their hands on anybody else after the play and it's a fighting gesture, you have to go. You have to go.

"He put his forearm at my throat. Come on, man. That's not the game of basketball. That shouldn't be in any sport."
 

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There are times when Amare Stoudemire says something to reporters or television analysts, and I just keep hoping he'll stop. He's a high schooler, and is not especially well spoken. He also tends to repeat the same cliché statements over and over ("you've got to take care of business"). I am very impressed with his comments in the article above. It shows a level of maturity that he generally do not see from any NBA players much less a kid who should be a freshman or sophomore in college.

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Originally posted by Joe Mama
There are times when Amare Stoudemire says something to reporters or television analysts, and I just keep hoping he'll stop. He's a high schooler, and is not especially well spoken. He also tends to repeat the same cliché statements over and over ("you've got to take care of business"). I am very impressed with his comments in the article above. It shows a level of maturity that he generally do not see from any NBA players much less a kid who should be a freshman or sophomore in college.

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I agree last year he would always say... "You know, You know" , but this year he has realy cut that down alot.
 

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I was also impressed with the quotes from Amare. I was also impressed the Houston paper has this article. From what I have heard Rocket fans aren't to enamored with Stevie "Franchise" right now.



The most painful interview has to be Marion.

He has improved a lot and I can tell he is a little more comfortable now. I still can't understand what he is saying half the time however.
 

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Originally posted by SirChaz


The most painful interview has to be Marion.

He has improved a lot and I can tell he is a little more comfortable now. I still can't understand what he is saying half the time however.

Man, you know what I mean, he should take a clue from the movie Bull Durham, you know what I mean, and get some pointers on what to say, you know what I mean?:bang:

Perhaps the tongue could be controlled .... that would help, you know what I mean?:D
 

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Things like this make me worry about Amare. It seems his heads getting a lil big. Does it seem that way, or is it just me?
 

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Originally posted by Phill11
Things like this make me worry about Amare. It seems his heads getting a lil big. Does it seem that way, or is it just me?

I think some of that is to be expected.

If I could play basketball like him my hat size might go up a little. :D
 

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Originally posted by Phill11
Things like this make me worry about Amare. It seems his heads getting a lil big. Does it seem that way, or is it just me?

I agree he sometimes has a big head, but none of that can be drawn from these comments.

From what I have heard, Francis basically got in his face and went for his throat. If I was Amare, I most likely would have pushed him back right away.

The fact he let it go until after the game shows a ton of maturity. He realizes that it is to important for him to be in the game, so he holds off till it wont effect the outcome.
 
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On Saturday night in the locker room, everyone went to Amare first. He will become more articulate if from practice if nothing else.

It's too bad Casey isn't a better player. He's a great interview. :D
 

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Wow, I gotta say what great self control for Amare. I just saw the replay of this for the first time last night, and I'd have to say I'd have thrown a punch at Francis, not cause I would have wanted to, but just out of a reaction to that happening. Good control to keep from getting kicked out of the game.:thumbup:
 

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amare handled this like a professional. frances came at him like a punk who was trying to scare off amare. or even more get amare thrown out for throwing a punch. frances should have been thrown out of the game and fined for this without question. i watched the game and saw replays of what happened and there is no question that frances make contact with an intent to start a fight, also that amare wasnt tanting anyone. what is more is there is nothing in this that says amare has a big head.
 

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I thought they said last night the league recended the technical on Amare. Good thing the Suns won, I would have really pissed if they had lost by one point after they were not given a chance to shoot a FT.
 

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Could it be argued then that since they rescinded the T on Amare, and if we got that tech free throw for Francis, then there would have been no need for overtime, and thus, we wouldn't have been so tired in the Clipper game? :D

So in essence that double technical cost us not only our legs, but the game against the Clippers as well!
 
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Originally posted by Chaplin
Could it be argued then that since they rescinded the T on Amare, and if we got that tech free throw for Francis, then there would have been no need for overtime, and thus, we wouldn't have been so tired in the Clipper game? :D

So in essence that double technical cost us not only our legs, but the game against the Clippers as well!

And the tired brains that led to those turnovers at the end of the first half. :D
 

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March 19, 2004 -- ANYBODY in the NBA who may owe money or an apology to Charles Oakley, or who might've messed over one of his lady friends, is hereby warned to hire protection for all future shoot-arounds on days the Rockets provide the comp.
Tyrone Hill and Jeff McInnis were unavailable for comment; they were too busy rejoicing their luck for no longer being in the league and the Western Conference, respectively.

Surely it must warm the innards of James Dolan to see how Jeff Van Gundy has remained such a big Knick fan. Clearly, his ex-employee can't collect enough of 'em. Oakley became Van Gundy's fourth former pupil to hitch up in Houston when he signed a 10-day contract.

Patrick Ewing is an assistant, Clarence Weatherspoon was acquired earlier in the season and Mark Jackson enlisted as a free agent a month ago.

Who's next? Hey, Larry Johnson's living in Dallas. He may be officially retired to stud, but how difficult has it ever been to coax him into labor?

How desperate is Van Gundy for what Oakley sells with relish at macho forward? As enormous and capable as Yao Ming is, he needs a bouncer to retaliate against bullies who attempt to intimidate and emasculate. Kelvin Cato, Maurice Taylor, Weatherspoon and Scott Padgett will be forever uncertified.

Which is why Steve Francis was forced to "discipline" Amare Stoudemire by plantng a forearm (not imbedding or throwing it) on his upper chest when the Valley's valedictorian celebrated too long and loud Monday in Houston after posterizing Yao.



"It wasn't only that," revealed a Rocket Man. "Amare had been talkin' that gangsta bleep the whole game before somebody finally stood up to him. The thing is, you'd like someone his size to get in his face not a guard, especially your franchise guard. Steve could've gotten hurt, but something needed to be done. He always had our respect. Now he has more of it."

Note to Dolan: You'll be pleased to know Van Gundy - like Lenny Wilkens and many others in the profession - failed to play the percentages and order a Phoenix player fouled with the Rockets leading by three in regulation. Sean Marion made him pay by draining a trifecta in the closing seconds, and the Suns won in OT.

Stupid Peter Vecsey
 
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