How much (Who) would you give up for Chris Sale?

[sundevil04]

A 26 year old TRUE STUD ACE with a career 2.77 ERA in the AL and under contract for 5 more years (including the remainder of this season), averaging only 11Mil/season for the remainder of the contract.

Imagine a rotation of...

Sale

plus 4 of these

Corbin
Bradley
Anderson
Ray
Shipley
Blair
Y.Lopez

To go along with our #1 offense in the NL

 

[sundevil04]

I'd give any 3 minor league prospects (Blair, Shipley, O'Brien etc), other than Brandon Drury, since I see him as our every day 2B next season and throw in Hellickson and/or De La Rosa to boot. Big package, I know, but I think an ace like him would be the missing link between .500 and one of the favorites to win it all.


Aaron Blair
Braden Shipley
Peter O'Brien
Jeremy Hellickson
Ruby De La Rosa

would that get it done?

 

[PDXChris]

They would demand three of our top four pitching prospects for him, plus O'Brien.

 

[GatorAZ]

The White Sox would laugh us off the phone. Fans always overrate their own prospects. Chris Sale is netting multiple top-10 prospects in all of baseball which no teams have except for maybe the Dodgers or Nationals.

Imagine a team offering that package of B+ prospects for Goldy.

 

[sundevil04]

The White Sox would laugh us off the phone. Fans always overrate their own prospects. Chris Sale is netting multiple top-10 prospects in all of baseball which no teams have except for maybe the Dodgers or Nationals.

Imagine a team offering that package of B+ prospects for Goldy.

You're probably right about the package needing to include more value, although I don't know how many teams would both be willing to give more. Just because there is a great player that is available doesn't mean that 29 other teams will jump to empty out there farm system. The Dbacks are in a unique position where we have the best offense in the NL and some good middle of the oration arms, but are just an ace away from making a run at the WS.

If we were to include Bradley in place of Blair or Shipley, I think we're close to a deal. They get a very good DH in O'Brien along with 2 top young arms in Bradley and Blair/Shipley and two MLB starters to step in on day one in Hellicks and De La Rosa.

 

[82CardsGrad]

You're probably right about the package needing to include more value, although I don't know how many teams would both be willing to give more. Just because there is a great player that is available doesn't mean that 29 other teams will jump to empty out there farm system. The Dbacks are in a unique position where we have the best offense in the NL and some good middle of the oration arms, but are just an ace away from making a run at the WS.



If we were to include Bradley in place of Blair or Shipley, I think we're close to a deal. They get a very good DH in O'Brien along with 2 top young arms in Bradley and Blair/Shipley and two MLB starters to step in on day one in Hellicks and De La Rosa.

I might have missed it, but why would the White Sox be looking to part ways with Sale in the first place? His contract is perfect for them to hold onto him for next many years...

 

[Dback Jon]

I might have missed it, but why would the White Sox be looking to part ways with Sale in the first place? His contract is perfect for them to hold onto him for next many years...

Cause they suck...


But agreed, I wouldn't trade Sale.

 

[sundevil04]

I might have missed it, but why would the White Sox be looking to part ways with Sale in the first place? His contract is perfect for them to hold onto him for next many years...

Because an asset like that can rebuild a team with the package they could get back for him. One pitcher, no matter how good he is can't carry a team, the WhiteSox are much further away from competing than they can fix by signing a FA or two, they need a rebuild.

Right now they have a 35 year old Adam LaRoche making 12 mil/yr, batting .226 as their DH. How would a 25 year old Peter O'Brien making 500k/year sound if you were in that position?

They have a 34 year old Alexi Ramirez batting .229 with a .255 OBP staring at SS. How would Domingo Leyba look in their farm system? Aaron Hill in the mean time if we pick up the majority of his contract?

The back of their rotation is Hector Noesi and his 6.89 ERA and John Danks making 16mil/yr and his 5.30 ERA. How would refiling the pitching in the farm system with a few of our top prospects along with a young Ruby De La Rosa sound? Blair and Shipley would immediately become the two top pitching prospects in their system and if we were to give up Bradley in place of one of them, he would step in as their #2 on day one behind Samardzija.

 

[overseascardfan]

I figure Sale would be the last piece CHW would deal even if they were in sell mode. Sale has made no gripes about wanting out and is not on a bank breaking deal, usually those are the main factors for a team to make such a deal. CHW will offer everyone else starting from Shark on down. I say keep our farm intact and look to sign an Ace in FA. Guys like Price, Zimmerman, Cueto, Latos, etc are available and ARZ needs to show us why clearing salary at the expense of prospects was the direction they went. I know its riskier to go and spend big money on a FA SP but look at how well Scherzer has worked out for WAS, Price could be our next RJ.

 

[Lefty]

The White Sox are not going to trade Sale.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Because an asset like that can rebuild a team with the package they could get back for him. One pitcher, no matter how good he is can't carry a team, the WhiteSox are much further away from competing than they can fix by signing a FA or two, they need a rebuild.

Right now they have a 35 year old Adam LaRoche making 12 mil/yr, batting .226 as their DH. How would a 25 year old Peter O'Brien making 500k/year sound if you were in that position?

They have a 34 year old Alexi Ramirez batting .229 with a .255 OBP staring at SS. How would Domingo Leyba look in their farm system? Aaron Hill in the mean time if we pick up the majority of his contract?

The back of their rotation is Hector Noesi and his 6.89 ERA and John Danks making 16mil/yr and his 5.30 ERA. How would refiling the pitching in the farm system with a few of our top prospects along with a young Ruby De La Rosa sound? Blair and Shipley would immediately become the two top pitching prospects in their system and if we were to give up Bradley in place of one of them, he would step in as their #2 on day one behind Samardzija.

Yea... That sounds logical... But I couldn't disagree more about the idea of the Dbacks getting rid of so much young and promising talent for one starter. Yes, Sale is a proven top tier talent. But this team is more than a Sale away from being relevant.

 

[82CardsGrad]

I figure Sale would be the last piece CHW would deal even if they were in sell mode. Sale has made no gripes about wanting out and is not on a bank breaking deal, usually those are the main factors for a team to make such a deal. CHW will offer everyone else starting from Shark on down. I say keep our farm intact and look to sign an Ace in FA. Guys like Price, Zimmerman, Cueto, Latos, etc are available and ARZ needs to show us why clearing salary at the expense of prospects was the direction they went. I know its riskier to go and spend big money on a FA SP but look at how well Scherzer has worked out for WAS, Price could be our next RJ.

Ditto!

 

[Matt L]

I figure Sale would be the last piece CHW would deal even if they were in sell mode. Sale has made no gripes about wanting out and is not on a bank breaking deal, usually those are the main factors for a team to make such a deal. CHW will offer everyone else starting from Shark on down. I say keep our farm intact and look to sign an Ace in FA. Guys like Price, Zimmerman, Cueto, Latos, etc are available and ARZ needs to show us why clearing salary at the expense of prospects was the direction they went. I know its riskier to go and spend big money on a FA SP but look at how well Scherzer has worked out for WAS, Price could be our next RJ.

We'll see how much Washington likes Scherzer when they are paying him $42 million per season and he is 34 years old.

 

[overseascardfan]

We'll see how much Washington likes Scherzer when they are paying him $42 million per season and he is 34 years old.

I think if he stays healthy he could be pretty good at 34-35, but I agree WAS will be overpaying him on the back end of his contract. ARZ could always front load a deal for an Ace and decrease salary on the back end years.

 

[GatorAZ]

We'll see how much Washington likes Scherzer when they are paying him $42 million per season and he is 34 years old.

Those years of his deal are deferred down the road much like the Diamondbacks did a number of years ago.

 

[Matt L]

Those years of his deal are deferred down the road much like the Diamondbacks did a number of years ago.

I don't see the current ownership group getting on board with that either considering they just finished paying off the deferred contracts from the WS season 2 years ago.