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who would you trade? who would you sign? who would you draft? who would you fire? who would you hire? etc
how would you rebuild the phoenix suns
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I'm not sure the answers to any of those questions truly change the equation. The only answer most of us believe in is the one that involves a change in ownership.
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As far as I can tell, the Suns do not have a plan. They might be looking forward to signing a top FA after the 2011 season (if there is one) but I'm not sure if there will be any takers. The Suns remind me of the Atlanta Hawks before the arrival of Joe Johnson. They are a team looking for a star.
AzStevenCal is right. The Suns need new ownership as Sarver refuses to let go of the reins and let a basketball mind run the show.
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Its too late for that.
And even if there was a way to rebuild at this point,Sarver would just rebuild it the wrong way...
And even if there was a way to rebuild at this point,Sarver would just rebuild it the wrong way...
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The main thing the Suns need to rebuild is time. Sarver and others in the front office have made plenty of mistakes to get here, but no new owner could solve this problem quickly. Their best young talent is Robin Lopez, and the only starting-caliber player on the roster under age 37 is Channing Frye. (Edit: Oops, I forgot Gortat. But still.) It will take years to dig out from this mess, no matter who is in charge.
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"How would you rebuild the NBA?" would be a good question, too.
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I take it you are being sarcastic in this one sentence.
The slim hope I have for the Suns is that they finally have a true center in Gortat and some depth on their roster. In the future the Suns need to add a star player in his youth and draft well.
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No, I wasn't; omitting Gortat was an oversight (since fixed). Unfortunately, that doesn't change things much.
What "depth"? The only other sub-37 player who would be in the rotation on a good team is Dudley.
In the future, by which I mean within a couple of years, the Suns need almost an entirely new roster. They aren't close.
Another possible youth going forward is Morris. Let's see how he plays before we write him off.
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I see you fixed it but not before I read it.
I was referring to players like Gortat, Nash, Frye, Dudley, Brooks, Hill, Childress, Lopez, Dowdell, Pietrus and perhaps Morris in totality. However, Nash, Brooks, Lopez and Pietrus could all be gone in trades or whatever. I made no mention the Suns would be a good team. I do not see them being able to play above .500 and probably worse. The loss of VC will be addition by subtraction.
I certainly do not disagree on this point. The future looks bleak. The Suns future rests on Gortat, FA in 2012 and the lottery.
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Looking at this Suns roster is like being hungry...and opening your refrigerator only to find ketchup,mayonnaise,hot sauce,brown mustard,old cheese,and a half-eaten slice of pizza.
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But there's a difference between "depth" and "these are the guys on our roster." Every roster has 9 or 10 players who are at least minimally qualified to put the uniform on. The Suns' two best players are Nash and Hill, and obviously they won't be around much longer. Behind them, I count only three players who could reasonably be considered assets: Frye, Gortat, and Dudley. The rest are just taking up space.
I'm not clear on why you privilege Gortat over Frye and Dudley, who are at about the same level. They're all about the same age: Frye slightly the oldest, Dudley slightly the youngest.
Probably because if you take Frye or Dudley off this team, you could easily replace them. You could not easily replace Gortat. It's been well documented how much better the Suns are at the position since he came here.
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I could make an argument that Nash might fetch a first round draft pick plus something of interest in a trade and Brooks likewise might be worth a first in a sign and trade. Also I think Pietrus could be traded for a second round pick. At least the Suns could clear some salary. However, I will not pursue this avenue any further because other GMs know the Suns do not know how to wheel and deal.
As DarenG suggests, Gortat is the Suns first legitimate center since I don't know when. However, I differ as I don't think Dudley and Frye can so easily be replaced. IMO, Gortat would have considerably more trade value around the league than Dudley or Frye. I think Gortat could fetch a ransom in a Larry Nance type trade if the Suns wanted to ever go that route.
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And sadly at this point, I would fully expect the Suns to drop their pants and grab their ankles.
You raise a good point with Dudley. Dude has heart and can be a defensive annoyance to the other teams. Even though it would be possible to find another player of Duds caliber it sure as hell would be much easier to find another Frye IMO.
Aside from his streaky outside shooting, this league is full of tall, soft, big men with no inside game. Those you can find around the league. Add the fact that we are overpaying the dude just adds insult to injury. In fact, I would be for moving him just to dump that contract.
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Eh, Channing is more a part of the solution than the problem, he's being asked to do way too much. As a first/second guy off the bench, he is a valuable player in the current offense. He may be overpaid, but compared to other contracts given out in the same offseason, tolerable.
Since when is asking a big man to play like one asking too much? He is a Center/PF who is suppose to give us an inside presence, rebound and play inside. Instead we paid him for his ability to shoot the 3.
You can find another shooter for 30 million in this league who isn't a waste of space at the Center/PF position IMO. I would say we are asking exactly what we should of him. The problem is he can't deliver.
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We knew what he was when we brought him in. You may be locked into the concept that all big men have to play physical down low but that isn't always the case. Frye does a lot of good things for this team and if you need proof of that, just check out how we play when he's injured or struggling.
As Chris said, he's much more a part of the solution than he is the problem. He isn't ideal but he's only a bad signing if you think he's the reason we didn't bring in a true big man. And even then, the fault lies with the decision makers not with Channing. Put him on a team where he plays alongside a big man or spells the bigs down low and stretches the defense while putting up the occasional 3 and he's a real value IMO.
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I don't think Nash will fetch anything, let alone a first round pick. Not really sure that Brooks will get us anything either. I hope I am wrong. I would be jumping for joy if we got two mid-first rounders for those two guys, but I don't see it happening.
I think Gortat is a very nice player to have. He is not a superstar, but he is a very good player on the most difficult position to fill.
Dudley is also a very good player to have around, especially considering how little money he makes. He plays good defense, he is a very good shooter, and he just seems to be the perfect teammate.
Frye really surprised me last year. He's improved his defense, and he was starting to add some low-post moves to his repertoire.
Outside of those three guys, the Suns have nothing. I am HOPING that some team will take a gamble on Lopez and trade a first-round pick for him, but I am really not holding my breath for that.
All you can do is accept that you need to rebuild, do everything you can to acquire some assets, and send retired Nash and Hill to recruit guys like Chris Paul. Get a decent pick (or two), sign Paul, and a couple of defensive-minded role players, and you're done. This, of course, is easier said than done.
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I'm not sure if the Suns are smart enough to get a first round pick in a sign and trade for Brooks if they part, however, one has only to look around the league for a team wanting to win a championship now who would part with a first round pick and possibly more for Nash. Jason Kidd is a good example of how a veteran PG can get a good team over the top.
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There is a stigma in demoting a player from starter to coming off the bench while in his prime.
Historically, teams in any sport trade players like that, where they usually wind up playing in reserve, but with a fresh outlook.
Even if they get a similar player in return. But hopefully it won't be a soft 3-point shooter tying up our power positions.
I am not locked into it. It is what big men are suppose to do. It's not my concept. Also, remember the Suns said he is starting PF material. The Suns said he will have to be an inside presence and rebound. They tried to force feed him playing inside and it worked for about 2 weeks and then evaporated. So, it is the Suns expectations too that he do more besides shoot the 3. It's the Suns who played him down low at Center a ton last season.
The only value Frye carries is if this team still plans on outscoring everyone without much defense or inside presence. I realize that is how we play but Frye doesn't get 30 million plus contract on a contending team let along get off the bench 1st. That is not a solution to me. That is a 30 million stop gap until the team rebuilds.
