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http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/5188/howland-admits-recruiting-mistakes

I'm in charge of making this program competitive year after year, but I did a poor job of evaluation of some of our recruits — from a talent, as well as a character standpoint.

What kind of a dick coach is Ben Howland? "I've made mistakes, I brought in horrible kids". Real nice coach :thumbup:



UCLA's program is in shambles and I'd be embarrassed as a fan, honestly. How does UCLA continue to screw up the program that Wooden bought them?
 

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Publicly calling out your players is a bit too much when they're college kids, but Howland's take is dead on. He does have Reeves Nelson and Tyler Honeycutt who as freshmen is a good foundation and favors the Bruins better than anyone else on the Pac-10 not named Arizona, so UCLA should be back as long as he hits on a couple kids coming in this fall. He's in a similar predicament as the 'Cats, Howland hit on a few can't miss kids from 2006-2008 but they left early and he failed to evaluate the four year players in said classes.

I think just goes to show how really good some coaches are that win every year even with massive player defections.
 

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http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/5188/howland-admits-recruiting-mistakes



What kind of a dick coach is Ben Howland? "I've made mistakes, I brought in horrible kids". Real nice coach :thumbup:



UCLA's program is in shambles and I'd be embarrassed as a fan, honestly. How does UCLA continue to screw up the program that Wooden bought them?

Well part of the problem is they don't have this wonderful alumni group that seems to find jobs for parents everytime a recruit is looking to sign but the parent wants to "come along." there are some schools in the Midwest who have such programs set up, remarkable how often the kid whose parents want to come along happens to be a 5 star recruit too. Maybe there's some kid in Alaska whose dad needs a job as director of basketball OPS that UCLA could find to help?

In this instance UCLA fans are well aware of what howland is talking about with these kids. Obviously Drew Gordon was one of the problems, when you are overheard cursing at your coach on the bench during a loss to Long Beach State nobody is going to blame the coach. Howland never publicly called out Gordon and even said the kid transferred when the kid himself admitted on camera(it's on youtube) that he was asked to leave and was unhappy he had to leave.

A couple of other kids appear likely to transfer, they have some off court issues that have been repeatedly pointed out to them, but apparently they haven't lived up to their end of the "contract" with the coach and will likely not be back. Now maybe if their parents were living near campus with a cushy job for a UCLA alum, they'd be better behaved.

I think Howland has been too nice this year, I don't think Dragovic was handled well. I know Howland's stance there, until the legal system runs it course it's his word against the other guys and it would be unfair to suspend him to find out later he didn't do anything. I would have suspended him several games anyways given it's a 2nd offense.

But overall I think Howland is trying to exert control of the program. He doesn't want a situation where kids are getting in fights with football players or shooting at innocent bystanders with an air rifle, which I understand has been known to happen at other schools with coaches who are less of a "dick" than Howland.

I guess my take is playing by the rules and having a bad year is disappointing, but not embarassing. now embarassing would be something like having to hire the dad to get the son that keyed your last 2 national championships, and different players and different dads. Or winning an NC while starting a player who by rule should have been ineligible, and you knew when you played the kid that he might not be eligible and that the highschool where the problem occurred had to forfeit games a couple of years earlier because another basketball player at the same school had his grades changed too. That would be embarassing but luckily the people that investigated that one found what the NCAA wanted them to find, nothing, because it would embarass the NCAA to have to vacate a national championship.
 
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Publicly calling out your players is a bit too much when they're college kids, but Howland's take is dead on. He does have Reeves Nelson and Tyler Honeycutt who as freshmen is a good foundation and favors the Bruins better than anyone else on the Pac-10 not named Arizona, so UCLA should be back as long as he hits on a couple kids coming in this fall. He's in a similar predicament as the 'Cats, Howland hit on a few can't miss kids from 2006-2008 but they left early and he failed to evaluate the four year players in said classes.

I think just goes to show how really good some coaches are that win every year even with massive player defections.


Really it's all the 08 class. There is no 07 class, Love and Stanback both gone one to NBA one to UNLV. So with no junior class this year the 5 sophs were needed badly. One jumped to the NBA(Jrue) one transferred, 2 haven't come close to press clippings and one has taken one for the team this year playing PG(he actually wanted to but he's NOT a PG) and that is the kid that Howland publicly praised in this story. he said the kid has done a terrific job of working hard in the offseason and doing what the team needed this year.

The 09 class is pretty good, Honeycutt could be a POY candidate in the conference next year. If Nelson continues to play basketball he'll be a nice player. his detached retina apparently has him considering quitting basketball, he has a grandmother who's legally blind from 2 detached retinas and the doctors say there is some concern the way he plays he could take a blow to the head and get another detached retina so he's weighing his options. My guess is he won't play again this year, but we'll see. I like Lane, he's playing with a bum ankle now, out of position, and needs to get much stronger, but he's got offensive talent, he's made 12 of his last 16 shots mostly with the ankle problem. Needs to get stronger, defense needs a lot of work but I like him. They like Stover, I don't think much of Moser but we'll see how he works out.

Smith, Lamb and Jones are all pivotal next year, Smith has to be in shape, Jones has to be a legit PG, and Lamb needs to contribute, I'm assuming Lee comes back, if for some reason he doesn't, Lamb would then be starting.

Gordon was the biggest miss IMHO, UCLA took a verbal from him and then if you believe the story, Luke Babbitt called saying he was decommitting from Ohio State and wanted to go to UCLA. Howland had wanted him badly but told him we've already given that ride to Drew Gordon, we don't have another ride. So Babbit went to Nevada, Babbitt would be first team all conference in the Pac 10, but they lost him to stick with Gordon if you believe that story(I have no idea if it's true it's been around since well before Gordon left).

08 class was a disaster, that's why UCLA is so down this year they desperately needed the soph class to step up and lee is the only guy who really did.
 

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Depaul? Really?

Why not? UCLA was Howland's "dream job", but even he is being crushed by the unrealistic expectations of UCLA fans. Why not go somewhere where your hard work will be appreciated? That's what Steve Alford found out when he moved to Albuquerque.

Granted, he hasn't won a national championship, but you would think that three straight Final Fours would earn you some slack with the fans, but no. They are going to run Howland out of town.

Dear UCLA fan: John Wooden, Lew Alcindor & Bill Walton aren't walking through that door.
 

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Why not? UCLA was Howland's "dream job", but even he is being crushed by the unrealistic expectations of UCLA fans. Why not go somewhere where your hard work will be appreciated? That's what Steve Alford found out when he moved to Albuquerque.

Granted, he hasn't won a national championship, but you would think that three straight Final Fours would earn you some slack with the fans, but no. They are going to run Howland out of town.

Dear UCLA fan: John Wooden, Lew Alcindor & Bill Walton aren't walking through that door.

Howland vehemently denies it and the entire story started with a Chicago paper who said he heard there was truth to the rumors Howland had contacted DePaul. Those rumors started on BRO, I read the original post the guy claimed to have a friend who was a reporter who told him it happened. Who knows but wouldn't it be funny if his reporter friend was the same guy who wrote in his Chicago paper about it?

I've now read 3 reporters and one BRO employee say Howland personally called them furious about the story, said it was complete nonsense, he is in the process of refinancing his house, has kids attending UCLA, and wants to stay as long as UCLA will let him.

I do agree with Renz the fan nonsense is bad, and some of it is all the fans right now screaming bloody murder over this with no idea if it's true or not. the same guy said Howland contacted UCONN and told them if their coach decides to retire, Ben is interested, I haven't seen that story anywhere else but BRO I have to assume if there were any truth to that it would be bigger news than DePaul since UCONN is a power and Calhoun has been in the news denying he's going to retire? the same fans who are saying Howland has lost his touch are mad because they think he's trying to find another job, which makes no sense, if you think he's lost it why would you not want him to look for another job?

Anyhow Ben insists he's staying so until that changes I won't worry about DePaul rumors.

Lavin to St. Johns is apparently very likely now.

howland has one loss at UCLA to a lower seeded team in the NCAA's, and that was the finals loss to Florida who was pretty clearly the best team in the country the way they ran through the tourney that year and the next. He hasn't gotten over the hump and this past season sucked, but he's not made a history of losing to lower seeds with far less talent than he has. There are clearly some concerns given the last 2 years but IMHO that's largely on the 08 class, when you have 5 players in one class all highly touted it makes it tough to recruit in the next class, that's why UCLA is so thin at guard they signed 3 in 08 so 09 and 10 guards figured no sense looking at UCLA. I doubt they get McCallum or Ziegler either. There's some talk they're considering Dwayne Polee now, great leaper very raw but they are apparently considering offering him nobody seems sure.

Carlino reopened, supposedly UCLA and other Pac 10 schools will look at him but he's apparently not nearly as touted as he was as a freshman.

The 2011 class will go a long ways to determining Ben's future, assuming he has the grades for UCLA if they don't get Josiah Turner or Dinwiddie then we can start to worry. For 2012 right now the 3 top targets seem to be Xavier Johnson, Shabazz Muhammad and Brandon Ashley. UCLA is in good with all 3 although Muhammad's dad having played at USC still makes me skeptical he'll actually pick UCLA. I've seen Ashley on tv, he's very good, WAY ahead of Gordon at the same age. Has size 19 feet and a 7 foot wingspan at about 6'7" or 6'8", looks like he could grow a couple more inches and hasn't really filled out yet. He's a really skilled kid, great hands, can shoot, moves well, handles the ball well, great passer, I haven't seen Johnson or Muhammad but if they're considered better than Ashley they must be VERY good.
 

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I think Lavin will do a better job this time around although with less results due to being a program with a lower ceiling. We'll see if that is good enough for Johnnie fans.

Regarding Howland, the double standard UCLA fans have with him and Lavs is awfully funny. Howland has been successful in the Pac-10 when the 2nd best coach in the conference was a race between Tim Floyd, Lorenzo Romar, and Herb Sendek. It's easy to run shop out west when you have the UCLA gig against those guys while Monty coaches the Warriors and Lute goes off the deep end. The next few years will define Howland's legacy should Oregon get somebody good and Sean Miller replicate his Xavier success in Tucson.

I'm also not sure why any program with championship aspirations would want Matt Carlino at this point. Indiana has fallen off the map from a talent and recruiting perspective and their fans who watched him play last season don't even want him.
 

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I think Lavin will do a better job this time around although with less results due to being a program with a lower ceiling. We'll see if that is good enough for Johnnie fans.

Regarding Howland, the double standard UCLA fans have with him and Lavs is awfully funny. Howland has been successful in the Pac-10 when the 2nd best coach in the conference was a race between Tim Floyd, Lorenzo Romar, and Herb Sendek. It's easy to run shop out west when you have the UCLA gig against those guys while Monty coaches the Warriors and Lute goes off the deep end. The next few years will define Howland's legacy should Oregon get somebody good and Sean Miller replicate his Xavier success in Tucson.

I'm also not sure why any program with championship aspirations would want Matt Carlino at this point. Indiana has fallen off the map from a talent and recruiting perspective and their fans who watched him play last season don't even want him.

Sure the coaching hasn't been great in the Pac 10 but Ben made 3 final 4's and that included wins over Kansas(Self) and Memphis(Calipari) to get there so he had to beat some highly thought of coaches in the tourney.

I'd also add winning the Pac 10 in 07 has to count for something, when was the last time the conference had that much talent?

Monty and Miller are the threats right now. Cal is a big player for Turner in 11 and Ashley in 12 largely because they respect Monty, if Monty keeps those kids close to home it will be a huge blow to UCLA.

On Carlino the claim is he's told UCLA he wants to play for them and is potentially able to graduate early and be a 2010 recruit, given the problems at guard and them anticipating a couple of transfers, it might then make sense for them to consider him. I don't know anything about him beyond he was hyped early, UCLA lacks shooters and apparently he can shoot but I don't think anybody expects him to be able to play much as a freshman and the hope is Turner will be a Bruin the next year. Remember this year UCLA was so thin at guard they were playing Abdul-Hamid minutes, hell the kid won a game for them beating UW, so while looking at Carlino may be desperation, they don't want to be that thin at guard again and losing Roll, and possibly Lee, they might take a Carlino or a Deonte Burton just with the notion of depth.

If they somehow got McCallum it changes everything but I think most people think he's going to Detroit, UCLA is also looking at a 5'8" guy from Las Vegas. It's an old story but Lee has had people in his ear for a year now about going to the NBA because Howland was misusing him. First it was Jrue Holiday telling him he's playing you out of position you're a PG, then he plays PG this year and REALLY struggles offensively at it, and now he's being told it's the system not you. So while Lee going pro would be a terrible decision, and a bad blow for Howland, it wouldn't shock me. Lee seems like a good kid who's worked hard but he seems to be the classic case of listening to people who say what he wants to hear instead of listening to the truth. He's nowhere near NBA ready, there are 2 more rookie PG's in the NBA from UCLA right now in Collison and Holiday getting rave reviews(wish Jrue had shown some of that at UCLA) so while Lee may not like the system he can't argue with the results, Farmar, Westbrook, Collison and Holiday are all proof Howland can prepare kids for the NBA. Especially Westbrook and Collison who weren't highly rated out of HS. But there's a chance Lee will overlook all that and listen to the people telling him to leave now and that may make it a necessity UCLA takes someone like Carlino or Burton.
 

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FYI UCLA dismissed Bobo Morgan from the team today. It remains to be seen if Anderson will be back he's the other kid that has been a problem for howland this season off the court. The claim is both he and Morgan had "contracts" with Howland, the kind where they agree to abide by a set of rules to stay with the team. Apparently Morgan didn't, got suspended late in the season and now is dismissed.
 

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Monty and Miller are the threats right now. Cal is a big player for Turner in 11 and Ashley in 12 largely because they respect Monty, if Monty keeps those kids close to home it will be a huge blow to UCLA.
Don't crown Miller yet. His 2010 class is pretty mediocre thus far, fills some holes but unlike 2009 isn't the type you can win a championship with. Monty is who he is so while his recruiting never has nor will wow anybody he always get more out of less when he doesn't have the horses and is elite when he does have the horses.
 

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Don't crown Miller yet. His 2010 class is pretty mediocre thus far, fills some holes but unlike 2009 isn't the type you can win a championship with. Monty is who he is so while his recruiting never has nor will wow anybody he always get more out of less when he doesn't have the horses and is elite when he does have the horses.

Monty lost DJ Seeley today who to date hsa been a disappointment. But I doubt Cal wanted to lose him with their big 4 all graduating.
 
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