Hype

[FrustratedSON]

It's a bitch when you believe in your own.

This is what the Suns are about. They play like they're something they aren't. Expecting to win games over average oppostion. time for them to realise they're average ones.

JJ = Dud. the guy is a tease. He's as timid as a butterfly and playing in a league of bruisers, bangers, gangsters, and murders he's useless more often then not.

Penny = Total waste. He's gotta take a shot and try to freakin contribute some scoring.

Steph = Inconsistant and can't run a team through a full game. He's too out of control in critical stetches.

Amare = The other guys should apologize to him. as he played his ass off.

Marion = Soft. He looked lazy at the opening. lazy passes. Thinks he's something he's not. He's a good 3rd option. Not an all star. And certainly NOT A MAX PLAYER!


Frank = shave that stupid ass goatee and get the f&^k out of town. You're a terrible coach.


I've watched every game this year and this is the breaking point. We have no hunger. We expect things to happen. And when you wait around... everyone else passes you. This is supposed to be our time of growing to be someone dominant, but we're watching teams like Denver surpass us.

We need outside shooting in the worst way. the rebounding and interior defense is terrible. We led a 1st year filling in the injured Nene, guy kill us in the opening qtr.

This teams a sloppy disgrace right now and if they don't play with some intensity and tenacity... play like with some DAMN pride... we'll be heading to the lottery.

 

[Joe Mama]

Originally posted by FrustratedSON
It's a bitch when you believe in your own.

This is what the Suns are about. They play like they're something they aren't. Expecting to win games over average oppostion. time for them to realise they're average ones.

I don't believe this. They are an average team, but I don't think the problem is their attitude. IMO the problem is that other teams have improved while the Phoenix Suns did not... at least in the short-term. White is the only player the Phoenix Suns added who should make an immediate, positive impact, and he's injured right now. There other additions, Zarko and Barbosa, shouldn't be expected to make a huge impact right out of the gate.

JJ = Dud. the guy is a tease. He's as timid as a butterfly and playing in a league of bruisers, bangers, gangsters, and murders he's useless more often then not.

The real problem with Joe Johnson is that he just doesn't fit with this team. At least he doesn't fit with the starting lineup. The Phoenix Suns do not need another athlete at shooting guard. They need someone who can actually shoot consistently from outside and play a little defense. JJ can defend, but is not a good shooter. I don't know what was going on with him last night. He really should have stepped up with Shawn Marion out of the lineup, but he was content to stand around on the perimeter for the most part.

Penny = Total waste. He's gotta take a shot and try to freakin contribute some scoring.

He's basically playing like Joe Johnson without any defense. He'll make some good passes sometimes, but he isn't shooting well either, his turnovers are bad, and he can't defend anyone.

Steph = Inconsistant and can't run a team through a full game. He's too out of control in critical stetches.

Last night Marbury tried to force too many passes to make things happen. He also did not shoot the ball especially well from outside. It looked like he did not really have his legs. But last night it would have been tough for him to do a lot more because nobody was moving on offense. Marbury is playing too many minutes.

Amare = The other guys should apologize to him. as he played his ass off.

Amare Stoudemire has had some nice games, but I don't think he's playing any harder than Marbury. He had some great place last night, but too many of them came when the game was already out of reach. In the first half he was outplayed by Francisco Elson. Amare plays good one-on-one defense, especially when somebody is trying to back him down. But too often he gets lazy defensively when the action moves away from him. He allows his man to get great position without the ball.

Overall I wouldn't complain about the way Amare Stoudemire has played in his second season though.

Marion = Soft. He looked lazy at the opening. lazy passes. Thinks he's something he's not. He's a good 3rd option. Not an all star. And certainly NOT A MAX PLAYER!

Are you talking about the opening of last night's game? He played just two minutes and went down blocking the hell out of somebody. Those lazy passes which I do not remember resulted in 0 turnovers.

Shawn Marion has struggled with his shooting so far this season. That has hurt more this season because the Suns are getting such poor shooting from the shooting guard position as well. I have little doubt that he will get better. I just hope it sooner rather than later. The Suns desperately need is consistent midrange/outside shooting to open up the middle for Amare and Marbury.

Frank = shave that stupid ass goatee and get the f&^k out of town. You're a terrible coach.

I agree. I don't think Frank Johnson is entirely to blame, but he certainly is not helping the situation. Last season I liked the way he brought the team together after the Scott Skiles régime. But he just isn't a very good coach. There's no offensive plan, and these gimmicky defenses are easily picked apart by decent passing and anything better than pathetic shooting. The big men are consistently out of position the defensively and on the boards because he has them double teaming on the perimeter every time.

I've watched every game this year and this is the breaking point. We have no hunger. We expect things to happen. And when you wait around... everyone else passes you. This is supposed to be our time of growing to be someone dominant, but we're watching teams like Denver surpass us.

We need outside shooting in the worst way. the rebounding and interior defense is terrible. We led a 1st year filling in the injured Nene, guy kill us in the opening qtr.

This teams a sloppy disgrace right now and if they don't play with some intensity and tenacity... play like with some DAMN pride... we'll be heading to the lottery.

Great expectations have been placed on this year's Phoenix Suns team because of last year's surprising success. I think they have a great, young core in Amare, Marbury, and Marion, but they need to get the right players and coaches around them.

This really just needs to changes. They need a solid head coach who could install any sort of offensive system, and who isn't addicted to these gimmicky and predictable defenses. They also need one good shooter. I think either one of the Barry brothers would be very good fits. I'm not saying either one is obtainable this season. However, Jon will be a free agent this summer. He's making $3 million this season.

I'm not suggesting the Suns dump or trade away Joe Johnson, but I do think he is better suited for sixth man duty. If he ever learns to shoot consistently he would be great starter, but until then he just does not fit with the rest of the Phoenix Suns starting lineup. They need someone to spread defenses, and none of the Phoenix Suns shooting guards do that.

Joe Mama

 

[sly fly]

BTW, FrustratedSON... good points.

Welcome to the board. Now go get me some water, tylenol, and a box of razorblades.

 

[SweetD]

Welcom FrustratedSON I will take a breakfast burrito from Filibutos and a litter of Cola

 

[jbeecham]

I think a lot of Marions shooting problems this season have come from him taking the majority of the off-season off from basketball. The last few years he's been playing on olympic qualifying teams and it helped him continue the consistency he has with his shot. I think taking the summer off was a big mistake for Marion. He should have been in the gym every day working on his game.

 

[SweetD]

I am sure he was working on him game during the off season. Sure he didn't do the Olympics but I am happy for that. He was realy burned out last year.

 

[jbeecham]

Pretty much every article I read said that Shawn took a well deserved break from basketball this summer and spent a lot of time in the weight room.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Originally posted by jbeecham
Pretty much every article I read said that Shawn took a well deserved break from basketball this summer and spent a lot of time in the weight room.

I think it was too much time in the weight room. Shawn's game is quickness, and he's lost just a little.

Jed, you are exactly right about JJ. He's a great player with great skills, and a great defender. But his mix of talent isn't exactly what we need. We need a shooter and a defender. We don't need a slasher and ball-handler at the 2. We don't need a guy who dribbles through the middle.

A Bruce Bowen, Brent Barry type would be nice.

 

[Joe Mama]

Originally posted by JCSunsfan
I think it was too much time in the weight room. Shawn's game is quickness, and he's lost just a little.

Jed, you are exactly right about JJ. He's a great player with great skills, and a great defender. But his mix of talent isn't exactly what we need. We need a shooter and a defender. We don't need a slasher and ball-handler at the 2. We don't need a guy who dribbles through the middle.

A Bruce Bowen, Brent Barry type would be nice.

I'm not sure I agree about Shawn Marion. He isn't shooting as well as he was towards the end of last year, but otherwise I think he is the same player. I haven't noticed any difference in his quickness. In fact that this point I can hardly tell he's done any weightlifting.

BTW who is Jed?

I like Joe Johnson. I like his defense and versatility. He just isn't what this team needs in a starting shooting guard at this point.

Joe Mama

 

[az1965]

Re: Re: Hype

Originally posted by Joe Mama


I don't believe this. They are an average team, but I don't think the problem is their attitude. IMO the problem is that other teams have improved while the Phoenix Suns did not... at least in the short-term. White is the only player the Phoenix Suns added who should make an immediate, positive impact, and he's injured right now. There other additions, Zarko and Barbosa, shouldn't be expected to make a huge impact right out of the gate.
[/B]

The team is playing at the same or below the level they were playing last year. Without any subtraction, these guys have one year of experience under them playing together. They should at least be consistent which does not seem to be the case. I believe, talent wise we are a good team. I strongly lay the blame on coaching - developing and getting the team prepared.

 

[Billythekid]

Re: Re: Hype

Originally posted by Joe Mama

The real problem with Joe Johnson is that he just doesn't fit with this team. At least he doesn't fit with the starting lineup. The Phoenix Suns do not need another athlete at shooting guard. They need someone who can actually shoot consistently from outside and play a little defense.
Joe Mama [/B]

Demar Johnson would've been handy. Nothing spectactular but he would've had more energy and desire then Creaky Ole Penny.

 

[Chaplin]

Good point, Billy.

By the way, long time no see!

 

[cly2tw]

The problem with Marion is that he has great physical talent but lacks Bball IQ and posseses only limited number of tools to deserve the max contract they gave him.

Right now, Matt Harpring is definitely a much better fit to compliment Marbury and Amare than Marion is, at a much lower price! At this point, Lewis, Artest, bonzi Wells are all better fits for the Suns, now we have the center position adequately fixed and don't really need Marion's rebounding as much (provided, we don't double team the parameter players as often on defense).

 

[George O'Brien]

I like JJ's potential (that ugly word). He has the overall talent to be a regular triple double guy but remains a work in progress. With the injuries to Marion and Zarko, we will see JJ at the 3 slot a lot more and it may prove beneficial.

Last year Marion came off a summer playing for the US team and was in mid season form from the start. This year does seem a bit off, but he remains the Suns best defender and rebounder. He is a great closer on the fast break and is very strong when attacking the basket. When his outside shot comes back. his scoring will jump because opponents will not be able to fall off and just play the drive.

Personally, I don't which team the Suns are: the sleepwalkers who were in Denver on Tuesday or world beaters that killed the Mavs on Wednesday.