I’ve thought long and hard

[Finito]

and I honestly think I’m good with any scenario.

Stay with Rosen Keep 1 draft Bosa or Quinnen Williams

Trade back say with Oakland and pick up more picks( pick up Ed Oliver, Josh Allen, Bush or Gary)

Draft Kyler Murray and pick up an extra 1 for Rosen, but it has to be a 1.

I can’t wait!!

 

[JeffGollin]

and I honestly think I’m good with any scenario.

Stay with Rosen Keep 1 draft Bosa or Quinnen Williams

Trade back say with Oakland and pick up more picks( pick up Ed Oliver, Josh Allen, Bush or Gary)

Draft Kyler Murray and pick up an extra 1 for Rosen, but it has to be a 1.

I can’t wait!!

If you feel Murray can light it up, and Rosen can't, you gotta go with Murray.

Otherwise you're better off building a solid team around Rosen.

(In case of ties, we're still better off building around Rosen).

 

[Delmar M Lewis]

If you feel Murray can light it up, and Rosen can't, you gotta go with Murray.

Otherwise you're better off building a solid team around Rosen.

(In case of ties, we're still better off building around Rosen).

Count me as build a team that way it wont be totally on one person ie Qb

 

[GatorAZ]

Agreed with OP. It’s all part of my new philosophy of not getting too worked up over Arizona sports teams.

Spoiler

Inb4 I have a meltdown on Thursday

 

[Fiasco]

and I honestly think I’m good with any scenario.

Stay with Rosen Keep 1 draft Bosa or Quinnen Williams

Trade back say with Oakland and pick up more picks( pick up Ed Oliver, Josh Allen, Bush or Gary)

Draft Kyler Murray and pick up an extra 1 for Rosen, but it has to be a 1.

I can’t wait!!

You thought long and hard and STILL posted another repeat murray post.

 

[WildBB]

If you feel Murray can light it up, and Rosen can't, you gotta go with Murray.

Otherwise you're better off building a solid team around Rosen.

(In case of ties, we're still better off building around Rosen).

It's pretty close, so they're going D, imo. If Rosen faulters they will have future options. I wouldn't mind taking the risk, but it's the FO's call and I don't see them risking it unless they have a commitment from another team on Rosen for a first.

 

[moklerman]

I haven't been keeping up with all the posts so I'm guessing someone covered this but wouldn't management want a new coach coming in to "fix" Rosen? A la McVay and the Rams? I know the comparisons are tired at this point but it's a copycat league and the Rams model is a popular one right now. Dumping your last year's top 10 pick doesn't seem like what a management team would lean towards IMO.

Was Rosen more of a GM or HC pick? If it was the former, my guess is they don't want to dump him so quickly and would prefer that a 21st Century coach just got him up to speed and productive.

 

[WildBB]

I haven't been keeping up with all the posts so I'm guessing someone covered this but wouldn't management want a new coach coming in to "fix" Rosen? A la McVay and the Rams? I know the comparisons are tired at this point but it's a copycat league and the Rams model is a popular one right now. Dumping your last year's top 10 pick doesn't seem like what a management team would lean towards IMO.

Was Rosen more of a GM or HC pick? If it was the former, my guess is they don't want to dump him so quickly and would prefer that a 21st Century coach just got him up to speed and productive.

Rosen was an organizational pick from the owner on down. He fell and the Cardinals swooped - cause they missed out on Mahomes and Watson the previous year.

Time to change that avatar MM!

 

[moklerman]

Rosen was an organizational pick from the owner on down. He fell and the Cardinals swooped - cause they missed out on Mahomes and Watson the previous year.

Time to change that avatar MM!

So if that's the case, doesn't that seem like the "team" would want to hire a coach who would be motivated to fix their investment rather than one who covets an unknown?

 

[WildBB]

So if that's the case, doesn't that seem like the "team" would want to hire a coach who would be motivated to fix their investment rather than one who covets an unknown?

I think they believe coach K and the QB coach they hired can work with Rosen and bring out the best in him. Along with an influx of better talent overall.

Murray has that dynamic which is hard to duplicate. Whether he can sustain success over the long haul will be the call they have to make. But he could be electric. A Nightmare to defend in the red zone also.

 

[PACardsFan]

I haven't been keeping up with all the posts so I'm guessing someone covered this but wouldn't management want a new coach coming in to "fix" Rosen? A la McVay and the Rams? I know the comparisons are tired at this point but it's a copycat league and the Rams model is a popular one right now. Dumping your last year's top 10 pick doesn't seem like what a management team would lean towards IMO.

Was Rosen more of a GM or HC pick? If it was the former, my guess is they don't want to dump him so quickly and would prefer that a 21st Century coach just got him up to speed and productive.

Do you really think that Goff is fixed?? His SB performance was abysmal at best. If confronted with the opportunity to pick 1st, McVay would himself sprint to the podium & draft Murray. The Cardinals will be mired in mediocrity if they pass. I laugh when people keep saying that if Rosen doesn't pan out, we can go get Tua, Lawrence, etc. Without Wilks on the sidelines, we are never going to see another overall 1st pick, NOT EVER. We will remain in the 6-9 win range, which is well outside the range that will land us a QB opportunity like Murray. You get one shot at this, unless you're the Colts. Draft Murray & get it right.

 

[DVontel]

I don't want it to happen for the sake of Kyler cause I like the guy alot, but I would love to see the expressions on PACardsFan´s face if Kyler were to bust.

 

[Shane]

[QUOTE="PACardsFan, post: 3942587, member: 100" If confronted with the opportunity to pick 1st, McVay would himself sprint to the podium & draft Murray. The Cardinals will be mired in mediocrity if they pass. [/QUOTE]


Yea well I laugh at just about everything you post as though its a straight up god given fact....

This is pure and utter crap above. IMO blatantly false and quite frankly you’ve lost your mind when it comes to YOUR football VIEWS... ALL these hardline views of what and where Murray WILL TAKE US, the implication That other teams would just easily pass on their star quarterbacks and run to the podium to take him etc. is laughable as it gets.... lol WOW.... if Murray is what you think he is and everybody else in the NFL what is a smart as you and thought the same way, we would have been offered the largest pick haul in NFL history to come up and get him.... Let’s see if that happens OK ???? Wow....

 

[TheCardFan]

Do you really think that Goff is fixed?? His SB performance was abysmal at best. If confronted with the opportunity to pick 1st, McVay would himself sprint to the podium & draft Murray.

Wait....wait...wait. You believe McVay would draft Murray at #1 to replace Goff?

C'mon Man!

 

[PACardsFan]

[QUOTE="PACardsFan, post: 3942587, member: 100" If confronted with the opportunity to pick 1st, McVay would himself sprint to the podium & draft Murray. The Cardinals will be mired in mediocrity if they pass.

Yea well I laugh at just about everything you post as though its a straight up god given fact....

This is pure and utter crap above. IMO blatantly false and quite frankly you’ve lost your mind when it comes to YOUR football VIEWS... ALL these hardline views of what and where Murray WILL TAKE US, the implication That other teams would just easily pass on their star quarterbacks and run to the podium to take him etc. is laughable as it gets.... lol WOW.... if Murray is what you think he is and everybody else in the NFL what is a smart as you and thought the same way, we would have been offered the largest pick haul in NFL history to come up and get him.... Let’s see if that happens OK ???? Wow....

[/QUOTE]

Shane, if you haven't figured this out, this is an opinion forum. My opinions are every bit as valid as yours are. Hardline views?? Do we really know if teams are interested in moving up?? Furthermore, the Cardinals may very well have NO interest in moving from 1. We shall see soon enough. And don't worry, when Murray lights up the NFL, you'll be the first one I track down

 

[PACardsFan]

I don't want it to happen for the sake of Kyler cause I like the guy alot, but I would love to see the expressions on PACardsFan´s face if Kyler were to bust.

I've watched this game of football for a long, long time & it's my OPINION that Murray will be a star QB in the NFL. I've also made it very clear that if the Cardinals decide to keep Rosen, I will want him to stud out & be the best QB in the NFL. If we don't pick Murray, and he ends up a bust, the look on my face will be one of relief.

 

[PACardsFan]

Wait....wait...wait. You believe McVay would draft Murray at #1 to replace Goff?

C'mon Man!

Yes I do. Goff looked very average down the stretch & was embarrassed in the SB. McVay took the blame, but it was obvious that Goff couldn't deliver in crunch time. Completely different styles of QB, but I do believe that McVay would love to see Murray run his system. Again, just my opinion.

 

[TheCardFan]

Yes I do. Goff looked very average down the stretch & was embarrassed in the SB. McVay took the blame, but it was obvious that Goff couldn't deliver in crunch time. Completely different styles of QB, but I do believe that McVay would love to see Murray run his system. Again, just my opinion.

I get it. I am sure McVay would love Murray as well but I think we are missing a major factor. Goff got the Rams to the Super Bowl (2 time pro bowler) and they invested a very high #1 pick for him. How much better would Murray be and is that worth investing the #1 overall pick again? I have a hard time justifying spending draft capital that way.

Goff is still a young player and is developing. Don't think for minute that Murray won't go through the same growing/development pains.

My ideal outcome is that KK has the same influence on Rosen's development/success as McVay did on Goff. We also get a top defensive player.

 

[moklerman]

Do you really think that Goff is fixed?? His SB performance was abysmal at best. If confronted with the opportunity to pick 1st, McVay would himself sprint to the podium & draft Murray. The Cardinals will be mired in mediocrity if they pass. I laugh when people keep saying that if Rosen doesn't pan out, we can go get Tua, Lawrence, etc. Without Wilks on the sidelines, we are never going to see another overall 1st pick, NOT EVER. We will remain in the 6-9 win range, which is well outside the range that will land us a QB opportunity like Murray. You get one shot at this, unless you're the Colts. Draft Murray & get it right.

No, I think he has a lot of growing to do. But I think McVay was able to coach him up enough that the Rams went from "7-9 ********" to the Super Bowl in just 2 years and that the rest of the league is enamored with that turnaround and that model.

The parallels are obvious and it wouldn't surprise me if the Cardinals continued down that path. It won't surprise me if they take Murray either. I just wonder how much they want to scrap their pick from just a year ago?

 

[BW52]

Do you really think that Goff is fixed?? His SB performance was abysmal at best. If confronted with the opportunity to pick 1st, McVay would himself sprint to the podium & draft Murray. The Cardinals will be mired in mediocrity if they pass. I laugh when people keep saying that if Rosen doesn't pan out, we can go get Tua, Lawrence, etc. Without Wilks on the sidelines, we are never going to see another overall 1st pick, NOT EVER. We will remain in the 6-9 win range, which is well outside the range that will land us a QB opportunity like Murray. You get one shot at this, unless you're the Colts. Draft Murray & get it right.

pure nonsense and speculation.Sure McVay wants to dump the Qb that just got his team to SuperBowl and draft a short small overrated Qb.