I don't believe it.

[football karma]

I also am unsure on Hood and for reason he just screams MATT WARE to me all over again.

The only similiarity there is that they both played for the Eagles.

Ware was a corner that couldnt hack it, so Philly moved to him safety -- Denny made him a corner again.

Hood has been a corner from day one.

 

[40yearfan]

I'm really getting a kick out of this. At the start of training camp, according to some on here, our biggest obstacle to having a winning season was the offensive line. Everyone was screaming about how screwed up this team was because it wasn't addressed properly with free agency and especially with letting LD go.

After two pre-season games, no one is talking about the Oline any longer and now it's the whole defensive team that needs to be replaced and once again, the FO is being blamed for not addressing this issue through FA, draft, etc.

I don't know of a single NFL team that has pro-bowlers starting at every position, but it seems like this is what people are demanding of this team. Every team has weaker players because there isn't enough top notch players to go around and the Cards are no exception. I think that the talent level on this team is on par with any average NFL team and that's saying a bunch when you consider the talent level of this team 3 years ago.

 

[Tony W]

Some people are never satisfied. Try looking at the "glass" as Half full instead of.........well you know the rest.

All this talk about how Whiz is "holding guys accoutable" is premature at best at this point in my mind. Benching Rolle was the easy part. Let's see him bench someone like Berry then I will believe in his tactics. Why? Let's see him bench a player that actually has performed in the past but is currently nonexistent. Rolle hasn't done squat to even be relevant IMO.

Whiz's message may be true, but he has done nothing to deserve all this praise.

 

[clif]

Some people are never satisfied. Try looking at the "glass" as Half full instead of.........well you know the rest.

satisfied with what? Crap ass play? Benching a crap ass player for another crap ass player and talking tough about being smart and disciplined all the while his team is still committing the same ******** mistakes?

Please. I'll believe it when I see it. Again I will be one of the first to point out progress when I actually see some.

 

[Gambit]

I'm really getting a kick out of this. At the start of training camp, according to some on here, our biggest obstacle to having a winning season was the offensive line. Everyone was screaming about how screwed up this team was because it wasn't addressed properly with free agency and especially with letting LD go.

After two pre-season games, no one is talking about the Oline any longer and now it's the whole defensive team that needs to be replaced and once again, the FO is being blamed for not addressing this issue through FA, draft, etc.

I don't know of a single NFL team that has pro-bowlers starting at every position, but it seems like this is what people are demanding of this team. Every team has weaker players because there isn't enough top notch players to go around and the Cards are no exception. I think that the talent level on this team is on par with any average NFL team and that's saying a bunch when you consider the talent level of this team 3 years ago.

I think all that shows is that there will always be a problem to fix, and area that can be improved. Every team has them and there's always going to be some words over how to tackle the issues.

And on the line, I think a lot of people are still worried about the lack of quality depth.

 

[az1965]

I'm really getting a kick out of this. At the start of training camp, according to some on here, our biggest obstacle to having a winning season was the offensive line. Everyone was screaming about how screwed up this team was because it wasn't addressed properly with free agency and especially with letting LD go.

After two pre-season games, no one is talking about the Oline any longer and now it's the whole defensive team that needs to be replaced and once again, the FO is being blamed for not addressing this issue through FA, draft, etc.

I don't know of a single NFL team that has pro-bowlers starting at every position, but it seems like this is what people are demanding of this team. Every team has weaker players because there isn't enough top notch players to go around and the Cards are no exception. I think that the talent level on this team is on par with any average NFL team and that's saying a bunch when you consider the talent level of this team 3 years ago.

We also get a kick out of your posts which shows how satisfied you are with a sucking franchise.

 

[Cheesebeef]

We also get a kick out of your posts which shows how satisfied you are with a sucking franchise.

I agree! Keep truckin' 40!

 

[dreamcastrocks]

What no one seems to have considered is the impact the Rolle's benching will have on the rest of the defense. Rolle was taking so much stick, some of it totally unfairly, because of perceived weaknesses in his game, poor officiating and a single blown coverage in each of the first two games. Despite that, the majority of criticism of the defense in those games was levelled at him. Well buckos, your fall guy is not there, he is not starting, all eyes not be on how Rolle performs but on the rest of the defense, and those eyes will be sharp. Reviewing the defense in the last game there were some appalling plays across the line with the same players repeating their errors several times, were they benched? Were they lynched on these forums? Sorry, but we will be looking for a new fall guy, and you will be held to account, the safety valve for the defensive failures is going to be sitting!

Great post. The entire defense has played like crap, and Rolle has played ok with two bad calls and one blown play against him.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Great post. The entire defense has played like crap, and Rolle has played ok with two bad calls and one blown play against him.

I'm sorry man, but in two quarters of play, our former first round pick has gotten two PI calls (both of which I thought were penalties when they happened) on him near the endzone, been burned by Jerrry Porter and gotten toasted by some dude I've never heard of from one of the worst teams in the NFL last year. That's a pretty horrific half of football.

yes, the rest of the defense has been nothing to write home about either, but Rolle's play(or lack thereof) has led to both of the TDs that the first team has given up this so far this year. From last year's performance and evidence so far this year from preseason, dude just doesn't look like he can play CB at an even average level.

 

[devilfan02]

We also get a kick out of your posts which shows how satisfied you are with a sucking franchise.

You beat me to it. FO apologists are the best, especially when it comes to the Cardinals

 

[Mitch]

I'm really getting a kick out of this. At the start of training camp, according to some on here, our biggest obstacle to having a winning season was the offensive line. Everyone was screaming about how screwed up this team was because it wasn't addressed properly with free agency and especially with letting LD go.

After two pre-season games, no one is talking about the Oline any longer and now it's the whole defensive team that needs to be replaced and once again, the FO is being blamed for not addressing this issue through FA, draft, etc.

I don't know of a single NFL team that has pro-bowlers starting at every position, but it seems like this is what people are demanding of this team. Every team has weaker players because there isn't enough top notch players to go around and the Cards are no exception. I think that the talent level on this team is on par with any average NFL team and that's saying a bunch when you consider the talent level of this team 3 years ago.

The problem I have with the FO, 40, is that they had ample cap space to work with this off-season...and there were some glaring needs (other than o-line) that were not addressed in EITHER free agency or the draft...a blocking TE, for example (there still isn't one on the roster) and a pass rusher or two (remember last year's pass rush? If CP didn't blitz two guys every play, there would have been none, save Okeafor's efforts).

I don't expect All-Stars at every position, but I do expect the FO to recognize areas of need and address them. But, RG thought it advisable to pay $7M of cap space to C Al Johnson this year to save on the cap next year...

Remember...Graves was the guy who told us last year that the Cardinals were still a few players away...

 

[AzCards21]

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Now that's a post!

:notworthy

 

[crisper57]

Great post. The entire defense has played like crap, and Rolle has played ok with two bad calls and one blown play against him.

Teams are learning that if they are in 3rd-and-long, they should just chuck it up to the guy Rolle is covering. It's almot a guaranteed first down! His mistakes, more than any other player, keep seemingly-dead drives alive.

 

[40yearfan]

We also get a kick out of your posts which shows how satisfied you are with a sucking franchise.

It's called patience. Patience in the form of giving this new coaching staff a chance to prove itself. Patience to allow our young players to develope. Patience to at least wait for the season to start before I make a judgement on what kind of season we will have.

The reasons why I have patience? An energetic young coaching staff who won't accept losing. Seeing how this staff is handling the problems on this team (O Line - CB). The quality of player personnel compared to anything we've had in the past. Contracts negotiated before the player's contract is up. Keeping our core group of players. Drafting much better (George Boone anyone?). Even the local press has softened their critisizms.

There is plenty of room for optimism and I'm an optimistic person.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I'm sorry man, but in two quarters of play, our former first round pick has gotten two PI calls (both of which I thought were penalties when they happened) on him near the endzone, been burned by Jerrry Porter and gotten toasted by some dude I've never heard of from one of the worst teams in the NFL last year. That's a pretty horrific half of football.

yes, the rest of the defense has been nothing to write home about either, but Rolle's play(or lack thereof) has led to both of the TDs that the first team has given up this so far this year. From last year's performance and evidence so far this year from preseason, dude just doesn't look like he can play CB at an even average level.

We can disagree on the PI calls, and it looks like we do. That's ok. Rolle isn't the only major problem for our defense right now.

What about the lack of a pass rush? (has been talked about some) How about our LB's disappearing? What about the LB's leaving the middle of the field wide open in zone coverage? What about our defense not being disciplined and overpursuing time and time again?

Our defense has been terrible these first two games, but Rolle seems to get all of the airplay.

 

[crisper57]

We can disagree on the PI calls, and it looks like we do. That's ok. Rolle isn't the only major problem for our defense right now.

What about the lack of a pass rush? (has been talked about some) How about our LB's disappearing? What about the LB's leaving the middle of the field wide open in zone coverage? What about our defense not being disciplined and overpursuing time and time again?

Our defense has been terrible these first two games, but Rolle seems to get all of the airplay.

I'll agree with you on this. No one has really impressed me on defense. That may be because they weren't always on the same page. I am looking for some major improvements in individual battles this week, especially from the guys up front.

 

[az1965]

It's called patience. Patience in the form of giving this new coaching staff a chance to prove itself. Patience to allow our young players to develope. Patience to at least wait for the season to start before I make a judgement on what kind of season we will have.

The reasons why I have patience? An energetic young coaching staff who won't accept losing. Seeing how this staff is handling the problems on this team (O Line - CB). The quality of player personnel compared to anything we've had in the past. Contracts negotiated before the player's contract is up. Keeping our core group of players. Drafting much better (George Boone anyone?). Even the local press has softened their critisizms.

There is plenty of room for optimism and I'm an optimistic person.

Most Cardinals fans must have the ultimate patience otherwise they would not be Cardinals fans!

And I appreciate whenever a good move is made by coaching staff, FO, etc. but optimism does not mean that we igonre glaring issues.

 

[Cheesebeef]

We can disagree on the PI calls, and it looks like we do. That's ok. Rolle isn't the only major problem for our defense right now.

What about the lack of a pass rush? (has been talked about some) How about our LB's disappearing? What about the LB's leaving the middle of the field wide open in zone coverage? What about our defense not being disciplined and overpursuing time and time again?

Our defense has been terrible these first two games, but Rolle seems to get all of the airplay.

oh believe me, I don't think he's the only problem - there's really too many to count, but I expected more from this kid which is why he's seemingly my lightning bolt. I loved the pick coming out of the draft and he's just been a colassal dissappointment to me.

 

[40yearfan]

The problem I have with the FO, 40, is that they had ample cap space to work with this off-season...and there were some glaring needs (other than o-line) that were not addressed in EITHER free agency or the draft...a blocking TE, for example (there still isn't one on the roster) and a pass rusher or two (remember last year's pass rush? If CP didn't blitz two guys every play, there would have been none, save Okeafor's efforts).

I don't expect All-Stars at every position, but I do expect the FO to recognize areas of need and address them. But, RG thought it advisable to pay $7M of cap space to C Al Johnson this year to save on the cap next year...

Remember...Graves was the guy who told us last year that the Cardinals were still a few players away...

But Mitch, you can't address every issue with FA's. We addressed some of the problems and hoped that coaching would elimate some of the others. We will never be 100% at every position. No one is. That's why there is such parity in the NFL and thinking about it, who would want it any other way?

BTW, the cap issues you talk about a part of a plan by RG that he's been following for the past 3 years. I don't know whether it's a good plan or not, but at least he has been consistant and followed through. The FO used to change it's strategies on a yearly basis. We now have continuity and sometimes that's just as important. Trying to entice FA's is a lot easier if they see a plan in place and an operation that looks like it knows what it is doing. That' how we got Edge.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

oh believe me, I don't think he's the only problem - there's really too many to count, but I expected more from this kid which is why he's seemingly my lightning bolt. I loved the pick coming out of the draft and he's just been a colassal dissappointment to me.

I can agree with you on that. I thought he had the tools coming out too.

 

[40yearfan]

Most Cardinals fans must have the ultimate patience otherwise they would not be Cardinals fans!

And I appreciate whenever a good move is made by coaching staff, FO, etc. but optimism does not mean that we igonre glaring issues.

I'll grant you that. It just amazes me how the glaring issues change so much from week to week.

 

[az1965]

We can disagree on the PI calls, and it looks like we do. That's ok. Rolle isn't the only major problem for our defense right now.

What about the lack of a pass rush? (has been talked about some) How about our LB's disappearing? What about the LB's leaving the middle of the field wide open in zone coverage? What about our defense not being disciplined and overpursuing time and time again?

Our defense has been terrible these first two games, but Rolle seems to get all of the airplay.

Rolle is picked on because he was the #8 pick and he has struggled for last two years and not just this pre-season with no signs of improvements.

 

[az1965]

I'll grant you that. It just amazes me how the glaring issues change so much from week to week.

They don't, our focus does...

 

[clif]

This thread is getting a little off the topic.. which ain't that bad but.. my concern still remains that I am not ready to crown Whiz's ass. I still the same fundamental mistakes as the last few years and frankly benching one guy ain't gonna fix it!

 

[Russ Smith]

BTW, the cap issues you talk about a part of a plan by RG that he's been following for the past 3 years. I don't know whether it's a good plan or not, but at least he has been consistant and followed through. The FO used to change it's strategies on a yearly basis. We now have continuity and sometimes that's just as important. Trying to entice FA's is a lot easier if they see a plan in place and an operation that looks like it knows what it is doing. That' how we got Edge.

Yes but that 3 year plan is push salaries into the current year so you have more room NEXT season to sign FA's. Then next year comes, we sign a few solid FA types and then dump a bunch more future salary into the current year cap so we have more room next year again.

San Francisco in the same division started behind us, with less caproom, and they've managed to sign 4 new starters to their secondary in the last 2 offseasons via FA, Clements, Lewis, Roman and Harris, all of whom appear to be upgrades(one a LARGE upgrade in Clements).

We're never going to get in cap hell under Graves but will we ever be a good team?