I dont care what Wilks/Keim says, this is a complete rebuild

[az jam]

There is parity in the NFL. (with the exception of the Patriots) Teams that have losing records one year make the playoffs the next year. Happens all the time. The margin off victory is very close. Poor special team play has cost the Cards dearly. Injuries also play a significant part. The ownership of Michael Bidwill has made a big difference in the Cards. He wants to win and since taking over they have won. We know what the Cards needs are and Bidwill and Keim also do and will address it. We have free agency and the draft ahead of us. Lots of changes will take place for sure. I feel we will have a very competitive team next season. IMO it will be better than this past years team.

 

[wa52lz]

Oh boo hoo - I remember when our punter Tom Tupa became our starting QB at Sun Devil Stadium - Cardinal up and take it like a fan! If we can beat the snot out of the NFCW - we can win the division and the SB - pull up your big girl panties and quit whining like a lil witch.

Tupa was actually never our punter he was a QB. He punted a total of six times in AZ all in one game 1989. He had already appeared in 8 games as a QB and attempted 139 passes before his first NFL punt. He didn't punt again in the NFL until 1994 with Cleveland.

 

[iLLmatiC]

I get the feeling the Cardinals are going after a veteran QB like Alex Smith. Then we will focus on the offensive line, add a couple of weapons on offense, and fill up our defense. We have the picks this year to restock some of our cupboard. I don't think we are going to reach for a QBOTF.

 

[Solar7]

People have listed positives on our roster--without, of course, listing our holes--but the biggest omission is that we don't have a QB. And, for the love of God, NO, a cheap vet we can easily pick up is not the answer to our woes at that most important position.

Today we're a million miles away from the playoffs. If Wilks and co. are good, AND Keim has an excellent offseason, then maybe we can compete for the playoffs. Until then, I'm going to cross my fingers and hope.

The one positive here is that we stand to have a lot of options at quarterback. It's a very rich free agency and draft class. One way or the other, there will probably be at least one cheap vet on this team, and one starting option to compete with a rookie or another vet. I'm beginning to get the feeling that Brock Osweiler or someone like that is going to be our new Drew Stanton (although no one is as cool as Drew).

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I’m a seasoned cardinal fan, some exaggerate me but I basically don’t want to be last in rush attempts or rushing, so our pass game has a snowballs chance in heaven. Best pass game in the nfl has left us without a championship - my belief does not wanted with others opinions.

Then debate the topic and not the poster. It really isn't that hard to understand.

 

[Vacard]

I get the feeling the Cardinals are going after a veteran QB like Alex Smith. Then we will focus on the offensive line, add a couple of weapons on offense, and fill up our defense. We have the picks this year to restock some of our cupboard. I don't think we are going to reach for a QBOTF.

But Alex will take a high pick or two. I suggest we go for a FA qb like Tryod or Bradford (would love to have him if hes healthy and stay healthy) then stock up picks in the draft by trading down. I think reaching is not a possibility either but if Lamar is there, then snag him.

 

[TJ]

People have listed positives on our roster--without, of course, listing our holes--but the biggest omission is that we don't have a QB. And, for the love of God, NO, a cheap vet we can easily pick up is not the answer to our woes at that most important position.

However, people are ruminating over the negatives, which is fine because we don't have a quarterback. I get it. But we are not "a million miles" away from the playoffs.

Let's use the Rams as an example. In 2016, they had a shell-shocked QB who looked abysmal in year one and a horrible o-line, but a great RB and a great defense. Enter McVay. He completely changes the atmosphere around the team, gets a couple of key pieces on offense, and the team goes from hot garbage to winning the division.

Now look at Arizona. Last season, decimated with injuries, playing with awful special teams and QB2/3 most of the season, but still gets to 8-8. Whomever we find at QB will be better than Stanton and Gabbert, I can assure you.

So in reality, this Chicken Little outlook on the team is unmerited. Is there work to be done to get to the playoffs? Most definitely. Is it a guarantee that we get to the postseason? No. But to make it sound as if it's this impossible task and to write off the 2018 season is very premature.

 

[AZCrazy]

The defense could use two players, an ILB and a NT. I like Tramon Williams as CB2, and we're pretty good on safeties.
It's the offense that needs more. A stable long term QB, a top tier WR, and an interior lineman. I think FA and the draft will address those just fine.
If someone thinks this is a last place team, they're just plain wrong. (actually, it depends on the QB in place. First, last, or anywhere in between)

 

[Carolinacacti]

One reason I wanted Bruce gone was change. New Coaches usually means more wins in the beginning. Or at least a new attitude

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Tupa was actually never our punter he was a QB. He punted a total of six times in AZ all in one game 1989. He had already appeared in 8 games as a QB and attempted 139 passes before his first NFL punt. He didn't punt again in the NFL until 1994 with Cleveland.

Guy was a beast in Tecmo Bowl tho.

 

[TJ]

Guy was a beast in Tecmo Bowl tho.

Was there a Game Genie code that I missed? Tupa and Rosenbach were hot garbage in that game. I remember many of passes thrown to the sidelines. Only way I ever had success in that game with the Cards was with a bunch of Johnny Johnson runs up the middle and curl routes.

 

[Chopper0080]

However, people are ruminating over the negatives, which is fine because we don't have a quarterback. I get it. But we are not "a million miles" away from the playoffs.

Let's use the Rams as an example. In 2016, they had a shell-shocked QB who looked abysmal in year one and a horrible o-line, but a great RB and a great defense. Enter McVay. He completely changes the atmosphere around the team, gets a couple of key pieces on offense, and the team goes from hot garbage to winning the division.

Now look at Arizona. Last season, decimated with injuries, playing with awful special teams and QB2/3 most of the season, but still gets to 8-8. Whomever we find at QB will be better than Stanton and Gabbert, I can assure you.

So in reality, this Chicken Little outlook on the team is unmerited. Is there work to be done to get to the playoffs? Most definitely. Is it a guarantee that we get to the postseason? No. But to make it sound as if it's this impossible task and to write off the 2018 season is very premature.

I don't believe that the QB we will get paired with Mike McCoy will be more productive than Arians from 2017. I don't believe we will average more than 18.4 points per game.

And I don't believe 18.4 points will be able to compete with Seattle, San Francisco and LA.

Maybe we make a big move at QB, but I don't see Alex Smith or Teddy B getting it done under McCoy.

 

[JeffGollin]

The defense could use two players, an ILB and a NT. I like Tramon Williams as CB2, and we're pretty good on safeties.
It's the offense that needs more. A stable long term QB, a top tier WR, and an interior lineman. I think FA and the draft will address those just fine.
If someone thinks this is a last place team, they're just plain wrong. (actually, it depends on the QB in place. First, last, or anywhere in between)

Think one more offensive interior lineman will do?

 

[wa52lz]

Guy was a beast in Tecmo Bowl tho.

Now you're just talking crazy.

 

[iLLmatiC]

But Alex will take a high pick or two. I suggest we go for a FA qb like Tryod or Bradford (would love to have him if hes healthy and stay healthy) then stock up picks in the draft by trading down. I think reaching is not a possibility either but if Lamar is there, then snag him.

John Clayton was saying his value has dropped because of his age. He said his value is around a 3rd or 4th.

 

[wa52lz]

Was there a Game Genie code that I missed? Tupa and Rosenbach were hot garbage in that game. I remember many of passes thrown to the sidelines. Only way I ever had success in that game with the Cards was with a bunch of Johnny Johnson runs up the middle and curl routes.

They were such a tough team to play with on offense, on D at least Harvey and McDonald were passable.

 

[Stout]

However, people are ruminating over the negatives, which is fine because we don't have a quarterback. I get it. But we are not "a million miles" away from the playoffs.

Let's use the Rams as an example. In 2016, they had a shell-shocked QB who looked abysmal in year one and a horrible o-line, but a great RB and a great defense. Enter McVay. He completely changes the atmosphere around the team, gets a couple of key pieces on offense, and the team goes from hot garbage to winning the division.

Now look at Arizona. Last season, decimated with injuries, playing with awful special teams and QB2/3 most of the season, but still gets to 8-8. Whomever we find at QB will be better than Stanton and Gabbert, I can assure you.

So in reality, this Chicken Little outlook on the team is unmerited. Is there work to be done to get to the playoffs? Most definitely. Is it a guarantee that we get to the postseason? No. But to make it sound as if it's this impossible task and to write off the 2018 season is very premature.

I get what you're saying. The optimistic viewpoint is that anything's possible. And it is. But in your example, the Rams already HAD that QB on their roster; he blossomed in his second year. You realize, even if we somehow managed to trade up for that guy, that we'd be in the "suck" year you outlined in your scenario, right?

I'm excited to have a new coach and staff. I'm slightly worried about our GM, and can only pray that he's learned from his draft gaffes and that he'll stop out-thinking himself. My outlook at QB is quite bleak. It's not, historically, an easy position to address, when you don't already have options. And I keep hearing Alex Smith, Kirk Cousins, and it's "impossible" or a "magic solution" to get one in the draft. The FA and trade market doesn't excite me, and I fear the FO is too timid to go get their guy in the draft.

So, it's early days. There's plenty of time for the situation to change and get better. In the here and now, I don't see a playoff run. That's all.

 

[cardpa]

There is parity in the NFL. (with the exception of the Patriots) Teams that have losing records one year make the playoffs the next year. Happens all the time. The margin off victory is very close. Poor special team play has cost the Cards dearly. Injuries also play a significant part. The ownership of Michael Bidwill has made a big difference in the Cards. He wants to win and since taking over they have won. We know what the Cards needs are and Bidwill and Keim also do and will address it. We have free agency and the draft ahead of us. Lots of changes will take place for sure. I feel we will have a very competitive team next season. IMO it will be better than this past years team.

Actually this made me think of a very important position that hasn't been filled on this team yet. Strength and conditioning coach. I wonder who it will be. Seems in prior years we always had a larger than normal amount of injuries. Will a new person in this position make a difference?

 

[Harry]

The question is how efficiently they can remake the offense. Emphasizing the run is a good start. They have excellent, affordable RBs. Adding a fullback is inexpensive. They need first to rebuild the line. Humphries & Shipley are set. With Palmer, Iupati, Veldheer gone they can add Norwell. For some reason McGlinchey is dropping and can likely be taking around 22, so the Cards could trade back. That gets you a low second rounder. Even if he’s gone there are right tackle candidates who can run block. Move Boone to the right. He’s only mediocre at run blocking but you can’t have all-stars everywhere. He knows what he’s doing. I think QB Smith goes for a third, but I’d try to sign Keenum. Even Bridgewater would do with a decent line and a run first offense. His strength is reading defenses. McCown anyone? If Fitz stays they draft a WR. If he leaves there’s money to sign an FA and draft another. Keep a couple of the current group. So what about the QB of the future. If Mayfield’s there I’d take him and forget trading down. They could take OT Crosby in the second but might have to trade up. Still they’ve got an extra pick by going down or if they stay at 15, a compensation pick would move them high enough.
If a few things go right, it can be done, but there’s little room for error.

 

[AZCrazy]

Draft a lineman in the first and pick up a free agent QB, or draft a QB and go after FA O-linemen?

 

[pemory09]

If the Browns had Cousins, they would be in the playoffs.

I disagree. Cousins couldn’t get the Skins in to the playoffs this past season.

 

[THESMEL]

Then debate the topic and not the poster. It really isn't that hard to understand.

I apologize to the poster I meant it to the entire fan base - rebuilding with chandle4 Jones, pp, DJ, honey badger, fitz is by far the best we have ever rebuilt with. My sarcasms obviously didn’t set well on puckered buttholes - boo boo offends that much? Pull up line, I used as a construction foreman? Cardinal up take it like a fan?

Corn flakes? Frosted Flakes? Card flakes ? Snow flakes? I’ve ate mouthfuls of boiling crap on here and now your all sensitive?

Bottom line on topic - it’s a realignment of card stars

 

[AZCB34]

I apologize to the poster I meant it to the entire fan base - rebuilding with chandle4 Jones, pp, DJ, honey badger, fitz is by far the best we have ever rebuilt with. My sarcasms obviously didn’t set well on puckered buttholes - boo boo offends that much? Pull up line, I used as a construction foreman? Cardinal up take it like a fan?

Corn flakes? Frosted Flakes? Card flakes ? Snow flakes? I’ve ate mouthfuls of boiling crap on here and now your all sensitive?

Bottom line on topic - it’s a realignment of card stars

Interesting way to apologize

 

[Vacard]

I disagree. Cousins couldn’t get the Skins in to the playoffs this past season.

Browns have a way better roster then the skins. They just can’t get motivated to even care about winning. They are just in it for the check

 

[oaken1]

Browns have a way better roster then the skins. They just can’t get motivated to even care about winning. They are just in it for the check

I agree... Browns have a lot of talent and some of it is pretty young. They just need someone to lead them...put it all together.

From that standpoint Alex Smith would be an excellent choice for them.... they threw Kizer to the wolves waaaay too soon.... probably ruined him, lol... guy really needed to ride the pine behind a decent vet for a season or two.

but yeah,... Smith and a solid vet to lead their defense on the Browns will definitely compete in their division.... unsure what Cousins actual Leadership ability is like.... a basic look would say he doesnt know what a winning team looks like, how they prepare, but Smith does.