i miss marion.

[Cody]

he was my favorite player and still is



idk why everyone hated him. he was averaged about 18 and 9 boards a game. he also got quite a few steals and blocks. i beleieve he could have scored a lot more but he didn't really have plays drawn up for him. the majority of his points were off cuts to the basket and put backs. i think the reason he got frustrated here was time after time there were talks of trading him.


anyone else see this dunk the other night?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1CHr98Wrw4

 

[PoolBoy]

i dont miss him. "Nash is the MVP of the league but people say I'm the MVP of the team"

 

[shazaam6]

I think eventhough he made the most money on the team, Nash and Amare were getting all the praise for the offense. Shawn Marion covered up for them on defense which made them look good. Without him Grant is doing a great job but Marion is a better defender and rebounder. Think about how many times a game Nash's guy gets by him and Shawn helps out or Amare's. He was versitile but wasn't worth 17 million.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

I was absolutely happy with everything he did on the court. But:

He was disillusioned as to what he thought he could do.
He was disillusioned as to what he thought he could earn.
He was disillusioned as to what he thought his role was.
He was disillusioned as to what he deserved.
He was disillusioned as to the attention he expected.
And he made it all public.

=fail.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

The only thing I really was upset about his playing was that he would go invisible at important times in the playoffs.

 

[Bufalay]

he was my favorite player and still is



idk why everyone hated him. he was averaged about 18 and 9 boards a game. he also got quite a few steals and blocks. i beleieve he could have scored a lot more but he didn't really have plays drawn up for him. the majority of his points were off cuts to the basket and put backs. i think the reason he got frustrated here was time after time there were talks of trading him.


anyone else see this dunk the other night?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1CHr98Wrw4

What play would you draw up for him? The play Frank Johnson used to draw up for him where he would dribble between his legs for 6 seconds and then do nothing?

 

[lou_skywalker]

get over with it boy, he won't come back even if you wish.
The best solution is to become a Raptors fan

 

[binkar]

It was never a question if Marion was effective here (except sometimes in the playoffs). The problem was Marion was in a absolutely PERFECT situation for him here and he took in for granted and whined his way out. It ended up costing him millions and millions of dollars. I miss watching him play and run the floor, but I don't miss him being a baby.

 

[green machine]

I hated him because he was useless on offense without others, a bit overrated on D, and whined a ton.

That and his shot is downright ugly.

 

[cly2tw]

I'm glad he is gone.

His game fits Nash's though for a nice-looking offense that's not gonna be a contender.

 

[DeAnna]

Hate is such a strong word. I mean, no one here knew him on a personal level or knew what went on behind the scenes or in the locker room.

I do miss Shawn - his hustle plays and his defense.

He did tend to disappear in the playoffs - usually they would put their most athletic defender on him and just let Amare take over since one guy can't win a game.

 

[jbeecham]

Marion brought a lot of excitement to the team with his high flying dunks, pogo stick jumping, fast breaking speed & solid defense that is really missed on the team. We really haven't had the same magic since he left.

That being said, I don't miss his horrible shooting & ugly shot, his poor shot selection (out of control runners), his lack of ball handling & passing ability, the way he'd disappear in big games (except the dallas series in the playoffs 1 year), etc etc.

I don't miss his attitude. Like someone else said, he thought he was better than he was, thought he deserved more money & recognition, constantly needed his ego stroked by everyone, complained in the media, was a horrible interview, etc etc.

 

[alldayeveryday]

The one thing I miss from Marion is what he brought day in and day out on the court. Yes, sometimes in the playoff games he would just be invisible; but he played his tail off. Playing the Lakers in the playoffs, wasn't he the one who got that rebound to throw it to Tim Thomas for the 3 to go into OT? Dumb to bring that up, but we wouldn't even be talking about how good the sun's were if it wasn't for him grabbing that board.

 

[asudevil83]

Being on the Heat and then Raptors has truely proved what Marion is worth. on a normal team he's nothing more than a 15/8 guy....nothing close to the $17mil he is earning.

 

[da_suns_fan]

Marion said and did everything everyone claimed Joe Johnson did (but never actually said or did).

I would rather have Raja, Boris, KT or Joe before I took the Matrix back. He explicitly asked for a trade a week before training camp and he got what he wanted.

Besides, I can never forgive the fact that Nash called him out after game 1 of the 2007 finals against the Spurs.

That was the de facto FINALS and he didnt come ready to play. His "energy" and "hustle" started to dwindle after 2006.

 

[AceP]

Being on the Heat and then Raptors has truely proved what Marion is worth. on a normal team he's nothing more than a 15/8 guy....nothing close to the $17mil he is earning.

You are so generous to mark him as a 15/8 guy. Right now he is just 12-13/7-8. And you don't even want to talk about his 3p shooting. I'm not sure how much he'd be asking in summer, but with the notorious Fan Degan as his agent, I doubt if MLE can satisfy him.

Barnes is better than Marion when starting or playing more than 25m, and most importantly, he plays well without Nash. We should be able to keep him for 3-4M per. Dudley has done plenty to prove himself. I think they 2 are good enough for SF position.

So, little chance for Marion to return here.

 

[pokerface]

I was absolutely happy with everything he did on the court. But:

He was disillusioned as to what he thought he could do.
He was disillusioned as to what he thought he could earn.
He was disillusioned as to what he thought his role was.
He was disillusioned as to what he deserved.
He was disillusioned as to the attention he expected.
And he made it all public.

=fail.

Thats sounds like Amare to me

 

[pokerface]

I hated him because he was useless on offense without others, a bit overrated on D, and whined a ton.

That and his shot is downright ugly.

He averaged almost 20 ppg for his career....thats not bad for being "useless on offense without others"

Far as Marion being "overrated on defense"...Well, no one would ever accuse Amare of being overrated on defense now would they?...No one gives him credit for playing any D to begin with.


Why would you knock Marion for the very few things he wasnt when he probably was one of the most well rounded and consistant basketablll players the Suns ever had?

 

[green machine]

He averaged almost 20 ppg for his career....thats not bad for being "useless on offense without others"

Far as Marion being "overrated on defense"...Well, no one would ever accuse Amare of being overrated on defense now would they?...No one gives him credit for playing any D to begin with.


Why would you knock Marion for the very few things he wasnt when he probably was one of the most well rounded and consistant basketablll players the Suns ever had?

Well rounded?

If well rounded means not being able to dribble, box out, or shoot consistently then yeah, he's up there.

He also tanked the beginning of last year before being traded, so he wasn't helping the team much at all.

Marion was good at some things, almost all directly related to his athleticism. That is starting to diminish and thus, his skills erode at a rapid pace.

Also, who brought Amare into this?

 

[pokerface]

Well rounded?

If well rounded means not being able to dribble, box out, or shoot consistently then yeah, he's up there.

Are you just a hater? You're not going to make me explain what made Marion an allstar and a all around great basketabll player are you?

He also tanked the beginning of last year before being traded, so he wasn't helping the team much at all..

Marion hussled pretty much his whole career....his overall stats are proof of that. He's an over-acheiver if anything. If anyone "tanks" it would be Amare who gets disinterested and doesnt want to do things that a "big" is supposed to...(aka rebound & defend)

Also, who brought Amare into this?

I did because Amare gets a pass because of his scoring prowness while lacking in almost every other area while Marion gets knocked for not being a "Kobe" kind of ball handler or shooter. If ppl knock Marion they have no business worshipping Amares' one dimensional game.

 

[BC867]

If Shawn Marion could have accepted his role-player status as well as Scottie Pippin did on the Bulls, he would have made the Suns a better team.

But between his whining, eventually camping out at the 3-point line and opportunity rebounding (as opposed to being a strong rebounder), he became a disappointment. Plus his high-priced contract, which rightfully brought higher expectations -- expectations that he was unequipped to deliver.

And, of course, the controversial role he played in killing a deal to bring Kevin Garnett to the Suns.

I've tried to have conversations with Marion whenever we wound up getting lunch at Yoshi's at the same time, and saw that he was not the brightest bulb in the chandilier.

That's what ruined him. His career should have been managed by people with more common sense than he.

 

[pokerface]

If Shawn Marion could have accepted his role-player status as well as Scottie Pippin did on the Bulls, he would have made the Suns a better team.

But between his whining, eventually camping out at the 3-point line and opportunity rebounding (as opposed to being a strong rebounder), he became a disappointment. Plus his high-priced contract, which rightfully brought higher expectations -- expectations that he was unequipped to deliver.

And, of course, the controversial role he played in killing a deal to bring Kevin Garnett to the Suns.

I've tried to have conversations with Marion whenever we wound up getting lunch at Yoshi's at the same time, and saw that he was not the brightest bulb in the chandilier.

That's what ruined him. His career should have been managed by people with more common sense than he.

I have no idea what you're even talking about. You're knocking his rebounding?? For Marions height how many players had better numbers than him? Plus about his contract...I certainly do not think he has anything to apologize about there. Very few players had Marions overall statline....only Garnett comes to mind as being a better overall stat producer...for almost twice the money as Marion got.

Wow. Hard to please some fans I guess. Marion played his guts out for this team and produced like few others would ever hope to achieve. Makes me wonder what the standard is...or is supposed to be.

 

[slinslin]

Any team could easily shut down Marion to 5ppg in the playoffs by simply putting ANY defender on his toes.

Don't miss him, Barnes is currently producing better numbers than Marion did since the Suns are running hard.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

I have no idea what you're even talking about. You're knocking his rebounding?? For Marions height how many players had better numbers than him? Plus about his contract...I certainly do not think he has anything to apologize about there. Very few players had Marions overall statline....only Garnett comes to mind as being a better overall stat producer...for almost twice the money as Marion got.

Wow. Hard to please some fans I guess. Marion played his guts out for this team and produced like few others would ever hope to achieve. Makes me wonder what the standard is...or is supposed to be.

It's been notoriously noted that Marion was not a box out and scrap for rebound type of player. He grabbed the ones that were opportunistic of him flying behind the bigs and stealing the ones that came out farther than the average rebound. The ones SFs and SGs are supposed to contribute. We were one of the worst rebounding teams in the league during SSOL even though we had more possessions than any other team because Amare was the only one in the paint and Marion thrived on being the best opportunistic rebounder in the game.

No one is saying he wasn't a great rebounder for his height. This is a quality/quantity issue.

Garnet made about 4 million more per year than Marion did in his last contract. Not sure where you got "almost twice" from.

Back to your old anklebiting I see...

 

[green machine]

Are you just a hater? You're not going to make me explain what made Marion an allstar and a all around great basketabll player are you?




Marion hussled pretty much his whole career....his overall stats are proof of that. He's an over-acheiver if anything. If anyone "tanks" it would be Amare who gets disinterested and doesnt want to do things that a "big" is supposed to...(aka rebound & defend)





I did because Amare gets a pass because of his scoring prowness while lacking in almost every other area while Marion gets knocked for not being a "Kobe" kind of ball handler or shooter. If ppl knock Marion they have no business worshipping Amares' one dimensional game.

Marion all around great basketball player?

I'll tell you what made him good: his athletic ability. Of course, he never improved in any area of of his game throughout the course of his entire career and now, when his athleticism is starting to fade, so is his career.

As for "great rebounder for his size", I hate those types of arguments. Should we give Marion a medal or a cookie because he was a good rebounder "for his size"? I just want a good rebounder, size be damned.