If ASU or UA had lost to Texas Southern and Utah Valley

[Dback Jon]

Along with a new DI program in Seattle, would you be calling for the coaches' head?

Oregon State - lost to TEXAS SOUTHERN, UTAH VALLEY and SEATTLE.

Texas Southern has not won another game yet - haven't been within 12 of anyone else...

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Yeah, Obama's bro is toast. He's actually recruited somewhat well up there too from a rankings perspective. As I said in the ASU thread is that nobody in the Pac can now afford to lose a game up there.

 

[Dback Jon]

Yeah, Obama's bro is toast. He's actually recruited somewhat well up there too from a rankings perspective. As I said in the ASU thread is that nobody in the Pac can now afford to lose a game up there.

yup - UA/ASU have to sweep OSU.

Those losses hurt the Conference's RPI, too.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

yup - UA/ASU have to sweep OSU.

Those losses hurt the Conference's RPI, too.

Which sucks because everyone knows it's not easy to win two road games in three nights after traveling 1200 miles no matter how bad the teams are. The Pac is probably going to get 2-3 teams in again this year unfortunately.

 

[Dback Jon]

Oregon State lost to Montana.


But hey, they beat Tx-Pan American

 

[Russ Smith]

And UA would have lost to NAU tonight if the refs hadn't had some say in it. UA plays the first 19 1/2 minutes of the 2nd half with only 3 fouls called, despite repeated drives by Cameron jones where he ends up on the floor begging for a call. Williams at the other end is getting his jump into the defender calls and then UA gets hot from 3 and takes the lead.

Up 3 late under a minute Miller decides hey we have 3 fouls to burn, so he burns one. They steal the inbound, Lavender dunks, does a half pullup half Tarzan swing on the rim, whistles blow. SO you think T on Lavender but nope, they had a shot clock issue(the clock was actually off under 35 seconds but apparently the refs missed that too). So UA is up 5, use another foul and then knock away the NAU lob game over.

The key to the game was the 3 fouls in 19 1/2 minutes it allowed UA to foul and stop NAU from getting a 3 off. Even with that if they just call the clear T on Lavender they can get it to 4 and have at least a prayer.

Derrick Williams is unreal, hitting 3's, crossing over guys, it kills me how underrated that kid was in HS.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

I guess we won tonight against a Big Sky team, but if this happened in Year 4 or 5 then Sean Miller might've come back to a moving company clearing out his office.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

And UA would have lost to NAU tonight if the refs hadn't had some say in it. UA plays the first 19 1/2 minutes of the 2nd half with only 3 fouls called, despite repeated drives by Cameron jones where he ends up on the floor begging for a call. Williams at the other end is getting his jump into the defender calls and then UA gets hot from 3 and takes the lead.

Up 3 late under a minute Miller decides hey we have 3 fouls to burn, so he burns one. They steal the inbound, Lavender dunks, does a half pullup half Tarzan swing on the rim, whistles blow. SO you think T on Lavender but nope, they had a shot clock issue(the clock was actually off under 35 seconds but apparently the refs missed that too). So UA is up 5, use another foul and then knock away the NAU lob game over.

The key to the game was the 3 fouls in 19 1/2 minutes it allowed UA to foul and stop NAU from getting a 3 off. Even with that if they just call the clear T on Lavender they can get it to 4 and have at least a prayer.

Derrick Williams is unreal, hitting 3's, crossing over guys, it kills me how underrated that kid was in HS.

Is that you Jon posting under Russ' username? UA sucked tonight but they won because they made 10 three's and committed six less turnovers.

Tech on Lav's dunk? That's a joke. Worry about your own team getting blown out by a Big Sky team.

 

[Dback Jon]

Is that you Jon posting under Russ' username? UA sucked tonight but they won because they made 10 three's and committed six less turnovers.

Tech on Lav's dunk? That's a joke. Worry about your own team getting blown out by a Big Sky team.

No, but the truth hurts.

The only reason UA won because the refs gave them the game. NAU was the better team tonight.

Typical Tucscum reffing. You should be ashamed to call that a win.

 

[Russ Smith]

Is that you Jon posting under Russ' username? UA sucked tonight but they won because they made 10 three's and committed six less turnovers.

Tech on Lav's dunk? That's a joke. Worry about your own team getting blown out by a Big Sky team.

That was a T without question. They even showed it on ESPN this morning and said "Lavender does a pullup on the rim to ice the game." You can't swing on the rim like that unless you're in danger of being hurt, he wasn't, he was just showing off. I was amazed the announcers didn't say anything about it.

And yes, UA got the calls last night, 3 fouls in 19 1/2 minutes despite repeated drives to the basket, it wasn't like NAU was chucking up 3's all game, there were multiple drives to the basket without a call where there was contact. On one sequence Jones got knocked to the floor, you could see the contact but no foul. Down the other end Lavender hits a 3 to put UA up 1 and Jones is screaming and flailing his arms, I was surprised HE didn't get a T but I think it's because the refs knew he was right.

If that game isn't in Tucson UA loses last night.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

In the second half Arizona shot 59% and allowed no 2nd chance points. Both teams had exactly 13 fouls for the game. Arizona made 10 3's compared to NAU's 3 while shotting 45% form long range. UA had also had seven fewer turnovers. In crunch time NAU had two turnovers in the final minute of the game whereas Arizona was 4/4 from the field in their last four possessions. What am I missing here?

 

[Renz]

In the second half Arizona shot 59% and allowed no 2nd chance points. Both teams had exactly 13 fouls for the game. Arizona made 10 3's compared to NAU's 3 while shotting 45% form long range. UA had also had seven fewer turnovers. In crunch time NAU had two turnovers in the final minute of the game whereas Arizona was 4/4 from the field in their last four possessions. What am I missing here?

Haters gonna hate.

 

[Dback Jon]

In the second half Arizona shot 59% and allowed no 2nd chance points. Both teams had exactly 13 fouls for the game. Arizona made 10 3's compared to NAU's 3 while shotting 45% form long range. UA had also had seven fewer turnovers. In crunch time NAU had two turnovers in the final minute of the game whereas Arizona was 4/4 from the field in their last four possessions. What am I missing here?

The fact that Arizona was allowed to hack Jones at will with no consequences.

 

[Dback Jon]

Haters gonna hate.

And Kitties cheat to win, as usual...

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

The fact that Arizona was allowed to hack Jones at will with no consequences.

Biased judgment calls on a non-HD angle filmed forty rows up vs actual statistics. Thanks Jon, I'll win that one every time.

 

[ajcardfan]

If anyone knows when a team is getting favorable reffing, it's going to be a UCLA fan.

 

[Russ Smith]

In the second half Arizona shot 59% and allowed no 2nd chance points. Both teams had exactly 13 fouls for the game. Arizona made 10 3's compared to NAU's 3 while shotting 45% form long range. UA had also had seven fewer turnovers. In crunch time NAU had two turnovers in the final minute of the game whereas Arizona was 4/4 from the field in their last four possessions. What am I missing here?

Well let's see, NAU took SIX 3 pointers in the whole game, UA took 22. That's because NAU played zone most of the game, as they kept telling us how onesided the inside scoring was. And yet you don't find it odd that UA shot 15 FT's to NAU's 7? One team going inside over and over shoots 7 FT's, other team nearly half their shots are 3 pointers and they shoot twice as many FT'? NAU outrebounded UA 28-18, they out assisted them 18 to 13, they shot 53% for the game UA shot 42. So how did UA win, big edge in made 3's and 8 extra points on made FT's despite shooting all those 3's.

UA had 2 team fouls in like the first 19 minutes. In fact when they fouled late in the half the announcers didn't even realize how few fouls UA had. You could hear in the voices they thought it was a dumb foul until they realized it was the 3rd team foul on UA.

UA made big shots down the stretch yes, but many of their stops were identical, NAU holds ball, Jones drives to basket, knocked to floor, UA collects rebound. Generally speaking the team that goes to the basket aggressively shoots the most FT's, this game was TOTALLY one sided in inside scoring.

 

[Russ Smith]

Biased judgment calls on a non-HD angle filmed forty rows up vs actual statistics. Thanks Jon, I'll win that one every time.

So do you think the refs let Illinois get away with fouls to catch up in 2005 or do you think since the actual statistics say otherwise, they didn't foul?

the silly thing is I wanted UA to win, the more of these games the Pac 10 loses the harder it will be for anybody to get an at large bid and right now I'm convinced UW is going to win the conference.

I just had a hard time not rooting for NAU after the 3rd time Jones got floored with no call.

 

[ajcardfan]

So, Oregon St. sweeps the Arizona schools the first weekend of Pac 10 play. What does that say about OSUs ooc schedule and the state of the Pac 10?

 

[Dback Jon]

So, Oregon St. sweeps the Arizona schools the first weekend of Pac 10 play. What does that say about OSUs ooc schedule and the state of the Pac 10?

Montana is Pac 10 champs?

 

[Russ Smith]

So, Oregon St. sweeps the Arizona schools the first weekend of Pac 10 play. What does that say about OSUs ooc schedule and the state of the Pac 10?

I think OSU had a couple of kids who were injured in the OOC and are now healthy, not sure I think Burton and Nelson were both not 100% in the OOC.

But it sure is stunning to me they're 2-0 after that OOC performance, I thought they and Oregon were clearly the weakest teams.

I'm also less positive that UW will run away after watching them beat UCLA. UCLA shot like crap, didn't hustle back on defense(Nelson was beaten repeatedly by MBA on that) and still had the game down to 4 points when UW's experienced players took over and pulled away. I think UW will win the conference but I don't think they're quite as good as I thought.

 

[ajcardfan]

Montana is Pac 10 champs?

Actually, they would be competitive in the Pac 10 this year.

 

[ajcardfan]

But it sure is stunning to me they're 2-0 after that OOC performance, I thought they and Oregon were clearly the weakest teams.

I thought so too. I'm not totally surprised ASU didn't sweep the Oregon trip. Although I didn't think they would get blown out in Corvallis. I was really surprised to see OSU beat Arizona however.

IDK. I thought the conference bottomed out last year. But, I think they are clearly worse this year than last. The top three or four teams in the PAC this year, none of them would've finished better than 4th in the conference two years ago, if that. IMHO

 

[Russ Smith]

I thought so too. I'm not totally surprised ASU didn't sweep the Oregon trip. Although I didn't think they would get blown out in Corvallis. I was really surprised to see OSU beat Arizona however.

IDK. I thought the conference bottomed out last year. But, I think they are clearly worse this year than last. The top three or four teams in the PAC this year, none of them would've finished better than 4th in the conference two years ago, if that. IMHO

Agreed, besides the overall youth in the conference there's a stunning lack of good guard play which is why UW is the favorite, they have good guards.

There's only one McD's AA in this years freshman class, Josh Smith. Next year I think it's possible UA could have 2, Turner and Johnson, Powell has an outside shot from UCLA except he missed over a month in AAU with an injury which will hurt his chances to get noticed nationally. I think Jabari Brown going to Oregon has a chance too, Carson at ASU, Wroten at UW so that's 6 really good guards coming in. USC has a couple of guards signed I haven't seen much of but who are considered pretty good. Probably some more I am forgetting but I do think next year the talent will improve and then 2012 is pretty loaded with talent hopefully much of which stays in the Pac 10.

There just hasn't been as much talent out west in recent years, everyone had UCLA's 08 class so highly rated and there's only 1 NBA player in the bunch and he only stayed 1 year. I sure wish UCLA hadn't changed their minds on Kendall Williams he looks terrific at New Mexico, he might be UCLA's starting PG right now.

2013 has talented kids too and there's more on the way behind that so hopefully the Pac 10 rebounds.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

The issue is that Craig Robinson is a terrible coach. They have talent on that team which allows them to beat anyone on a given night yet their coaching allows them to lose to the Texas Southern's of the world.