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They likely picked the best time in recent years considering this draft class. The class has more high quality choices at premium positions with the possible exception of QB. However, there are some nice mid-round options that fit nicely into BA's game. Round 1 will offer Corners, Pass Rushers, Tight Ends, O/D Tackles, and athletic QBs. Round 2 will likely offer Linebackers, Corners and Receivers that might have been Round 1 talent in recent drafts. In the next 2 rounds after that a QBOTF should still be on the board along with return specialists, runners and pass catchers. If the Cards draft mid-round they will likely acquire at least 2 immediate starters and likely 2 more future starters.

Of course all this depends on the Cards making good selections. The last 2 years it seems like they've been trying to grab projects. Ones they thought they could out guess everyone else and turn into blossoming steals. So far they've gotten only a limited return on their investment. Sometimes going away from the consensus can be rewarding but continuously doing it is rarely the path to success. No draft expert hits on all picks, but constantly selecting long shots usually leaves you coming home from the track with empty pockets. There are now so many qualified talent evaluators on the internet that trying constantly to pick someone no one else even thinks of usually is a path to failure. The Cards need to adapt a strategy of picking players who may not be wishful thinking superstars, but instead are players who can make a certain contribution. The Cards will have a core of quality players in 2017; they just need to add in some solid performers.
 

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They likely picked the best time in recent years considering this draft class. The class has more high quality choices at premium positions with the possible exception of QB. However, there are some nice mid-round options that fit nicely into BA's game. Round 1 will offer Corners, Pass Rushers, Tight Ends, O/D Tackles, and athletic QBs. Round 2 will likely offer Linebackers, Corners and Receivers that might have been Round 1 talent in recent drafts. In the next 2 rounds after that a QBOTF should still be on the board along with return specialists, runners and pass catchers. If the Cards draft mid-round they will likely acquire at least 2 immediate starters and likely 2 more future starters.

Of course all this depends on the Cards making good selections. The last 2 years it seems like they've been trying to grab projects. Ones they thought they could out guess everyone else and turn into blossoming steals. So far they've gotten only a limited return on their investment. Sometimes going away from the consensus can be rewarding but continuously doing it is rarely the path to success. No draft expert hits on all picks, but constantly selecting long shots usually leaves you coming home from the track with empty pockets. There are now so many qualified talent evaluators on the internet that trying constantly to pick someone no one else even thinks of usually is a path to failure. The Cards need to adapt a strategy of picking players who may not be wishful thinking superstars, but instead are players who can make a certain contribution. The Cards will have a core of quality players in 2017; they just need to add in some solid performers.

I agree Harry... with all the information available now...if a player only needs to put in the work to be great one would have to think he would already have done it at some point if he is ever going to do it at all.
 

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Just don't make a mistake like drafting another Brandon Williams as early as he was selected.
 

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Of course all this depends on the Cards making good selections. The last 2 years it seems like they've been trying to grab projects. Ones they thought they could out guess everyone else and turn into blossoming steals.

That is a really good point.

My biggest complaint is drafting positions where you already have 10 players, and just the numbers alone dictate that one of those draft picks would have to be cut before they even get to their rookie season.

All the while the team struggles to find inside linebackers, and an interior offensive linemen, two positions that a lot of NFL teams seem to find viable starters at those positions.

........actually its funny I say that, and the Cardinals did, in fact pick up a center and guard in the later rounds of last year draft, both of which look to have a future in the league and with the Cardinals.
 

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The initial shine of SK's draft seem to have lost some luster IMO.
 

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Yep. Enough with the self congratualtory/smartest guy in the room crap spending valuable picks on unknown players from tiny little schools because they are fast or were a team captain. We've got just enough John Browns and JJ Nelsons and Brandon Williams to last for quite a while. And please manage the roster better mid season. Giving up Harlan this year to keep Butler, just to cut Butler a day later was buffoonery.
 

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Yep. Enough with the self congratualtory/smartest guy in the room crap spending valuable picks on unknown players from tiny little schools because they are fast or were a team captain. We've got just enough John Browns and JJ Nelsons and Brandon Williams to last for quite a while. And please manage the roster better mid season. Giving up Harlan this year to keep Butler, just to cut Butler a day later was buffoonery.
*Marqui. Harlan is still on the team.
 

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After 10 games we're going over to draft talk are we? What a "revolting development". I'm not so sure we'll get the help we need through the draft, given their track record the last two years. There's something wrong with Palmer and I think he has to go, the question is who replaces him and that guys not on our roster as of today.
 

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RD1. QB/ILB
RD2. ILB/QB
RD3. WR
RD4. G
RD5. CB
RD6. ILB
RD7. WR


In that exact order please.
 

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The problem with Palmer is the Oline is getting him killed.

Glaring needs:

RG
CB
ILB
WR (Maybe)

Maybe a Safety if Tony Jefferson leaves in FA, losing Marqui was a big hit to the plan.
 

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They likely picked the best time in recent years considering this draft class. The class has more high quality choices at premium positions with the possible exception of QB. However, there are some nice mid-round options that fit nicely into BA's game. Round 1 will offer Corners, Pass Rushers, Tight Ends, O/D Tackles, and athletic QBs. Round 2 will likely offer Linebackers, Corners and Receivers that might have been Round 1 talent in recent drafts. In the next 2 rounds after that a QBOTF should still be on the board along with return specialists, runners and pass catchers. If the Cards draft mid-round they will likely acquire at least 2 immediate starters and likely 2 more future starters.

Of course all this depends on the Cards making good selections. The last 2 years it seems like they've been trying to grab projects. Ones they thought they could out guess everyone else and turn into blossoming steals. So far they've gotten only a limited return on their investment. Sometimes going away from the consensus can be rewarding but continuously doing it is rarely the path to success. No draft expert hits on all picks, but constantly selecting long shots usually leaves you coming home from the track with empty pockets. There are now so many qualified talent evaluators on the internet that trying constantly to pick someone no one else even thinks of usually is a path to failure. The Cards need to adapt a strategy of picking players who may not be wishful thinking superstars, but instead are players who can make a certain contribution. The Cards will have a core of quality players in 2017; they just need to add in some solid performers.

The one we need.
 
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QB won't yield a bunch of immediate starters. Still there's a few run/pass guys that can play. Also there's a few developable guys with big arms; the type BA likes. I just wouldn't take one early as they are all gambles. They are, however, much better than the recent pitiful guys the Cards have brought in to try.
 

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That is a recipe for disaster, you cant draft like that. Free agency is for needs the draft is for taking the BPA.
And I'm thinking of the Best Player Available for those positions.

The draft is also for needs.
 

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The problem with Palmer is the Oline is getting him killed.

Glaring needs:

RG
CB
ILB
WR (Maybe)

Maybe a Safety if Tony Jefferson leaves in FA, losing Marqui was a big hit to the plan.

They need a transition plan. They don't have one. It needs to be addressed aggressively. A RG isn't going to get this team to the next level, it has mtl peaked with the present players. Plan B can not be Stanton. There has to be someone in the wings.............
 

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Build a great line around David Johnson like Dallas has done. Our offensive line is just not good.
 

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They likely picked the best time in recent years considering this draft class. The class has more high quality choices at premium positions with the possible exception of QB.

Unfortunately... QB is pretty damn high on our "needs" list.
BA's offense took a long damn time, for even a veteran like CP to learn.

It still kills me that with all the offensive "guru's"..... BASK... Moore, etc... couldn't sniff out a true QBOTF all these years...But the idiots in Dallas (Who almost pulled the trigger on Johnny Douchebag.... found a gem like Dak Prescott.
 

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The problem with Palmer is the Oline is getting him killed.

Glaring needs:

RG
CB
ILB
WR (Maybe)

Maybe a Safety if Tony Jefferson leaves in FA, losing Marqui was a big hit to the plan.
The offensive line became a mess really fast. We put out big money for Iupati and Veldheer and used 1st round picks on Cooper and Humphries and right now not one of them are paying dividends.
 

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The offensive line became a mess really fast. We put out big money for Iupati and Veldheer and used 1st round picks on Cooper and Humphries and right now not one of them are paying dividends.

Veldheer is getting good money but not "big" money for a LT. Iupati is getting big money and has earned his pay. Cooper helped get us C Jones but yeah he was a bust. Humphries is not earning any PB votes but he isn't playing worse than Massie and should improve.

My point was that at this time, with all the injuries and juggling of the Oline they are playing like crap and that's the main reason Palmer is struggling. The other issue is the WR's have not been playing up to their ability.

Palmer owns a couple of bad decisions every game but that's the norm for even the best QB's.
 

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Veldheer is getting good money but not "big" money for a LT. Iupati is getting big money and has earned his pay. Cooper helped get us C Jones but yeah he was a bust. Humphries is not earning any PB votes but he isn't playing worse than Massie and should improve.

My point was that at this time, with all the injuries and juggling of the Oline they are playing like crap and that's the main reason Palmer is struggling. The other issue is the WR's have not been playing up to their ability.

Palmer owns a couple of bad decisions every game but that's the norm for even the best QB's.
Everyone can make mistakes, even the best
But palmer use to make them in the clutch time
 
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