In Light of Recent Developments... (draft convo)

[Pariah]

Looking at the schedule ahead, there are a couple of winnable games, likely taking us out of the top-5 draft picks, IMO. If Skelton continues to play smart, the offense should be able to produce enough points to beat the Panthers and the 9ers game is always a game where it seems records can go out the window. Dallas, admittedly, is probably a loss.

It's my thought that outside of Luck, there's not really a QB worth taking between 5-12. So, let's talk other possibilities.

• Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU
• Prince AmukamaraCB, Nebraska
• AJ Green, WR, Georgia
• Ryan Kerrigan, DE/OLB, Purdue
• Von Miller, DE/OLB, Texas A&M

The list is by no means meant to be comprehensive.

Here's what I might try to do...trade out of the top-10 for another 2nd rounder and get Mike Pouncey, G, Florida. Seems to me there might be a good DE/OLB tweener that could fit our scheme at the top of the second and then we could use the 2nd second round pick to either take a QB or continue to build the team's lines.

Or, if we stay put, I think I'd likely go with one of the CBs...I think passing on either of them for a 3-4 DE in the top ten would be folly based on their talent. It would be akin to passing on AP for Brown (yes, I'm still caught up on that).

Who do you like?

 

[desertdawg]

Looking at the schedule ahead, there are a couple of winnable games, likely taking us out of the top-5 draft picks, IMO. If Skelton continues to play smart, the offense should be able to produce enough points to beat the Panthers and the 9ers game is always a game where it seems records can go out the window. Dallas, admittedly, is probably a loss.

It's my thought that outside of Luck, there's not really a QB worth taking between 5-12. So, let's talk other possibilities.

• Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU
• Prince AmukamaraCB, Nebraska
• AJ Green, WR, Georgia
• Ryan Kerrigan, DE/OLB, Purdue
• Von Miller, DE/OLB, Texas A&M

The list is by no means meant to be comprehensive.

Here's what I might try to do...trade out of the top-10 for another 2nd rounder and get Mike Pouncey, G, Florida. Seems to me there might be a good DE/OLB tweener that could fit our scheme at the top of the second and then we could use the 2nd second round pick to either take a QB or continue to build the team's lines.

Or, if we stay put, I think I'd likely go with one of the CBs...I think passing on either of them for a 3-4 DE in the top ten would be folly based on their talent. It would be akin to passing on AP for Brown (yes, I'm still caught up on that).

Who do you like?

Newton (Miller off of your list)

 

[Mulli]

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Da'Quan Bowers, DE/OLB Clemson.

 

[THESMEL]

Well Rams gotta lose 2 and tie Hawks

Hawks gotta lose 2 and Tie Rams

9ers gotta lose 1, beat the Rams and lose to the Cardinals

and Wa-La

we become the worse team to ever enter the playoffs again!!!
in the worst Division in history of earth

run through the playoffs and win the Superbowl
and pick 32nd

Feed timmy 30 times a game and watch this!

not that it matters cause

There is a lockout in 2011 - scrubs start the season- players with current contracts cross the picket line and the players union dies a miserable death in public.

CARDINAL UP AND TAKE IT LIKE A FAN!

 

[anks106]

There is a lockout in 2011 - scrubs start the season- players with current contracts cross the picket line and the players union dies a miserable death in public.

CARDINAL UP AND TAKE IT LIKE A FAN!

Yeah, thats not how it works.. that would be a possibility in a strike, although the players union dying.. that'll be the day. This is a lockout, a la the owners locking the players out. No replacement players, no games played in a lockout.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

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Da'Quan Bowers, DE/OLB Clemson.

+1

 

[football karma]

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Da'Quan Bowers, DE/OLB Clemson.

Bowers is 280 lbs -- a true 4-3 DE, not a 3/4 DE or OLB.

Robert Quinn, a DE/ OLB hybrid is 255 and more suited to the Cardinals defense -- if you dont mind the fact that he has been ineligible for the entire 2010 college year for accepting some wristwatches from an agent (but still ranked in the top 10)

another name for Pariah's list is Akeem Ayers, UCLA. 255 lbs LB who rushes, covers and fills.

 

[az jam]

Peterson would be my choice, if he is gone then I like Von Miller. Peterson is close to a top 5 pick while Miller is 10 to 15. This can and will change depending on bowl games, all star games and the Combine.

 

[THESMEL]

another thread

Owners can't lock-out Union players? and go to court later?
I think they can and they plan.

Who told you that the players association?

Yeah, thats not how it works.. that would be a possibility in a strike, although the players union dying.. that'll be the day. This is a lockout, a la the owners locking the players out. No replacement players, no games played in a lockout.

 

[Mulli]

Owners can't lock-out Union players? and go to court later?
I think they can and they plan.

Who told you that the players association?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Split personality?

 

[az jam]

Bowers is 280 lbs -- a true 4-3 DE, not a 3/4 DE or OLB.

Robert Quinn, a DE/ OLB hybrid is 255 and more suited to the Cardinals defense -- if you dont mind the fact that he has been ineligible for the entire 2010 college year for accepting some wristwatches from an agent (but still ranked in the top 10)

another name for Pariah's list is Akeem Ayers, UCLA. 255 lbs LB who rushes, covers and fills.

Bowers probably will be gone when we pick as he is rated top 3 (at this point) but Quinn would be a good choice and so is Ayers. Both would fill big needs for us.

 

[Mulli]

Bowers is 280 lbs -- a true 4-3 DE, not a 3/4 DE or OLB.

Robert Quinn, a DE/ OLB hybrid is 255 and more suited to the Cardinals defense -- if you dont mind the fact that he has been ineligible for the entire 2010 college year for accepting some wristwatches from an agent (but still ranked in the top 10)

another name for Pariah's list is Akeem Ayers, UCLA. 255 lbs LB who rushes, covers and fills.

He looks long and lean like Demarcus Ware and Peppers.

 

[Shane]

Why do you even bother?

 

[THESMEL]

1-32

We play 1-11 Carolina so, the spectrum of possibilities are still picking 1-32 or even 1-34 or 36 with expansion teams with the CBA.

I say we need OLB again.

Why do you even bother?

 

[THESMEL]

NFCW TEAM NEEDS LINK

Current Injuries

O'Brien Schofield, LB - Schofield is expected to thrive eventually as a 3-4 linebacker, but the Cardinals knew his career would start a bit late after suffering an injury during Senior Bowl practices.

Kenny Iwebema, DE - A knee injury sidelined the Cardinals' key reserve for the rest of the season.NotesQBs Max Hall and Derek Anderson have not overwhelmed opponents this year, so a future signal caller should be high on the priority list. They also lack a playmaking tight end and depth at cornerback. The interior offensive line (Deuce Lutui and Alan Faneca will be free agents) and nose tackle (Bryan Robinson and Gabe Watson are FA) will also be issues.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/team-needs/NFC/West

Team Needs Explanation Rating Description

0-2 Solid starter(s). The team is unlikely to draft a player at this position.

3-5 This position needs depth.

6-8 This position needs a starter.

9-10 This is the biggest position of need.


Conditions for the Ratings

Injured starters can increase the need at that position

• Rookie starters can increase or decrease the need at that position according to his performance
• Free agents and trades will either increase or decrease a need at that position
• Contract players will increase the need at that position until they sign an extension
• This will update throughout the season to determine each team's needs for the 2010 draft.

 

[THESMEL]

We lost 10 of our top 20 paid players last offseason, I was just going down the list to see who was here and under contract? pretty sad really, you we lost players last year wait till this year.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/arizona-cardinals/salary/67066

 

[LarryStalling]

and half or more of the other ten will be gone after this year

 

[Buckybird]

This team needs 2 more edge rushers to make the 3-4 work...Robert Quinn would a great pick!!!

 

[kerouac9]

If we draft in between 6 and 12 there's some possibility that we could get a trade down. There'll be good players there, but not necessarily for us.

I don't think that Adrian Clayborn is a OLB in a 3-4. Iowa lists him at 285. We'd have to convert to a 4-3. You could see 6 DL go in the top 10 picks (Darus-ALA, Clayborn-IOWA, Bowers-CLEMSON, Bailey-MIAMI(FL), Paea-OREST) and maybe Quinn, though I doubt it.

I'd take Cam Newton if he were still on the board. If he's gone, I'd try and trade back a few spots and take either OT Castonzo or Sherrod or DE Kerrigan (Purdue). I'm sick of these sub-250 hybrid OLBs. They're too small, especially if we're going to one-gap with our DEs.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

If we draft in between 6 and 12 there's some possibility that we could get a trade down. There'll be good players there, but not necessarily for us.

I don't think that Adrian Clayborn is a OLB in a 3-4. Iowa lists him at 285. We'd have to convert to a 4-3. You could see 6 DL go in the top 10 picks (Darus-ALA, Clayborn-IOWA, Bowers-CLEMSON, Bailey-MIAMI(FL), Paea-OREST) and maybe Quinn, though I doubt it.

I'd take Cam Newton if he were still on the board. If he's gone, I'd try and trade back a few spots and take either OT Castonzo or Sherrod or DE Kerrigan (Purdue). I'm sick of these sub-250 hybrid OLBs. They're too small, especially if we're going to one-gap with our DEs.

I think Clayborn could play 3-4 DE. He'd have to put on a little weight but his play reminds me alot of Dockett.
There are alot of pretty good sized 3-4 OLB's coming into this draft that can play:
Robert Quinn- 6'5 268
Jeremy Beal from Oklahoma - 6'3 263
Justin Houston,Georgia - 6'3 257
Akeem Ayers, UCLA- 6'4 252
Kerrigan- 6'4 263
Sam Acho- 6'3 260

Another spot that needs addressed is a thumper type ILB. This draft doesn't have many of those. The guy I like is Dontae Hightower from Bama. He's 6'4 250 but coming back fom a knee injury. If he'd play to his pre-knee injury level, he'd be a top 15 pick but he hasn't. Another year off injury and he may re-gain his form.

 

[Cards Czar]

We are already at #6 and if we win a few more we will be in the 8-12 range. I would trade back no lower then 15-18 and go after Akeem Ayers, UCLA. 255 lbs SILB/OLB. Another SILB/OLB is Martez Wilson from Ill, 6-4 250, 4.60 40. He is a Junior but if he comes out the cards should strongly look at this kid. He hurt his neck in game 1 against MO and set out the rest of the season. He had a monster season this year. Wilson reminds me so much of Dansby its not funny. Another late 1st /early 2nd is OLB Justin Houston Georgia, 6-3 259.

 

[Duckjake]

I think Clayborn could play 3-4 DE. He'd have to put on a little weight but his play reminds me alot of Dockett.
There are alot of pretty good sized 3-4 OLB's coming into this draft that can play:
Robert Quinn- 6'5 268
Jeremy Beal from Oklahoma - 6'3 263
Justin Houston,Georgia - 6'3 257
Akeem Ayers, UCLA- 6'4 252
Kerrigan- 6'4 263
Sam Acho- 6'3 260

Another spot that needs addressed is a thumper type ILB. This draft doesn't have many of those. The guy I like is Dontae Hightower from Bama. He's 6'4 250 but coming back fom a knee injury. If he'd play to his pre-knee injury level, he'd be a top 15 pick but he hasn't. Another year off injury and he may re-gain his form.

Here's the guy we need to get in round 2 or 3. He's every bit as good if not better than Orakpo and The Big O already has 19.5 sacks in only 29 games in the NFL.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

We are already at #6 and if we win a few more we will be in the 8-12 range. I would trade back no lower then 15-18 and go after Akeem Ayers, UCLA. 255 lbs SILB/OLB. Another SILB/OLB is Martez Wilson from Ill, 6-4 250, 4.60 40. He is a Junior but if he comes out the cards should strongly look at this kid. He hurt his neck in game 1 against MO and set out the rest of the season. He had a monster season this year. Wilson reminds me so much of Dansby its not funny. Another late 1st /early 2nd is OLB Justin Houston Georgia, 6-3 259.

I forgot about Wilson. He's a big time talent but should have went to OSU .

 

[Buckybird]

Here's the guy we need to get in round 2 or 3. He's every bit as good if not better than Orakpo and The Big O already has 19.5 sacks in only 29 games in the NFL.

Duck I think Acho will somehow make it in the 1st rd despite a down year on a poor Texas D...he's a freak just like Orakpo