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Rumors that the Blazers are shopping Rasheed Wallace hard just won't die. A controversial interview in today's Oregonian probably won't help his status with the team. Numerous GMs around the league are claiming that, with Bonzi Wells out of the picture in Portland, and the outpouring of goodwill from fans for letting him leave, Blazers GM John Nash wants to seize the moment and see if he can get rid of more of his trash while the getting is good.
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2003-2004 SEASON STATISTICS
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The stumbling block to moving Wallace remains the same. Nash wants back either an expiring contract, a top-notch prospect (or high draft pick) or a legit all-star small forward. While most GMs will concede that Wallace's talent is worth the price (as is the fact that the risk is low since his contract comes off the books this summer), his considerable baggage and the uncertainty about his future are making it a very hard sell.

There are teams out there that are interested (like the 76ers and Celtics) but don't have the assets to work out something with the Blazers. Given the Suns' recent woes, maybe Nash should pick up the phone and see if Suns GM Bryan Colangelo is willing to deal.

As you read above, Colangelo likes his core and has remained pretty strident that he's not prepared to break it up . . . yet. But with Amare Stoudemire out a month, and the rest of the Western Conference already lapping them, how patient is Colangelo willing to be?

I normally like to stay away from blockbuster deals, especially once the season is under way. They cost too much and rarely happen, but I wonder if the Suns and Blazers could work something out. Here's an idea that seems to make sense for both teams.

The Suns could send Shawn Marion, Penny Hardaway, Tom Gugliotta and Cezary Trybanski to the Blazers for Wallace, Dale Davis, Derek Anderson and Qyntel Woods.

What do the Blazers get out of the deal? A young athletic all-star forward who can shoot the 3 and rebound in Marion; a healthy (at least right now) Hardaway to swing between the one and the two; Gugliotta's expiring contract and a young, but very raw big man, Trybanski, to develop in the middle.

What do the Suns get? Wallace, who, when he's focused, is one of the top five small forwards in the league. The Suns desperately need size, and the 6-foot-11 Wallace can deliver from the three, four or five. Davis is the type of blue collar, low-post banger the Suns have needed for a while. Anderson, when he's healthy, is actually a younger, more athletic version of Hardaway because of his ability to play multiple positions on the floor. Woods, when he's not smoking weed, is considered one of the brightest young prospects out there.

What would hold up the deal? Character will be a big issue for the Suns. They traded away Jason Kidd after his domestic abuse charges. Davis and Anderson are fine, but Wallace's and Woods' past abuses with Mary Jane would certainly give Suns CEO Jerry Colangelo pause. While talent-wise, the Suns come out ahead (though losing Marion would be a pretty big blow), there's no guarantee that this group, which has struggled at times in Portland, would give them any more effort than Marion and Hardaway.

Money would be the biggest issue for the Blazers. As it stands now, they're set to get Wallace's $17 million off the cap this summer. Gugliotta will give them $11.6 million in cap relief next year, but Marion's (6 years, $10.9 million in 2003-4) and Hardaway's (3 years, $13.5 million in 2003-04) long-term deals will handcuff them a little financially. Talent-wise, the Blazers take a small hit, but it would probably be worth getting rid of Wallace and Woods. Without Davis to man the middle, a combo of Vladimir Stepania, Ruben Boumtje-Boumtje and Trybanski probably won't be enough to get it done in the paint.

You hard core fans out there will no doubt notice that Marion is a base-year player this year. To save you the trouble of the e-mails, just note that base-year players are very tough to trade, but not impossible. Because there are so many salaries being swapped in this deal, and the CBA gives each team a 15 percent cushion for salaries to match, the Suns would be able to absorb the fact that they can take back only $5.5 million of Marion's $11 million salary this year.


Johnson's firing continues talk of a trend toward the mass destruction of coaches in the league. An unprecedented 11 teams opened the 2003-04 season with a new head coach. Three have already been fired and several more -- Nate McMillan, Byron Scott and to a lesser extent, Don Chaney and Jim O'Brien -- look like they're on the hot seat.
Last Thursday, Insider pointed the finger at the Collective Bargaining Agreement. The lethal combination of a hard cap, luxury tax and guaranteed contracts leave GMs with few options when their teams go south.

Since we wrote the piece last week, several GMs have commented to Insider that they believe that NBA commish David Stern is going to push very hard to reduce the number of years a contract can be guaranteed for.

"Right now it's seven and frankly, that's just too long," one GM said. "If a guy is 28 years old and in his prime when he signs it, he's 35 years old and probably way out of his prime when he's making the most money. With a hard cap and the luxury tax, that just kills a team."

The plan, according to several GMs, will be to reduce the number of guaranteed years to five if a team is re-signing its own free agent. If a team is signing another team's free agent, the number would go down to four.

Ideally, teams would love to implement the NFL's system that does away with guaranteed contracts all together. But with the CBA set to expire at the end of next season (the NBA picked up its option to extend the CBA for 2004-05 on Monday), the league knows that insisting on doing away with guarantees altogether would lead to a protracted labor war -- something neither side wants.
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Peep Show
By Terry Brown
NBA Insider
Thursday, December 11
Updated: December 11
9:14 AM ET




PippenChicago Bulls: Say it isn't so, Scottie. "I've questioned myself whether I can play another year -- or this year," Pippen said in the Chicago Tribune. "I just have to wait and see." Pippen has already missed the team's last three games and a total of eight on the season after his left knee continued to swell following off season surgery. "We're not making the progress that we'd like to think we would be making," trainer Fred Tedeschi said. "We're still having problems with swelling and investigating where we need to go from here."
Los Angeles Lakers: The old Kobe Bryant is back, Or at least he says he will be around late December."Right now, I'm starting to round back into shape," Bryant said in the LA Daily News. "The last practice we had, we kind of got up and down the floor, my legs felt pretty good, just running around, my speed was coming back, my hops were coming back." Bryant has used the Lakers soft schedule to finish rehabilitation on his surgically repaired knee and get his body back into shape after an off season of personal problems. "It's just a little bit of an inconsistency," head coach Phil Jackson said. "I think he knows he's going to come along, and I think he's patient. We want to see him take a better selection of shots, too."

Boston Celtics: Antoine Walker may be gone but he's still haunting the man who traded him away from Boston. "I've always known how fans are," says the Celtics' executive director of basketball operations Danny Ainge in the Boston Globe. "And I even anticipated player agents, coaches, and owners to be a little bit that way. Coaches live in the moment through their players. Our owners are new, but they are experienced business people. I know that if you haven't been through this you look at this thing as if you're on a daily roller coaster." Ainge contends that with Walker, the Celtics could go no further despite reaching the conference finals and fans don't realize that. "I thought Jim O'Brien did a masterful job that season," Ainge maintains. "Even with Rodney Rogers and Kenny Anderson, that team severely overachieved. In my mind, that was not a team that was built to be a true contender. It wasn't like you'd say, `All we have to do is keep this team together and we'll be there, year in and year out.' And last year's team also overachieved."

Houston Rockets: Eddie Griffin has a multi-million dollar contract in the NBA, an upcoming trial for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and, now, a judge ordered curfew with random drug testing. "He's doing very well, and he's ready to get this behind him," said his attorney, Derek Hollingsworth, in the Houston Chronicle. "There's always two sides to every story, and we're anxious to get our side out at trial." The prosecution's side stems from an incident involving two women, a fired gun and police. Griffin, who has undergone substance abuse treatment, can be put in jail for two to 20 years if found guilty.

Miami Heat: Caron Butler may be exhausted from playing 37 minutes in his last game after an extended stay on injured reserve, but that doesn't mean he's lost his sense of humor. "I'm so hurt I think I'm done for the season," Butler joked to the Palm Beach Post. And now he's ready to get on the court with his new teammates Dwyane Wade and Lamar Odom. "I was so open at times it shocked me," Butler said. "Last year you were used to having a defender right in front of you, and playing with such great players now you're in a situation where you catch the ball and you're like, 'Whoa.' You've got time to actually think about the shot."




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boy is this guy dumb or what? wallace will never be seen in a pheonix uni. there is no quicker way out of pheonix or to insure that you will never play here then to get busted for drugs. drugs almost destoryed this team in the 80's. look at cliff robinson. got busted for drugs and was out of town so fast and for such waste of talent that we almost gave him away. the jailblazers can keep their trash i would rather be in the lotery then have that type of players here.
 

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I don't mind exploring possibilities for Sheed, but to come up with that big of a blockbuster--man, who's smoking weed now?
 

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but we could at least get rid of a few millions in trading away hardaway and letting wallace go( or resign wallace cheap) and have a few bucks extra for, say mid level exeption.
andereson had quite a nice season with san antonio back then and woods was on the list of many of us when he was in the draft
 

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Depending on how Marion's contributions continue(or don't), this team could be better off just making the deal, letting Wallace go in the offseason, and then signing or trading for a very solid role-playing small forward.
 

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I agree with Chap. There isn't a snowball's chance in hell of that trade or anything like it happening this season. The Suns are not going to trade for Wallace and Woods right now, and they aren't going to trade away Shawn Marion when they've talked about building around this core for a full year.

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I don't believe that the Suns traded Kidd for his character issues.

The Suns have given players second chances before that already.

I kinda like the potential that Qyntel Woods has.

Rasheed Wallace and Dale Davis would free up more than 26M$ next offseason.


Portland sends 35M$ salaries to Phoenix and we ship out about 37M$.
So the Suns would save money already and if they can resign Wallace to a contract that's worth 10M$ per year or cheaper and Davis for about 3-4M$.

That would basically be what they would get through Gugliotta's expiring contract.


Derek Anderson seems injury prone and his contract is longer than Penny's and that tells me that this deal isn't good enough for us since we are giving up a player of the same caliber that doesn't have any character problems, has more potential and is a lot younger.

Marion, Penny for Wallace, Woods and McInnis on the other hand...

Wallace, Stoudemire and Cabarkapa would be a terrific frontcourt trio in my opinion.
Wallace is a good perimeter player, passer, defender.. Pretty much a better version of Cliff Robinson.
 

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Originally posted by Joe Mama
I agree with Chap. There isn't a snowball's chance in hell of that trade or anything like it happening this season. The Suns are not going to trade for Wallace and Woods right now, and they aren't going to trade away Shawn Marion when they've talked about building around this core for a full year.

Joe Mama

JC has even said if they don't turn it around he will break up the core. Marbury will stay and so will Amare.
 

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But why trade Marion? Just because he had a slow start?

What would be better?

Wallace
Amare
Zarko
Marion
Barbosa/Johnson

or

Wallace
Amare
Zarko
Johnson
Marbury

or

White
Amare
Zarko
Marion
Marbury

+ a real coach? and suffer through the injuries and maybe grab another diamond in the draft?
 

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Originally posted by Joe Mama
I agree with Chap. There isn't a snowball's chance in hell of that trade or anything like it happening this season. The Suns are not going to trade for Wallace and Woods right now, and they aren't going to trade away Shawn Marion when they've talked about building around this core for a full year.

Joe Mama

While I completely agree with you Joe, the other Insider article on the suns suggested that the core may have to be broken up.

Of course it is purely speculation, however if D'Antoni doesn't fix things, it is concievable.

However, Rasheed Wallace will not wear a suns uni, that is for sure.
 

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I don't know. I think the C's would think hard about that one.

You trade Marion for Wallace. Wallace has a shorter contract so less commitment in the future.

You get out of Penny's contract. The Suns would send Googs and Penny away for zilch in a NY second.

There would be some real positive financial aspects to this.
 

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Only if they let Wallace go for nothing in which case this trade sucks for the Suns talent wise and wouldn't give them near enough money for a big time free agent.

Derek Anderson's contract is as bad as Penny's and he isn't really better or less injury prone.
 

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This guy obviously knows nothing about Jerry.

Jerry wouldn't trade for Wallace even if the Suns lost 50.
 

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Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves.

1. We don't know yet if Zarko is the second coming of Dirk Nowinski (spelling). If he is, then yet Marion is expendible. If not, then the Suns will look like idiots.

2. We don't know how marketable Marion is. He had a slow start, but his numbers have been picking up. Trading him when his overall numbers are crappy is not the best marketing ploy.

3. We can always trade Googs for someone that a team is trying to unload because of a bad contract. So what?

4. The Suns would have to pay an opponent to accept Penny's contract. He may be worth $3-4 million a year, but not $15 million.
 

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With the core of Amare and Marbury set, Marion, a star complementary player who can't create his own shot, is just a bad fit, whether or not Zarko pans out to be the second coming of Dirk. So, the main problem with that ESPN proposal for the Suns is how bad Anderson's contract is. I think the Suns are better off with this trade.

Alternatively, we could swap Marion and Googs for Rasheed and Woods, using Utah as mediator to get around the base year salary problem. When Sheed's contract expires this season, we'll just make a competitive bid say 11 mil a year. If we lose him without compensation, we still have Zarko and Woods as great prospects and could sign a Harpring with the mid-exception.

Actually, I think the lineup Amare-Sheed-Zarko( or White)-Penny-Steph with Sheed and Steph as the #1 and #2 scoring options, while having Amare concentrate on rebounding and defense, might be better for Amare's development as a complete player while the Suns have better chance to get more wins in this arrangement.
 

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Three-way trade proposal:

Blazers get Marion and Clark, sending Wallace+ Woods + pick
Utah gets Googs + cash + a 2nd rounder, sending Clark
Suns get Wallace and Woods, sending Marion + Googs
 

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"Blazers get Marion and Clark, sending Wallace+ Woods + pick
Utah gets Googs + cash + a 2nd rounder, sending Clark
Suns get Wallace and Woods, sending Marion + Googs"

Why does Utah do this? They would have to get a heck of lot more than that to be even slightly interested in helping two other
Western conference teams become more competative.
 

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Originally posted by George O'Brien
"Blazers get Marion and Clark, sending Wallace+ Woods + pick
Utah gets Googs + cash + a 2nd rounder, sending Clark
Suns get Wallace and Woods, sending Marion + Googs"

Why does Utah do this? They would have to get a heck of lot more than that to be even slightly interested in helping two other
Western conference teams become more competative.

Ok, give Utah JJ for a 1st round from Blazers, or something in that direction. Utah ultimately needs to add more salaries to meet the min. salary requirement of the league anyway.
 

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Originally posted by cly2tw
Ok, give Utah JJ for a 1st round from Blazers, or something in that direction. Utah ultimately needs to add more salaries to meet the min. salary requirement of the league anyway.

They have already met the min requrements for the season. They will have a big option in the off season again, and with the team's success, more players might be willing to sign there.
 

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Originally posted by thegrahamcrackr
They have already met the min requrements for the season. They will have a big option in the off season again, and with the team's success, more players might be willing to sign there.

How many top level, white, Mormon, free agents are gonna be available next summer?
 
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