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Can the Bobcats save the NBA?
By Chad Ford
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Updated: November 7
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We may be 360 days away from the Charlotte Bobcats first real game in the NBA. But for the 29 existing NBA teams, there is an intense interest, bordering on obsession, with the league's 30th franchise.

At a time of year when teams are already dispatching armies of scouts in search of the next great draft prospect, the Bobcats' scouts aren't just hanging around college campuses and international arenas.

Charlotte GM Bernie Bickerstaff and the rest of his scouts are coming to an arena near you. Their goal? Find the perfect player to pluck off another team's squad during the 2004 NBA Expansion Draft.

The Expansion Draft, which will take place sometime between the end of the NBA Finals and the 2004 NBA Draft, allows the Bobcats to select players from existing NBA teams.

While the league is still finalizing all the rules of the expansion draft (teams expect an official memo from the league to come sometime this month) many of the rules are already in the collective bargaining agreement. Insider has talked to league and team sources to get a handle on what is likely to take place on expansion draft night. Things are always subject to change and interpretation, but at this point the process is shaping up to be rather intriguing.

To start with, teams will be allowed to protect eight players. If they have fewer than eight players under contract, they will have to leave at least one player unprotected.

The prospect of losing a critical player in the expansion draft has some teams wringing their hands. Teams with a deep reserve of young players -- like the Grizzlies, Pacers and Bucks -- are in danger of losing a prospect they'd prefer to keep around.

The Bobcats are allowed to select a maximum of one player from each team. They must select a minimum of 14 players overall and can take a maximum of 29.

To many GMs, the expansion draft is a very rare opportunity. The Bobcats eventually are projected to have a salary cap of $29.7 million next season (two-thirds of an estimated $45 million cap), but they won't be bound by that number during the expansion draft. The Bobcats will be free to select as many contracts as they like. If new owner Bob Johnson wants to draft $50 million in salaries, the league will let him.

Combine that with a little-known rule in the collective bargaining agreement that allows expansion teams to get salaries off their cap early by waiving players selected in the expansion draft before the first day of the regular season, and many GMs believe that a large, one-time loophole has been blown through the league's strict cap rules.

For you hardcore fans out there, here's the rule:


The Salary of any player selected by an Expansion Team in an expansion draft and terminated in accordance with the NBA waiver procedure before the first day of the Expansion Team's first Season shall not be included in the Expansion Team's Team Salary, except, to the extent such Salary is paid, for purposes of determining whether the Expansion Team has satisfied its Minimum Team Salary obligation for such Season. (Article VII, Section 4)



There is no question teams will try to capitalize on this obscure provision. The Wizards, for example, could offer their first-round pick in the regular draft and $3 million (the maximum allowed by the collective bargaining agreement) to the Bobcats in exchange for Charlotte selecting someone like Christian Laettner in the expansion draft.

The move would take Laettner's $6.2 million salary for next season off the books in Washington, giving the Wizards roughly $10 million in cap room for Ernie Grunfeld to use in free agency. The Bobcats then could waive Laettner and preserve all of their cap space for free agency (though Johnson would still be on the hook to pay Laettner's salary minus the cash he gets from Washington).

Is cap room really worth cash and a pick?

"Absolutely," one Eastern Conference GM told Insider. "A pick, a player and $3 million in cash for $5- or $6 million or more in cap room? That's priceless. Ed Tapscott will be fielding a ton of offers the next few months."

In essence, now that the regular season has begun, the Bobcats suddenly are holding all of the leverage. So far, executive vice president Ed Tapscott and Bickerstaff aren't showing their hand.

There are numerous ways a team can go in an expansion draft. Most of it depends on what Johnson is willing to spend.

The All-Star Approach

If Johnson wants to be a Mark Cuban-type owner, the Bobcats could select from a plethora of stars who are expected to be left unprotected. Most teams leave players with huge contracts unprotected thinking an expansion team won't want to spend all its cash at once.

However, if Johnson felt the urge to blow $50 or $60 million from the get go and put a competitive team on the floor,he'll have the opportunity. An Insider analysis of each team's roster and the eight players each would likely protect left a potential draft pool with players like this: Antawn Jamison, Bonzi Wells, Tim Thomas, Brian Grant, Eddie Jones, Penny Hardaway, James Posey, Raef LaFrentz, Marcus Camby, Grant Hill and Jerome James.

Drafting an all-star team is the most unlikely scenario. Teams leave players like this unprotected because they believe a new team wouldn't want the burdens of expensive, long-term contracts. Besides, the general feeling around the league is that Johnson is much more conservative with his money than guys like Mark Cuban and Paul Allen. They don't expect him to break the bank to field a competitive team out of the gate.

New GM Bernie Bickerstaff insinuated the same thing on Wednesday. "We want to build through the draft and go young," Bickerstaff said. "It's a marathon. We won't be pressured. We hope to get guys who will become big names. ... We want young, hungry competitive guys who want to prove what they can do in the NBA. We will give them the chance to show the world what they can do. "

The Less is More Philosophy

The opposite (and more likely) scenario, according to some league execs, is for the Bobcats to actually take no salaries back in return. How do they do that?

While unrestricted free agents aren't eligible for the draft (they're essentially ignored, because teams don't have to protect them, and the Bobcats can't select them), restricted free agents can be drafted. However, if they're picked, restricted free agents immediately become unrestricted. While the Bobcats would still retain Bird Rights to the player (the ability to exceed the salary cap to re-sign a player with three or more years in the league), they would not have the matching rights that accompany restricted free agents.

Theoretically, the Bobcats could draft a team of: Chris Mihm, Jamison Brewer, Bobby Simmons, Jannero Pargo, Joel Przybilla, Trenton Hassell, Tamar Slay, Britton Johnsen, Robert Archibald, Josh Moore, Mike Wilks, James Lang, Richie Frahm and Steve Blake, waive all of them, and pay virtually nothing.

That approach gives the Bobcats their full cap of $29 million (minus a $6.38 million in cap holds for the fourth pick in the draft and 10 other minimum roster spots) to work with in the free-agent market.

For all of you Kobe-to-Charlotte fans out there, this is the scenario where the Bobcats could, theoretically, offer Kobe a max deal to bolt L.A. and head back to Charlotte, where he was drafted seven season to go.

The problem with this scenario, however, is well known in places like Denver and Salt Lake. Top free agents usually balk at signing with teams that don't have a chance to compete. The odds of Kobe or any other top-flight free-agent signing on in Charlotte are slim. That's why another approach may be warranted.

Let's Make a Deal

What teams are hoping is that the Bobcats take the middle road. There are as many as eight teams with a player the Bobcats might realistically consider taking if offered compensation in the form of a draft pick and cash.

Mock Expansion Draft
1. Chucky Atkins
2. Christian Laettner
3. Bo Outlaw
4. Tony Battie
5. Jahidi White
6. Eddie Robinson
7. Cliff Robinson
8. Bruce Bowen
9. Jannero Pargo
10. Mo Williams
11. Tamar Slay
12. Britton Johnsen
13. Trenton Hassell
14. Chris Mihm

Here's a hypothetical scenario (see table on right) of how things could pan out if the Bobcats decide that stockpiling first-round picks in the regular draft is the way to build the franchise.

The first eight players on this list each would be part of larger deals that should, in each instance, land the Bobcats a future first-round pick and $3 million in cash.

The Bobcats would assume a total of $46.2 million in 2004 salaries and $16.9 million for 2005. But they would receive $24 million in cash to offset the $46.2 million. Because of the rules governing expansion teams, the Bobcats could then turn around and waive all eight players and suffer no cap hit. Combine that with the last six players, all of whom have no guaranteed money due in 2004, and the Bobcats could walk away with eight extra first-round picks and all of their cap room. The cost? Johnson would have to be willing to write a check for $30 million.

That's a pretty serious bargain. Would the Pistons, Wizards, Grizzlies, Celtics, Suns, Bulls, Warriors and Spurs be willing to send cash and picks the Bobcats' way?

Probably. The move is a slam dunk for the Pistons, Wizards and Spurs. The Pistons are trying to get far enough under the cap to either re-sign Mehmet Okur or to make a major play in the free-agent market. If they can move Atkins, the Pistons will be looking at $10 million in cap space next summer. Ditto for the Wizards. They cleared about $5.9 million by moving Jahidi White to the Suns on Wednesday. If they can get Laettner off the books as well, the team is looking at $10 to $11 million in room.

The Spurs have the biggest incentive. San Antonio could theoretically clear around $15 million in cap room if they waived their free agents and got the Bobcats to take Bowen. That would give them enough to make a serious run at Kobe.

The other teams wouldn't experience such dramatic effects, but trading a pick and cash for the cap room still makes sense. The Grizzlies, by losing Outlaw, could get around $6 million under the cap. The Warriors could get nearly $7 million under by convincing the Bobcats to take Robinson. The Suns can move out of luxury-tax land if the Bobcats would take White off their hands. The Celtics could get more luxury-tax breathing room to sign a free agent with their mid-level exception. And the Bulls would get more room re-sign their own free agents.

This is just the tip of the iceberg. There also will be scenarios where a team might give the Bobcats a pick or cash not to select a player the team was forced to leave unprotected.

Anyway you slice it, for the next eight months the Bobcats are in an enviable position. With a clean cap, an escalating cap (two-thirds this season, three-fourths in 2005, a full cap in 2006) the potential to horde a massive amount of first-round picks, a good first-round pick this season and no restrictions on how high they can pick in 2005, the Bobcats have a luxury that none of the other 29 teams in the league have ever had -- the ability to build a team from scratch under the new rules of the collective bargaining agreement.

Teams are still suffering from bad deals they made before the new CBA kicked in. Can the Bobcats learn from their mistakes and help out a few other franchises along the way? We'll have to wait seven months to find out.
 
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Sorry to steal your thunder sunsfan, but I woke up at 12:30 and it wasn't posted yet.

This is one of the most interesting articles I have read about basketball in a long while.

I was to young during the last expansion draft to really appreciate what was going on, but it looks like we could have a crazy summer.



That waving rule is insane. How would you like to be the bobcats GM (just for the summer of course)
 

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Very interesting article, although Ford lost me when he started talking about players they could trade for. It's like throwing a bunch of names into a hat and drawing them out. "Pick #1--Chucky Atkins! Woohoo!"

Besides, who are we going to protect?

Marbury
Marion
Amare
Zarko
Jake
JJ
Barbosa
Casey??

If Casey doesn't work out this season and we decide not to protect him, would that mean White might be the 8th protected man?
 
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I think he was naming players certain teams would really want off of their cap. I am assuming the list was based on the trading scenario he laid out.

Unless White is amazing this year, I have a feeling they will protect Casey.

However, with that trading deal he talked about, we might find a pool of decent big men, who in theory might be waived, and free of their large contracts.
 

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Originally posted by thegrahamcrackr
I think he was naming players certain teams would really want off of their cap. I am assuming the list was based on the trading scenario he laid out.

Unless White is amazing this year, I have a feeling they will protect Casey.

However, with that trading deal he talked about, we might find a pool of decent big men, who in theory might be waived, and free of their large contracts.

Well, call me crazy, but I would think the Suns would want Penny off their cap a lot more than White, right?
 
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Well yah, but realistically that won't happen, unless we give a lot to the bobcats.

I thought the minimum salary was larger then 30 million, but apparently I was wrong. I dont see why charlotte would tie up half of their required salary to a player unless they were given some extras in return.
 

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I dont see why charlotte would tie up half of their required salary to a player unless they were given some extras in return.

I thought the point of the article was that the Bobcats could subsequently waive Hardaway, and just keep whatever "goodies" the Suns paid in order to get rid of him.

Besides, who are we going to protect?

Marbury
Marion
Amare
Zarko
Jake
JJ
Barbosa
Casey??


It's kind of sad that the Suns have only seven players on their roster that they have any interest in keeping. Oh, but I forgot: Jacobsen is the second-best defender on the team, so that means he's a lock. :rolleyes:
 

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It seems strange to me that you can trade things to a team in exchange for an agreement to draft your player. Can you do that in the rookie draft? Could the Suns have, say, traded a future first in exchange for an agreement by the Lakers to have not drafted Kareem Rush?
 

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They can waive Penny Hardaway after taking him in the expansion draft, but my understanding is they still have to pay his salary or negotiated a buyout. It's not like Hardaway can just get screwed out of his money because he wasn't fortunate enough to get taken in the expansion draft. And the Phoenix Suns could only pay $3 million of the roughly $30 million that would be left on his contract.

I would think the Suns would have to send an awful lot of goodies to get the bobcats to take Penny Hardaway with his contract.

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Originally posted by elindholm
It's kind of sad that the Suns have only seven players on their roster that they have any interest in keeping. Oh, but I forgot: Jacobsen is the second-best defender on the team, so that means he's a lock. :rolleyes:

Dunno how sad it is. How many players do you think the World Champion Spurs are planning on protecting?


For some real fun, try and figure out how many players this team will keep:

http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/houston.htm

I'm having a tough time trying to find keeper #6, and I think I'm being fairly generous...
 

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I can see making a case for Kelvin Cato, but not Mo Taylor (no knees) or Moochie (no hair). Check out those salaries, too. :eek:

I believe the Rockets couldn't keep Eddie Griffen if they wanted to--they failed to guarantee his fourth year already, so he'll be an UFA at the end of the year.
 
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Originally posted by Joe Mama
They can waive Penny Hardaway after taking him in the expansion draft, but my understanding is they still have to pay his salary or negotiated a buyout. It's not like Hardaway can just get screwed out of his money because he wasn't fortunate enough to get taken in the expansion draft. And the Phoenix Suns could only pay $3 million of the roughly $30 million that would be left on his contract.

I would think the Suns would have to send an awful lot of goodies to get the bobcats to take Penny Hardaway with his contract.

Joe Mama

Exactly my point.

About the agrrement for a team not to take a player:

I think it is more in principal. You can give a team whatever you want, with nothing in return, as long as they are under the salary cap. As far as I understand, it would be a verbal agreement, and not in any contract. There are only 30 GMs in this league, so you definetly do not want to be known as the one that screwed another team in the expansion draft, so I would assume the verbal agreement is all these teams would need.


About your question with the rookie draft. We wouldn't have been able to do anything about the lakers taking Kareem rush, since we can not just give them salary without taking some in return. However, in theory we could have done something similar if the lakers were under the cap.

The way it would have been done for the Laker trade (well actually it was torontos pick right?) was we would have had to trade our 1st and something else for their first. Moving up in the draft is the same idea as getting a team to not take someone.
 

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Originally posted by thegrahamcrackr

Let's Make a Deal

What teams are hoping is that the Bobcats take the middle road. There are as many as eight teams with a player the Bobcats might realistically consider taking if offered compensation in the form of a draft pick and cash.

Mock Expansion Draft
1. Chucky Atkins
2. Christian Laettner
3. Bo Outlaw
4. Tony Battie
5. Jahidi White
6. Eddie Robinson
7. Cliff Robinson
8. Bruce Bowen
9. Jannero Pargo
10. Mo Williams
11. Tamar Slay
12. Britton Johnsen
13. Trenton Hassell
14. Chris Mihm

Here's a hypothetical scenario (see table on right) of how things could pan out if the Bobcats decide that stockpiling first-round picks in the regular draft is the way to build the franchise.

The first eight players on this list each would be part of larger deals that should, in each instance, land the Bobcats a future first-round pick and $3 million in cash.

I realize this is just speculation, but there will be a lot of Suns fans up in arms if the Suns give away a first and cash to take Jahidi White off their hands. Especially since that salary was gone before the Brevin Knight trade. He better give them enough this year to warrant either protection, or being taken in expansion without compensation, or this will go down as a horrible trade for Phoenix.
 

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I realize this is just speculation, but there will be a lot of Suns fans up in arms if the Suns give away a first and cash to take Jahidi White off their hands. Especially since that salary was gone before the Brevin Knight trade.

Good point. But was that article written before or after the trade bringing White to Phoenix?
 

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He mentions Phoenix just underneath that portion of the article. I doubt the Suns would do it, but if he's a complete bust, and they feel there's a free agent that can help them, they might do it.
 
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After.

You seemed to ignore the "part of larger deals"

There are to many factors as this point to really come up with something. Like I said earlier, if the Bobcats took a big man the suns liked better than white and waived him, that could tempt BC into pulling a deal similar to this.


Also, there is a chance the suns will have 2 first rounders next year if cleavlan makes the playoffs. Quite frankly, we do not have enough roster spots or money to pay another 2 guanteed 3 year contracts for rookies.

So trading white and the later of the picks (I am going to assume #20 for now) would actually clean a good amount of room. Almost 7 million for the first year I believe, plus whatever the rookie salary would be for the following 2.
 
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