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Where will Doc Rivers resurface?
By Chad Ford
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Send an Email to Chad Ford Tuesday, November 18
Updated: November 18
3:01 PM ET


Doc Rivers was kicked to the curb early Tuesday morning after the Magic suffered their 10th consecutive loss. The team named Rivers' assistant, Johnny Davis, as the interim head coach.

"It's happened, and I'm helping Johnny get ready to take over," Rivers told the Orlando Sentinel.

The move comes as no big surprise. The Magic have quietly been descending into lottery hell all season. The losses were taking their toll, but it was the defection of the team's most important player, Tracy McGrady, that was the final straw for Rivers.

On Friday, Insider reported that McGrady and Rivers were feuding and McGrady was quietly pushing for the team to make the move. That left Magic COO John Weisbrod and GM John Gabriel with very little wiggle room.


There's no question Doc Rivers will coach again, but where?
Rivers is a popular figure in Orlando, but sources claim he had lost most of the players in the locker room.

According to one Eastern Conference GM, Rivers' firing shouldn't come as a surprise. "I've always felt that a coach has a shelf life of three or four years unless he's winning championships," the GM told Insider. "The motivational tatics that work on players in the beginning grow old with time. If players aren't seeing the results on the floor, they quit responding. It happens with every coach, even the good ones."

Rivers had just begun his fifth season coaching the Magic.

On Monday, GMs around the league were already speculating on where Rivers would land next.

"I think he's a great coach," one GM said. "Doc will have a job as soon as he's ready for one."

Rivers hasn't said whether he's ready to take a job now or if he'll wait until the summer to look for work. Most top head coaches shy away from taking over a team once the season begins, because it takes them too long to install their new system.

However, you can expect several big name teams to seriously consider making a pitch to Rivers now. Insider conducted an informal poll of eight GMs and two assistant GMs on Monday afternoon.

Five believed Rivers would be the next head coach of the Knicks. Three believed he'd take over the Bulls. And two thought the Hawks, now under new management, would be his destination. None of the 10 polled thought Rivers would wait until the summer before returning to the bench.

Of course, all three teams mentioned have head coaches under contract. But with all three stumbling out of the gates, the possibility of a coaching change or two certainly isn't far-fetched.

Insider breaks down the top contenders for Rivers' services:

New York Knicks: They're off to a 3-7 start under head coach Don Chaney, but GM Scott Layden told reporters on Thursday that he was Chaney's "biggest fan." Many NBA observers believe this is where Doc has always wanted to coach.

Rivers spent two and a half seasons in New York as a player and has an affection for the city and the national spotlight the Knicks provide. The problem is, Rivers probably doesn't want to step out of one bad situation and into another. The Knicks have less cap flexibility than the Magic and have been slow to make any dramatic changes to their roster.

If Antonio McDyess is healthy and Layden can find a way to pry Jamal Crawford away from the Bulls (see below), perhaps Rivers would consider. But short of some serious talent upgrades, it's hard to believe Rivers would want a team with too many over-priced veterans and not enough young talent.

Chicago Bulls: The Bulls offer Rivers his best shot of winning. The team is loaded with talent, has plenty of assets and is underachieving at the moment. Rivers always has yearned to have more than just one superstar on his roster. In Chicago he'd have three potential ones.

To make things even more interesting, remember that Rivers is an Illinois native. He played high school ball at Proviso East High in Maywood.

Don't count out the glory factor, either. Whoever gets the Bulls to the playoffs after the five-season drought will be a hero in Chicago. The Bulls have the raw pieces, they just need someone to put them together.

Coach Bill Cartwright has done an admirable job, but he's had an uneasy relationship with several of his younger players. New GM John Paxson probably doesn't want to fire Cartwright, but the opportunity to get a name coach like Rivers might be too good to pass up. Paxson has made it clear the Bulls need to make the playoffs this year. You've got to believe Rivers gives them a great shot.

Atlanta Hawks: Now that the Hawks have new ownership and will soon have new management, this may be the perfect time to get in on the ground floor of a rebuilding situation headed in the right direction.

This may be one of the few spots in the NBA where Rivers could hold both the GM and head coaching jobs. He often clashed in Orlando with Gabriel and made no secret about his desire to call the shots on the talent the team should acquire.

The Hawks aren't any good right now, but they do have a few young building blocks with Jason Terry, Shareef Abdur-Rahim and Boris Diaw. The team also has enough other assets to make some moves to bring in the personnel Rivers might want.

The Hawks aren't the sexiest destination for Rivers, but he spent eight years in Atlanta as a player and professes a great loyalty to the franchise. Hiring Rivers is exactly what the Hawks need to begin energizing one of the smallest fan bases in the NBA.

His team won't win right away, but with a few good moves in trades, Rivers would have the chance to turn around a moribund franchise.

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The firing of Doc Rivers may just be the first of several moves made by Magic COO John Weisbrod to stop the bleeding in Orlando.
"We had become increasingly concerned that this team was not about to right itself and get back on track," Weisbrod said. "There was a culture of losing developing that was very concerning and felt now was the time to make a move."

"We don't want to develop a culture of losing around here. And we don't want to play 50 or so meaningless games down the stretch this season. I just thought the earlier we did this the sooner we could start to change the course of this season."

For now Johnny Davis will be the head coach. According to Weisbrod, "We felt strongly that he's the right man for this job." That should end, at least for the moment, speculation that Scott Skiles or Isiah Thomas may be coming to the rescue in Orlando. If the Magic continue to lose, however, Weisbrod may bring in a new GM to start looking for a new head coach.

That's why GM John Gabriel is probably the next guy with his head on the chopping block. Gabriel said in a statement Tuesday that "With this move there is no less work or responsibility in store for any of us. We will continue to do everything possible to make this team better."

The problem is that the Magic don't have a lot of wiggle room to make the changes they feel are necessary. The team needs help at the point and in the middle. Right now, the team's first-round pick, Reece Gaines, looks years away from helping the Magic. The experiment of playing Juwan Howard at center isn't working. Moving Drew Gooden to small forward also hasn't worked. With sharp shooter Pat Garrity out for an extended period with an injury, the Magic are short handed, making it tough to make a meaningful trade.

There's been talk that the Magic have shown interest in players such as Brent Barry, Jerome James, Jamal Crawford, Jamaal Tinsley and Zydrunas Ilgauskas. However, it doesn't appear that the Magic have the juice to get any of the deals done.

The problem the Magic continue to run into is that their first-round draft picks have failed to develop. Over the past four drafts, the Magic have taken Gaines, Ryan Humphrey, Steven Hunter, Jeryl Sasser and Mike Miller. The Magic were able to parlay Miller and Humphrey into Gooden and Gircek, but the failure of players like Hunter and Sasser to pay any dividends explains why the team doesn't have a real starting point guard or center right now.

Gabriel's failure in the draft (though some say Rivers was as much or more to blame for these picks) may come back to haunt him. The Magic just don't have enough assets to get the type of player they need in return. They're not trading McGrady, and after him, their best asset is probably Giricek (he's in the last year of his deal) or Gooden -- two guys they really don't want to trade.

Gabriel's still considered one of the better GMs in the league and his history with the franchise makes him tough to fire. A new GM won't be able to fix this overnight, but a fresh set of eyes may be more willing to shake things up.
Does Knicks GM Scott Layden really want to make the Knicks attractive to a coach like Doc Rivers? Then he should quit fooling around with his unrealistic offers for Crawford and Ilgauskas and work out something with the Bulls and Cavs.

Clearly, Crawford is available and the Bulls have shown interest in some of the Knicks players. What if the Knicks have to give up a first-round pick to acquire Crawford? So what. He's the type of young, energetic guard they've been looking for.

Several deals make sense for the Bulls. Of course, Bulls GM John Paxson is going to want to pawn off one or two bad salaries on New York. A trade of Crawford and Eddie Robinson for Charlie Ward, Othella Harrington, the rights to second-round pick Milos Vujanic and a Knicks No. 1 pick works. The Bulls get some cap wiggle room (they can even waive Ward by Jan. 10 and get $4 million off the cap now) and the Knicks get two young players for little in return.

A suggestion on Monday by the Chicago Tribune's Sam Smith that the Knicks trade Ward, Harrington and Antonio McDyess for Crawford, Robinson and Jalen Rose works for the Bulls, but doesn't get it done for the Knicks. If the Bulls made that move, they could be looking at roughly $15 million in cap room next summer. However, if you're Layden, I'm not sure what you do with Crawford, Rose, Robinson, Allan Houston, Keith Van Horn and Shandon Anderson. The move doesn't address the Knicks' needs at power forward and center and crams their backcourt with too many guys who need the ball. Besides, the Bulls have already learned that it's suicide defensively to put Crawford and Rose together in the same backcourt.

The Knicks have also shown interest in Ilgauskas. The Cavs are trying to get more cap room for next summer and getting Ilgauskas' $14.5 million off the books would put them roughly at $18 million under next summer.

What would it cost the Knicks? Antonio McDyess. Regardless of whether McDyess is healthy, his contract comes off the books next summer. If he is really ready to play, he gives the Cavs an athletic scorer and defender in the post who could propel them into the playoffs. If he plays well and appears healthy, the Cavs will own his Bird rights and could re-sign him. If he continues to struggle with injuries, the Cavs can let him go and spend their money elsewhere.

The addition of Ilgauskas, Crawford and Rivers should be enough to push the Knicks in the playoffs. Could Layden pull it off?
What's up with Jamaal Tinsley's lack of playing time in Indiana? He went from starter last season to playing in just three games and 13.3 minutes this year.

"We've never been in a situation before we're we've had other viable options," Pacers president Donnie Walsh told Insider. "I think Rick prefers to go with experience."

Tinsley's benching has led to rampant speculation that the Pacers are trying to move him. Walsh claims the rumors are bogus.

"I think you get other GMs speculating that because of the situation," he said. "Obviously anyone is tradable for the right price, but I don't think we have any intention of moving Tinsley. We haven't given up on him."
How desperate are the Heat to get out from under Eddie Jones' contract? Several GMs told Insider on Monday that the Heat were trying to package Caron Butler along with Jones. That comes as a major surprise considering Butler's stellar rookie season with the Heat.
Will it be enough to get a team to swallow the four years and $55.8 million remaining on Jones' contract? Maybe.

"It's tempting," one GM told Insider. "I think everyone likes Butler a lot. You have to ask yourself, is getting the rights to Butler worth $55 million over the next four years."

Would the Blazers do that deal for Rasheed Wallace? Wallace would give the Heat another big and a ton of cap room next summer. For Portland, Butler would be a nice young replacement for Wallace at small forward and the addition of Jones would free the Blazers up to move Bonzi Wells to a team like the Raptors for cap space in return.
Speaking of Wells it looks like he's in more trouble in Portland. Wells got into a verbal spat with coach Mo Cheeks during Monday night's game and never made it back off the bench.
"There is friction. You can write it," Cheeks told the Oregonian. "That incident happened and we have to deal with it. I don't have a concern with it. I'm going to deal with it, and then I'm going to put it aside."

Cheeks used Qyntel Woods in place of Wells. "Whatever Bonzi said made Cheeks mad," said Woods. "I don't know what it was or how it happened. I didn't see it. I don't know. It meant more playing time for me, but it also hurt the team. We need Bonzi on the floor to win. If winning keeps me on the bench, I can deal with that, but . . . "
 
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If they so desperatly want to get rid of jones:

Phoenix trades:
SG Casey Jacobsen (4.8 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 0.5 apg in 14.5 minutes)
PF Tom Gugliotta (2.5 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 0.5 apg in 10.0 minutes)

Phoenix receives:
SF Caron Butler (5.6 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 1.0 apg in 26.6 minutes)
SG Eddie Jones (21.0 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 1.8 apg in 37.0 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +19.3 ppg, +4.1 rpg, and +1.8 apg.

Miami trades:
SF Caron Butler (5.6 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 1.0 apg in 26.6 minutes)
SG Eddie Jones (21.0 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 1.8 apg in 37.0 minutes)

Miami receives:
SG Casey Jacobsen (4.8 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 0.5 apg in 8 games)
PF Tom Gugliotta (2.5 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 0.5 apg in 6 games)
Change in team outlook: -19.3 ppg, -4.1 rpg, and -1.8 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED


Jones is a consistant scoring threat every night, and plays pretty good defense. If they are willing to part with Butler, why not take him? That would make a solid rotation (very solid) for our bench.

The downside is of course it would most likely not happen. And it would mean we decde Jones is our 2 guard for the future, and JJ (or Caron) is our 6 man.


That would make our starting lineup:

Steph
Jones
Marion
Amare
White

with

JJ
Caron
Penny
Voskuhl
Zarko
Barbosa

behind them. Wow, that is scary depth now that I look at it. Caron or JJ would be traded next summer most likely.
 

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Originally posted by thegrahamcrackr
If they so desperatly want to get rid of jones:

Phoenix trades:
SG Casey Jacobsen (4.8 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 0.5 apg in 14.5 minutes)
PF Tom Gugliotta (2.5 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 0.5 apg in 10.0 minutes)

Phoenix receives:
SF Caron Butler (5.6 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 1.0 apg in 26.6 minutes)
SG Eddie Jones (21.0 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 1.8 apg in 37.0 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +19.3 ppg, +4.1 rpg, and +1.8 apg.

Miami trades:
SF Caron Butler (5.6 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 1.0 apg in 26.6 minutes)
SG Eddie Jones (21.0 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 1.8 apg in 37.0 minutes)

Miami receives:
SG Casey Jacobsen (4.8 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 0.5 apg in 8 games)
PF Tom Gugliotta (2.5 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 0.5 apg in 6 games)
Change in team outlook: -19.3 ppg, -4.1 rpg, and -1.8 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED


Jones is a consistant scoring threat every night, and plays pretty good defense. If they are willing to part with Butler, why not take him? That would make a solid rotation (very solid) for our bench.

The downside is of course it would most likely not happen. And it would mean we decde Jones is our 2 guard for the future, and JJ (or Caron) is our 6 man.


That would make our starting lineup:

Steph
Jones
Marion
Amare
White

with

JJ
Caron
Penny
Voskuhl
Zarko
Barbosa

behind them. Wow, that is scary depth now that I look at it. Caron or JJ would be traded next summer most likely.

Man can I get a hit off that stuff WOW don't think this would fly.
 

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The Suns would have to pay approximately $27 trillion in luxury tax over the next three years, but other than that, it would be pretty cool.
 

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Originally posted by elindholm
The Suns would have to pay approximately $27 trillion in luxury tax over the next three years, but other than that, it would be pretty cool.

I'd much rather have the Suns use 7 trillion to pay off the national debt, and save the other 20 trillion for a center. :)
 

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I'd much rather have the Suns use 7 trillion to pay off the national debt

Yeh muss be wun dem bleedn hart libbrels.
 
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