Insider - Sept. 10 McGrady better off without Hill, & Peep show

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McGrady better off without Hill
By Terry Brown
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Wednesday, August 13


Grant Hill wants to play this season even at the risk of possibly never playing again. Depending on who you ask in the Orlando Magic organization, they want Hill to sit out this season in the hope that he can return next year with a stronger ankle that has already been cut open by a doctor four times since joining the franchise in 2000.


But did anyone bother to ask Tracy McGrady?

"Three years ago, we were all in love with Vince Carter," said one NBA scout. "We had no idea that Tracy McGrady could score 30 points a game. So in that respect, he has become a better player without Grant Hill on the floor. He handles the ball better. He's better at getting off his shot. But is he a better passer? Is he a better rebounder? Is he a better defender? But would we even care if he wasn't scoring 30 points a game in the first place?"

During Monday's press conference, the media asked Hill if he would return. If he could return. If the six-time all-star who once scored 25.8 points per game while also tallying 6.6 rebounds, 5.2 assists and 1.4 steals on 49 percent shooting during his last and best season in Detroit would ever justify the $93 million contract the Magic gave to him three years ago.

But no one mentioned the fact that in those last three years, McGrady, also signed in the same off season for that same $93 million, has averaged 28.1 points, 7.3 rebounds, 5.1 assists and 1.5 steals per game on 45.5 percent shooting.

Tracy McGrady
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2002-2003 SEASON STATISTICS
GM PPG RPG APG FG% FT%
75 32.1 6.5 5.5 .457 .793


"A lot of the focus is on Grant Hill right now," said the scout. "But without a doubt, the fortunes of the Orlando team are squarely on the shoulders of McGrady. And every year that monkey on his back is going to get heavier and heavier until he at least gets out of the first round. But that doesn't change the fact that Tracy McGrady is now one of the elite players in the NBA and I'm talking one of the four or five players who will challenge for the MVP award year in and year out."

But no one has mentioned the fact that in those same three years, McGrady has scored 6,420 points to the combined total of 5,149, which is how many points Carter AND Hill have scored in that same amount of time.

We might need reminding that back in 2000, when Hill was averaging 25.8 points per game, Carter was averaging 25.7 while McGrady was scoring only 15.7. But one year later, McGrady was averaging 26.8 points per game, then, last season, a league-leading 32.1 points per game.

"McGrady is who he is now," continued the scout. "And that definitely is not the same player that the Magic signed to play alongside Grant Hill. He's a monster now. It's his team. Of course the wear and tear on his body will take its toll. Of course his back is going to hurt year after year. But that's just the way it is when you're just that good. And when you're that good, the team revolves around you, not the other way around. So as sad as it is to say, the Orlando Magic may very well be better without Grant Hill."

Last year, the Orlando Magic had a payroll of $50 million, $12 million of which went to Hill, meaning that nearly a quarter, or 24 percent, of their entire team's payroll went to a player who contributed only 5 percent of the team's total points. Meanwhile, McGrady, who also made $12 million, contributed 29 percent of the team's total points.

Perhaps the more pertinent question we should be asking Hill and the Magic are: Can Orlando re-apply for the medical exception this year? When can Orlando apply for the medical exception next year? Do the Magic need to re-apply the following season if granted the previous season?

The point is, McGrady's going to get better. Hill is not. In his first six years as an NBA player, Hill averaged 1,566 points per season. In his last three, he has averaged 237.

Grant Hill
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Orlando Magic
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2002-2003 SEASON STATISTICS
GM PPG RPG APG FG% FT%
29 14.5 7.1 4.2 .492 .819


By comparison, Rick Fox of the Lakers, Bruce Bowen of the Spurs and George Lynch of the Hornets scored just as many total points and grabbed just as many total rebounds as Hill last year without taking up anywhere near that amount of cap space. In fact, those three combined for a yearly salary of only $10.4 million.

"There is some learning that Tracy could have gotten had he been able to play with Grant Hill and watched him during the playoffs and heard him in the locker room after playing on the same court," said the scout. "But that's in the past now. Grant Hill is not who Grant Hill used to be. And Tracy Mcgrady is. In fact, Tracy McGrady is arguably already better than Grant Hill ever was."

The fact also is that as good as McGrady has gotten, his team has not. In his first year of superstardom, the Magic won 43 games in 2001. A year later, they won 44. A year after that, last season, they won only 42.

"I'm sure it's nice for Magic fans to think how good their team could have been if both players had been able to perform up to their potential," concluded the scout. "But the reality is that they now have one player who could very well be the best in the league and another one who is now keeping them from becoming the team they could be."

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Peep Show
By Terry Brown
NBA Insider
Wednesday, September 10
Updated: September 10
11:37 AM ET




Arenas
Washington Wizards: It didn't take long for newly signed point guard Gilbert Arenas to make his first campaign promise after arriving in our nation's capital."I want to thank everyone sitting here for giving me a chance and believing in my talent," Arenas said in the Washington Times. "This year is going to be very exciting. I can prove it, and I'm gonna do it. We're going to make the playoffs. I'm going to work hard, my team is going to work hard, and we're going to do everything to make the playoffs. That's it." After winning last year's Most Improved Player award, Arenas became a restricted free agent and was given $65 million to leave the Golden State Warriors and join the Wizards. "I'm like Gilbert," Abe Pollin, the guy who will be writing the $65 million check, said. "I say we're going to go to the playoffs, too."


Denver Nuggets: The Rocky Mountain News is reporting that Voshon Lenard will become the fourth free agent guard to join the Denver Nuggets this off season just as soon as the his wife gives birth to their son. He will then join the team with a multi-year contract alongside newcomers Andre Miller, Earl Boykins and Jon Barry.

New Orleans Hornets: P.J. Brown is eager to get back into the action after re-signing with the Hornets for $34 million over four seasons. Too bad his left ankle isn't showing the same enthusiasm after having bone fragments removed from it last month. "He's eager and he's anxious to get out and start running, which he has not been given clearance to do, but he feels like he's at the point where he could," Hornets coach Tim Floyd said in the New Orleans Times Picayune. "He's been up here (at the Alario Center) every day working." Doctors say that it will be at least another week before he begins running. "I'm just trying to take the necessary steps so I won't re-injure myself," Brown said. "It was hard to get the surgery done, because I thought it would set me back from being ready. But now I'm glad I got it done. There was a big knot (on the ankle) and they took it out and it feels much better now."



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That article felt like a passionate manifesto to give out information everyone already knew, except with the added tagline, "Is the team better off without Hill?"
 
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I think this is ridicilous. Both, Orlando Magic and Tracy McGrady are better off WITH Grant Hill. Then you would acctually have to defend somebody else other than Tracy. You would think twice about double teaming.
 

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It's like the guy is saying that McGrady is only as good as he is because Hill is not there.........I think they both could have averaged 25+pts per game if Hill had been healthy. They would probably have been the #2 tandem in the league behind Kobe and Shaq. I feel awful for Grant Hill. In his last season in Detroit he was looking like he was on his way to becoming one of the top 5 SF's of all time. I blame the doctor that couldn't get the problem fixed and needed to operate 4 times and he still might not have the ankle fixed.
 

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Originally posted by jbeecham
I blame the doctor that couldn't get the problem fixed and needed to operate 4 times and he still might not have the ankle fixed.

Right, because we have all the adequate information to make a decision like that...
 

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Ford, operating on somebody four times, clearing somebody to play four times only for that player to get hurt again is a little fishy. That's all we are saying.

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Originally posted by SirStefan32
Ford, operating on somebody four times, clearing somebody to play four times only for that player to get hurt again is a little fishy. That's all we are saying.

Stefan

But we also don't know what the rehabilitation situation was like. There was probably considerable pressure coming from management(in different directions at different times, I would think), plus Grant Hill's competitive nature and personal desires. I also have a feeling that in order to be a surgeon for Grant Hill(whether the same doctor did all four operations, I'm not sure) he probably has a pretty astounding track record. When you have ninety something million dollars invested in a player, don't you think you'd hire a doctor that has spotless credentials and the ability to do a damn fine job?

By the way, we also don't know(and I doubt it in fact) whether the doctor who performed the operation was the same as the one who cleared him to play.
 

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That is all true. I am just saying that Grant Hill could do Orlando a huge favor by sitting out. They would rather have $5M to worki with then have Hill for twenty games or so.
 

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Originally posted by SirStefan32
Ford, operating on somebody four times, clearing somebody to play four times only for that player to get hurt again is a little fishy. That's all we are saying.

Stefan

That is not fishy at all. "clearing" someone to play just means that they COULD play. In other words, his ankle had enough range of motion to play the game of basketball. By no means does that say he wont get hurt again, or feel any discomfort. Everyone involved knew that after each surgery the chance of reinjuring became greater.

Let me ask you this, is it "fishy" if a doctor performs a life saving surgery on a child, and claims that he/she should be alright for now (emphasizing the for now). Then a month later the kid dies because the surgery could only postpone the inevitable? Would you hold a doctor responsible for that?? Because that happens all the time.

Sometimes all a doctor can do is postpone the future. Some things just cannot be fully cured by modern medicine. Just like some joint injuries will never fully heal enough to continue playing professional sports.
 

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Originally posted by thegrahamcrackr
Sometimes all a doctor can do is postpone the future.

As death seems to be failry inevitable, I would say your statement is pretty accurate.

Originally posted by SirStefan32
That is all true. I am just saying that Grant Hill could do Orlando a huge favor by sitting out. They would rather have $5M to worki with then have Hill for twenty games or so.

Yes. It would absolutely benefit the team, but this point has nothing to do with a decision to blame the doctor.
 

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Originally posted by fordronken
As death seems to be failry inevitable, I would say your statement is pretty accurate.

You are slightly taking it out of context. I was more of talking about premature death.....and comparing it to how sometimes all a doctor can do is postpone the failure of a joint. Some things are not meant to be repairable.
 

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Originally posted by thegrahamcrackr
You are slightly taking it out of context. I was more of talking about premature death.....and comparing it to how sometimes all a doctor can do is postpone the failure of a joint. Some things are not meant to be repairable.

Yes. I was taking it in a larger sense for the purposes of humour. I wasn't really making an actual point.
 

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Originally posted by SirStefan32
That is all true. I am just saying that Grant Hill could do Orlando a huge favor by sitting out. They would rather have $5M to worki with then have Hill for twenty games or so.


Didnt I already say the Magic applied for the med exemption on Hill and the league turned em down?
 
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