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This is from the official D-Backs board from someone named shoewizard. A very good read in which he statistically previews some of the free agent names we're going after.

This is long. But I really hope my fellow D Back fans will read all of this.

OK, as you guys have figured out by now if you have read my posts, I am pretty much into sabermetrics. I personally don't believe that the traditional stats do as good a job as the modern stats do in assesing player value. But unless you are a statistician or have a degree in advanced mathmatics, it is a bit of a leap of faith to embrace metrics like VORP or Win Shares, or Eqa, or the rest of the alphabet soup of new metrics available to evaluate players.

HOWEVER, everyone here knows intuitively that when you compare ballplayers, you have to take into account where they played. Obviously a 4.00 ERA in the AL is a better achievement, (in most cases) than a 4.00 ERA in the NL, simply because the AL has the DH. Everyone also knows that Coors field inflates hitting numbers, (and earned run average) while Dodger Stadium has traditionally repressed run scoring.

Well, there is an easy way to quantify this, and the information is so readily available, that I would like to encourage everyone to get familiar with two simple and easy to read metrics.

OPS+ and ERA+.

OPS, (on base plus slugging) is not a perfect number, as on base % is actually worth more towards run scoring than slugging %. However, it is still much better than the totally overated batting average.

OPS+ is a number that takes OPS, and then normalizes it against league average, and also adjusts for ballpark.

100= average.
less than 100= below average
above 100 = better than average.

ERA+ does the same thing for ERA. It simply puts it context, against league average and for ballpark.

These numbers are readily available at

baseball-reference.com.

If you go to any players page on that site, for the pitchers on the far right, you will see the ERA+ number. For hitters, scroll down to the "special batting" section, and again, look to the far right.

(They also have glossary pages where you can see definitions and how the numbers are calulated)

Now, let me give you an example of a few players the D Backs are reported to be looking at or have already made offers to.

1.) Royce Clayton: He has a career OPS+ of 78. This is really really low. That is roughly 22% below average. Even for a shortstop, it is really bad. Last year's OPS+ was 76. He has NEVER had an OPS+ of 100, in any season of his career. Meaning he has never even been average. And he is going to be 36.

2.) David Delucci: He has a career OPS+ of 92, and last year in Texas it was 94. He had a flash or two of excellence for us, in 1999 and 2001, in limited at bats, but basically, David Delucci is simplly a less than average outfielder who will be 31 years old.

3.) Tony Batista: His name was bandied about as a possible signee for the D backs. If we don't sign Troy Glaus, his name might still come up. His career OPS+ is 95, and last year it was 88. He would have to hit 40 homers and drive in 100+ runs to be above average, because he never ever takes a walk, and makes far too many outs.

4.) Danny Bautista: Ok, he is gone, but alot of people seem to think Danny should have been kept. Danny's career OPS+ is 84, and last year, despite his .286 batting average, his OPS+ was only 87

5.) And what about Troy Glaus. His career OPS+ is 119. Pretty good. But that is somewhat inflated by his career year in 2000. Still, he has the potential, if he can stay healthy of having an OPS+ of 130-150, which would be great. IF HEALTHY.

Anyone seeing a pattern here? It's like (with the exception of Glaus) the D Backs are trying to corner the market on guys that seldom walk, have low on base percentage, and don't hit for enough power or hit for enough average to make up for it.

What about pitching.

1.) Shawn Estes:
Shawn has a career ERA+ of 90. the last 3 seasons it has been, 78,74,86.
For the last 3 years, ESTES has been well below average, not even coming within whiffing distance of 100 ERA+
His 15-8 record was mostly luck, and due to 6 1/2 runs a game in support from the rockies per game. (no other rockies starter got more than 5 1/2 runs a game)

2.) Russ Ortiz: Career ERA+ of 103. Lat 3 seasons 105,109,104.

The last 3 seasons, he really has been only a little bit better than average. But he played on good teams in Atlanta and SFO, and he does seem to have knack for getting out of trouble, despite his very high walk totals. So his win totals are quite good. I don't think that high wire act is gonna cut it in Bank One Ballpark, and in that environment.

I hope I have not bored you guys. But this information should help you in evaluating the players that may or may not play for us here in the Valley this year.

go to baseball-reference.com, and look at the D Backs team page, and follow the links by clicking on the individual players, and find out who is better or worse than you thought!!

Someone should track this guy down and invite him over to this board to get away from the 'AndrewGoodSlut' and 'IheartKoplove' half-wits over there that come up with nonsensical trade ideas and suggest we sign Carlos Beltran and Carl Pavano to go with RJ.
 

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Nice post, certainly better than most of that crap on that board, but he isnt really telling us anything that we dont already know. Did anybody really think that Clayton and Dellucci were all that great to begin with?

Edit: oh, and it looks like if you click the guys name you can send an email to him if you have an account. Maybe we should recruit the few on that board that arent full of crap.
 
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It's like (with the exception of Glaus) the D Backs are trying to corner the market on guys that seldom walk, have low on base percentage, and don't hit for enough power or hit for enough average to make up for it.

:bang: I actually wrote Moorad complaining about this continuing dismal trend several weeks ago when these names were being mentioned. Sigh. If this is how they assemble the team for 2005, the front office should all have their heads stuck on pikes in Copper Square. (On the other hand - pathetic as the numbers may be, it might still be an upgrade over what we had last season. )

DBackJon - you have now introduced my favorite term of endearment for our GM to this board, I see! and I was afraid people would find it too negative. LOL.

 

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And who did you expect that we would target for a 1-2 year stopgap shortstop and a fourth outfielder?

By the way, about the OPS+ thing, 5 out of the 8 starters on the CHAMPIONSHIP 2001 team count as "below average." I know the team was built around pitching, but theres something real strange about that.
 

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AZZenny said:
DBackJon - you have now introduced my favorite term of endearment for our GM to this board, I see! and I was afraid people would find it too negative. LOL.

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It was too fitting to pass up - needed to be spread to the masses!
 

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Clayton wants 3 years, reportedly, and not as cheap as one might wish. Looch wants two years and to be a starter, not a 4th.

In 2001 we also had RJ and Schilling. I wonder how their ERA+ numbers would adjust the overall team starter average. We pretty much got through the playoffs on their arms. I don't recall us using Alpo much at all. ;)
 
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coyoteshockeyfan said:
And who did you expect that we would target for a 1-2 year stopgap shortstop and a fourth outfielder?

I don't mind having Dellucci as a fourth OF, only that we're supposedly offering him around 500 ABs, which means he's going to be starting a lot. I'm not as opposed to Clayton as most around here are. Yeah, the guy blows at the plate but he has a good glove which will help tremendously when looking at our so-called defense last year. Webb especially will bear the fruits of a Clayton signing. My biggest concern is where the power i going to come from outside of Gonzo if Glaus goes elsewhere.

coyoteshockeyfan said:
By the way, about the OPS+ thing, 5 out of the 8 starters on the CHAMPIONSHIP 2001 team count as "below average." I know the team was built around pitching, but theres something real strange about that.

Notice though that the guys below the average cutoff (Miller, Bell, Womack, Finley, Williams) were all defensively above average. Their dropoff in OPS was made up for by their defensive contributions as well as Dellucci, Durazo, and Bautista's offensive help off the bench to go along with career years by Grace, Gonzo, and Reggie Sanders.

We could field a defense that is good at a pretty low cost as defense is still very underrated by most GMs excluding guys like Theo Epstein. But in order to do that and field a competitve team you need to make up for low batting/good defense players with guys who produce a lot of runs. Dellucci is not one of these guys and he's slated to be our starting RF. If we strike out on Glaus, we could be the best defensive team ever but the only threat on offense will be Gonzo and we'll win no more than seventy games.
 

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AZZenny said:
Clayton wants 3 years, reportedly, and not as cheap as one might wish. Looch wants two years and to be a starter, not a 4th.

Three years? Ick...
Where did you hear that anyways?
 

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