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4. Indianapolis (10-3). Enjoy having Edgerrin James on this team while you can, Colts fans. He's a Raider or Dolphin or Buc or Cardinal next year.





I kind of doubt Edge is coming here as he's already stated he wants to play for Miami, but you never know.
 

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I doubt we get Edge but that would be an awesome signing, the guy is finally healthy entering his prime and reminds me of a young Marshall Faulk... get a decent QB in here and we would instantly be a playoff contender... draft Rolle and we would be the division favorites....
 

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I doubt we get Edge but that would be an awesome signing, the guy is finally healthy entering his prime and reminds me of a young Marshall Faulk... get a decent QB in here and we would instantly be a playoff contender... draft Rolle and we would be the division favorites....

I think you add Edge to this offense and all of a sudden we'll have what DG envisioned.

A stud RB will make a QB like McCown look good.
 

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Ryanwb said:
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lol...my thoughts were more like 'why the hell would he come to arizona?'
 

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lol...my thoughts were more like 'why the hell would he come to arizona?'

Death Dealer Avatar.... Sweet!!

Hopefully we can get some FA to sign that believe the Cards are in the middle of turning the ship around.
 

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Why would Bertrand Berry come to the team?

If they like Coach Green, and we offer enough money, I don't see why not. For a guy like Edge he could look at himself as the missing piece to the offensive puzzle, nice weather most of the year, and a brand new stadium opening soon, with natural grass for a field.
 
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Let's be honest. Nice weather, yes. Realistic shot of getting him? Probably not. The only way I see him coming here is if we offer way more $ than another team. Plus, all I keep hearing about is the "rumor" that Denny will get Michael Bennett.

I wouldn't mind having Bennett, but we need to seriously upgrade our OL if we're going to actually get production out of him.
 

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Surely you jest Ryan? Players generally follow the money although there are some that take less not to go someplace. However, it's not that common.

The Chicago LB who went to NE took less than we offered and Vonnie Holliday refused to come here at all. But Emmitt Smith, Dexter Jackson, and Bert Berry all went where the money was best.

The problem we have is if the money in two offers is similar, players will often go with the better franchise. Again, that's not the only factor. Players have been bailing out of Green Bay for several years now. Why? Same with Buffalo? Why? Money? Yes! And weather. And who knows what else.

Why can't St. Louis keep any defensive players?
 

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All I hear is how much Edge loves florida (lives there in offseason) and the boating...dunno if our lakes really compare. It just seems that Miami would have to have some crazy bad luck in not signing him....errr wait a minute. :doi:
 

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Syracusecards said:
Let's be honest. Nice weather, yes. Realistic shot of getting him? Probably not. The only way I see him coming here is if we offer way more $ than another team. Plus, all I keep hearing about is the "rumor" that Denny will get Michael Bennett.

I wouldn't mind having Bennett, but we need to seriously upgrade our OL if we're going to actually get production out of him.

So Very True about upgrading the OL. It's gotta be Dennys top offseason priority. And that'll take time, unless they go FA route there too. :thumbup:

Might as well draft one of the top three or four RB's also and see him develop.
 
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I think when the stadium is finished a great deal of the FA problems will go away.

If I am a player looking at several similar offers and one is in LA or in Carolina or St. louis or Phoenix I know which one stands out as the place I will probably sweat off about 25lbs in one game.

Then factor in I'd have to do that at least 5 times a year not counting the practices and I'd have no problem figuring which one is off my list first.

I am from the Midwest and here football weather is when it gets cool outside not 110 freakin degrees.

Optimum football weather is 40 to 55 degrees and if Im thinking about playing in any extreme you can forget it. Miami no thanks, Green Bay.... um no.

Miami has oppressive humidity although it isn't as bad as where Florida plays. There's a reason they invented Gator Aid.

Kansas City... A++++ :thumbup: Perfect football weather most of the season.
 

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the boating, throw in a weekly trip to Sand Diego with the boat for kicks.
 

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I heard him say on the radio at the beginning of the season I belive it was, he woulden't want to play for a team like the Cardinals or Bengals.
 

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IMO we will make a trade with the Vikings for Michael Bennett and probably draft another RB perhaps on round two. Also Shipp will be back. Denny will spend the cap money on getting solid players not super stars. He never has.
 

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Matbe the following article will give us a clue as to where James might play next year.

Posted on Tue, May. 13, 2003


Dan Le Batard

Here, James enriches with mere presence

COMMENTARY / DAN LE BATARD

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IMMOKALEE - Buzzards circle overhead, waiting for something to die. A yellow light blinks, warning you to beware of crossing panthers. Surrounded by miles and miles of empty swampland, just off an alley named after the alligator, a sleeping man sells watermelons roadside. Past the correctional facility and the poverty-ravaged village for farm workers, past all the airboats and tractors, shirtless fishermen drop their lines into a thin canal, hoping their hooks will quiver with dinner.

''My boy,'' a smiling Julie James says from her kitchen, ``is bringing the carnival with him.''

Second Street, past all the tattered shacks and trailers and front-yard clotheslines sagging from drying wash. A convoy of new Escalades, Hummers and Bentleys are rolling, rims shining and bass thumping, as odd a vision in these parts as hundred-dollar bills falling from the sky. The people of Immokalee, one of the poorest cities in America, can't often afford the expense of going to an NFL game. But now, the NFL game is coming to them.

There's Fred Taylor, Jevon Kearse, Bubba Franks, Santana Moss, Phillip Buchanon, Reggie Wayne, Plaxico Burress, William Joseph, Samari Rolle and others. Rap star Trick Daddy is behind the tinted windows in one of these cars, too. Edgerrin James asked them all to come to his hometown for a charity basketball game, asked for one Saturday night, and they know the quiet James doesn't ask for much. So, as hundreds of kids and adults line Second Street in a tiny town where word spreads faster than the smell of good barbecue, here comes the carnival.

''Would have had twice as many ballers coming, but some teams have camps this weekend,'' Edgerrin James says. ``That's why Daunte [Culpepper] couldn't make it.''

James' cell phone rings.

''Sapp?'' James says. ``How close are you?''

And now here comes Warren Sapp, a carnival all his own.

James was shaped by this tiny town, literally and figuratively. He grew up harvesting watermelons at $20 a truckload, hiding his earnings at night from the co-workers who were addicted to crack cocaine. The work was so grueling that James got to the University of Miami muscularly sculpted even though he had never lifted a weight. He laughs now when talking about how, for entertainment, he used to scavenge for $5 just so he could buy crackheads their hits and watch them smoke it in cans. This was back when he was 10. It was what the kids did.

It is a huge leap, from there to community leader, but James has certainly made it in a way that makes you wonder if Robin Hood had dreadlocks and gold teeth. Just for the heck of it, James will round up area kids who have good grades and good attendance and reward them by driving them, spur of the moment, to Disney World or, better yet, Culpepper's house. Those Reebok ads James does? He has the sneaker company pay him in merchandise, so he can outfit the hundreds of players and cheerleaders in Immokalee's Pop Warner league.

James is straight from these scarred streets, and proud of it. ''A thug,'' to use his words, but that's just Santa Claus talking tough. James doesn't have any use for the TV cameras. He isn't interested in smiling nice for the photo op while holding up the big cardboard check. And he doesn't speak in public-relations sound bytes, which is part of why he didn't get nearly the attention for leading the NFL twice in rushing that Ricky Williams got for leading it once.

So when you ask why he does so much for Immokalee, James doesn't talk about ''the importance of giving back.'' He flatly says, ''If I don't do it, who will? If I don't do it, there won't be nothing out here. Nobody cares about these people, man.'' James is like the truth he speaks -- real, rugged and raw.

James remembers his childhood and how the only buzz that ever made its way through town was when a friend of a friend somehow got former Redskins quarterback Mark Rypien to speak to the local high schoolers.

''Once,'' James says. ``That's it. That's the only time someone famous rolled through here. I remember how much I wish I had something like this when I was a kid. That's all I could do -- wish.''

James is standing outside what the neighborhood kids call The Fun House now. James built it for them and even let them spray-paint a room. By his own admission, James can be very cheap (he stays at Embassy Suites with those kids at Disney World because the breakfast is free), but he took this former crack house and refurbished it. He put in big-screen TVs, a billiards room, a chess room, an outdoor basketball court with bleachers and $50,000 worth of weights.

The fresh blue paint and mint condition of The Fun House stand out in a farming area where the Coalition of Immokalee Workers estimates that the median farm income is less than $10,000 a year per household.

James has a rare appreciation for how UM helped him climb out of this city and into the NFL, which is why he gave a $250,000 donation to the school, owns matching 1975 Impalas in Miami's green-and-orange colors and recently tried to have his Colts uniform number changed to his UM No. 5 before being rebuffed by the NFL.

The NFLers who filled the billiards room and his mother's kitchen before Saturday's charity basketball game were mostly Florida kids who remember what it was like to grow up in similar conditions and have football help lift them out of it.

''This used to be a drug haven and now look at it,'' says Pierre Rutledge, head of The Edgerrin James Foundation. 'Edge is so reserved, though, he doesn't tell people about all the good work he does. I keep telling him, `There's nothing wrong with people knowing what you do.' ''

James keeps odd hours, working out at 2 a.m. when a friend turns on the high school football field's lights for him. He often falls asleep on the black leather couch in The Fun House, only to wake up to a floor littered with kids who didn't want to wake him by playing the video games.

''I got here the other day at 2 in the morning, and I didn't have nobody else around, so I rounded up a few people who were using drugs and had them help me lift until 5 or 6 in the morning,'' James says. ``They're people, too, you know? Just because they've got drug problems doesn't mean they aren't people.

``The cops come by and tell me I shouldn't leave my Bentley outside, but I'm comfortable here. Nothing is going to happen to my Bentley. Ain't but one person around here who owns a Bentley. Even the addicts respect my stuff.''

James, with a contract worth more than $49 million, has told his mother and grandmother they can live anywhere in the world, but they've opted to remain here.

They don't want to go someplace richer?

Well, then, the boy they raised will keep bringing the richness to them.
 

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I'd be leery of signing Edge. He has a lot of wear & tear on those legs. He's been very productive, but how many more years does he have at PEAK LEVEL. I'd much prefer to draft a RB out of college or someone who hasn't carried the ball as much as Edge, maybe like Bennett. Edge would be MUCHO expensive, not enough bang for the buck.
 
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wallyburger said:
Matbe the following article will give us a clue as to where James might play next year.

Posted on Tue, May. 13, 2003


Dan Le Batard

Here, James enriches with mere presence

COMMENTARY / DAN LE BATARD

[email protected]

IMMOKALEE - Buzzards circle overhead, waiting for something to die. A yellow light blinks, warning you to beware of crossing panthers. Surrounded by miles and miles of empty swampland, just off an alley named after the alligator, a sleeping man sells watermelons roadside. Past the correctional facility and the poverty-ravaged village for farm workers, past all the airboats and tractors, shirtless fishermen drop their lines into a thin canal, hoping their hooks will quiver with dinner.

''My boy,'' a smiling Julie James says from her kitchen, ``is bringing the carnival with him.''

Second Street, past all the tattered shacks and trailers and front-yard clotheslines sagging from drying wash. A convoy of new Escalades, Hummers and Bentleys are rolling, rims shining and bass thumping, as odd a vision in these parts as hundred-dollar bills falling from the sky. The people of Immokalee, one of the poorest cities in America, can't often afford the expense of going to an NFL game. But now, the NFL game is coming to them.

There's Fred Taylor, Jevon Kearse, Bubba Franks, Santana Moss, Phillip Buchanon, Reggie Wayne, Plaxico Burress, William Joseph, Samari Rolle and others. Rap star Trick Daddy is behind the tinted windows in one of these cars, too. Edgerrin James asked them all to come to his hometown for a charity basketball game, asked for one Saturday night, and they know the quiet James doesn't ask for much. So, as hundreds of kids and adults line Second Street in a tiny town where word spreads faster than the smell of good barbecue, here comes the carnival.

''Would have had twice as many ballers coming, but some teams have camps this weekend,'' Edgerrin James says. ``That's why Daunte [Culpepper] couldn't make it.''

James' cell phone rings.

''Sapp?'' James says. ``How close are you?''

And now here comes Warren Sapp, a carnival all his own.

James was shaped by this tiny town, literally and figuratively. He grew up harvesting watermelons at $20 a truckload, hiding his earnings at night from the co-workers who were addicted to crack cocaine. The work was so grueling that James got to the University of Miami muscularly sculpted even though he had never lifted a weight. He laughs now when talking about how, for entertainment, he used to scavenge for $5 just so he could buy crackheads their hits and watch them smoke it in cans. This was back when he was 10. It was what the kids did.

It is a huge leap, from there to community leader, but James has certainly made it in a way that makes you wonder if Robin Hood had dreadlocks and gold teeth. Just for the heck of it, James will round up area kids who have good grades and good attendance and reward them by driving them, spur of the moment, to Disney World or, better yet, Culpepper's house. Those Reebok ads James does? He has the sneaker company pay him in merchandise, so he can outfit the hundreds of players and cheerleaders in Immokalee's Pop Warner league.

James is straight from these scarred streets, and proud of it. ''A thug,'' to use his words, but that's just Santa Claus talking tough. James doesn't have any use for the TV cameras. He isn't interested in smiling nice for the photo op while holding up the big cardboard check. And he doesn't speak in public-relations sound bytes, which is part of why he didn't get nearly the attention for leading the NFL twice in rushing that Ricky Williams got for leading it once.

So when you ask why he does so much for Immokalee, James doesn't talk about ''the importance of giving back.'' He flatly says, ''If I don't do it, who will? If I don't do it, there won't be nothing out here. Nobody cares about these people, man.'' James is like the truth he speaks -- real, rugged and raw.

James remembers his childhood and how the only buzz that ever made its way through town was when a friend of a friend somehow got former Redskins quarterback Mark Rypien to speak to the local high schoolers.

''Once,'' James says. ``That's it. That's the only time someone famous rolled through here. I remember how much I wish I had something like this when I was a kid. That's all I could do -- wish.''

James is standing outside what the neighborhood kids call The Fun House now. James built it for them and even let them spray-paint a room. By his own admission, James can be very cheap (he stays at Embassy Suites with those kids at Disney World because the breakfast is free), but he took this former crack house and refurbished it. He put in big-screen TVs, a billiards room, a chess room, an outdoor basketball court with bleachers and $50,000 worth of weights.

The fresh blue paint and mint condition of The Fun House stand out in a farming area where the Coalition of Immokalee Workers estimates that the median farm income is less than $10,000 a year per household.

James has a rare appreciation for how UM helped him climb out of this city and into the NFL, which is why he gave a $250,000 donation to the school, owns matching 1975 Impalas in Miami's green-and-orange colors and recently tried to have his Colts uniform number changed to his UM No. 5 before being rebuffed by the NFL.

The NFLers who filled the billiards room and his mother's kitchen before Saturday's charity basketball game were mostly Florida kids who remember what it was like to grow up in similar conditions and have football help lift them out of it.

''This used to be a drug haven and now look at it,'' says Pierre Rutledge, head of The Edgerrin James Foundation. 'Edge is so reserved, though, he doesn't tell people about all the good work he does. I keep telling him, `There's nothing wrong with people knowing what you do.' ''

James keeps odd hours, working out at 2 a.m. when a friend turns on the high school football field's lights for him. He often falls asleep on the black leather couch in The Fun House, only to wake up to a floor littered with kids who didn't want to wake him by playing the video games.

''I got here the other day at 2 in the morning, and I didn't have nobody else around, so I rounded up a few people who were using drugs and had them help me lift until 5 or 6 in the morning,'' James says. ``They're people, too, you know? Just because they've got drug problems doesn't mean they aren't people.

``The cops come by and tell me I shouldn't leave my Bentley outside, but I'm comfortable here. Nothing is going to happen to my Bentley. Ain't but one person around here who owns a Bentley. Even the addicts respect my stuff.''

James, with a contract worth more than $49 million, has told his mother and grandmother they can live anywhere in the world, but they've opted to remain here.

They don't want to go someplace richer?

Well, then, the boy they raised will keep bringing the richness to them.

Thanks for posting this. Great story. I had no idea he was such a good guy. I think this pretty much says that he's going to Miami no matter what. Too bad, because we could use a guy like this. Just comes in, and gets the job done.
 

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az jam said:
IMO we will make a trade with the Vikings for Michael Bennett and probably draft another RB perhaps on round two. Also Shipp will be back. Denny will spend the cap money on getting solid players not super stars. He never has.

I totally agree. That would allow us to take the best player available route in next years draft. And yes, we would have to daft a rb in round 2 or 3 that would fit the mold of a guy like Bennett. We will already have 2 "tugboats " with Shipp and Hambrick. We would have to have some insurance in case a guy like Bennett continued his injury prone ways.


But wouldn't it be nice to have Edgerrin James?
 

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But wouldn't it be nice to have Edgerrin James?

I think the amount of money we'd have to drop to get James here would be a very high risk move. And, when he was hurt in the past, the Colts really didn't miss a beat. Both Mungro and Rhodes filled in with some big games. I'd rather get one of those two and spend the money saved on the line and the defense.

If we did sign James, I'm sure I would get caught up in the hype too. But, I don't think he's the type of guy we need to add this offseason.
 

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I think the amount of money we'd have to drop to get James here would be a very high risk move. And, when he was hurt in the past, the Colts really didn't miss a beat.

the only year the Colts missed the playoffs in recent memory was the year Edge went out for the second half of the season. I call that missing a beat.
 

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the only year the Colts missed the playoffs in recent memory was the year Edge went out for the second half of the season. I call that missing a beat.

They also had the worst defense in the NFL that year.
 

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They also had the worst defense in the NFL that year.

their defense has been pretty bad most of this and last season as well(at least this season when they actually play good teams).

They ahve always been able to overcome their defense, except for the year Edge went out. I just think you're giving him too little credit - that offense is as dominating as it is because of the sum of its parts.
 

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their defense has been pretty bad most of this and last season as well(at least this season when they actually play good teams).

They ahve always been able to overcome their defense, except for the year Edge went out. I just think you're giving him too little credit - that offense is as dominating as it is because of the sum of its parts.

Yes, Edge is important to that offense but I have a question for you. If Indy's defense is "pretty bad" then how would your rate our defense considering that Indy gives up a whole 30 more yards more per game than us and a whopping ONE FOOT MORE per play than us?

I think this shows the inherent flaw in ranking defenses by merely yards given up. Forget about how having a crappy special teams actually means your defense can give up LESS potential yards, but the difference between the #10 defense (Patriots) and the #29 (Indy) is a whole 47 yards per game. I could write an essay about why that's a pointless difference but I won't.

Instead I'll kindly point out that footballoutsiders.com ranks defense on a per play basis. You make a good play on defense, you get a success point. Bad play is no success point for you, then you basically compare success rates. Under that system the Indy defense is league average. They give up "successful" plays to the offense at the same rate the entire NFL has averaged over the last 4 years. Our defense however, is 7.7% below that average. We've given up less yards, yes. But on the whole, when a team runs a play against our defense, they are successful more often than against the Indy defense.

I know no one cares but hey if it can get one more Card fan posting at the site, then sweet deal. As it is, there are like three people from the Valley that whine and complain at being forced to watch Cards games. Lame.
 

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Syracusecards said:
Let's be honest. Nice weather, yes. Realistic shot of getting him? Probably not. The only way I see him coming here is if we offer way more $ than another team. Plus, all I keep hearing about is the "rumor" that Denny will get Michael Bennett.

I wouldn't mind having Bennett, but we need to seriously upgrade our OL if we're going to actually get production out of him.

If this team can win out we will get a lot more serious considerations from FA's as we could be perceived as a team on the rise with a new stadium just around the corner. Now the nice weather looks a lot better. The old problem remains however do the Bidwills have the money or will they spend it to attact these good FA's? Money always talks in the NFL>
 
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