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Cards rankings after 1st week NFL

#1 QB
#1 WR
#1 Total yards
#3 returns
#5 1st downs
#19 Punting
#19 kicking

Now the reason we lost last week

#31 in turnovers.
Big NOTHING. no ranking in the top 100 players in Tackles/Sacks!

Nothing left to say on last week except fix two areas and we have a chance to win.

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hmmm...that's because we gave up 42 points...I bet the Bears had us beat on that one....
 

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Originally posted by Jttsaz
#3 returns
hmmm...that's because we gave up 42 points...I bet the Bears had us beat on that one....

Jttsaz:

Yards-per-return is more indicative. Kasper's ranked 3rd in the NFC (5-136, 27.2), and 4th in the league.

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Agreed...I tell you one thing about Kasper...He doesn't dance...he just runs like his life depends on it...kind of reminds me of how Pittman used to run...minus the huge collisions...
 
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That's exactly where the ranking comes from. Kasper did well, he was the part of special teams by far.

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Originally posted by Jttsaz
#3 returns
hmmm...that's because we gave up 42 points...I bet the Bears had us beat on that one....


That's #3 in KO return AVERAGE, not KO return yards.

Coincedentally, the Cards had a better return average than Detroit. Didn't seem so? Why did Detroit have a better start of offensive possesion than the Cards then? Because of poor distance on the KO,s.


Another very interesting stat:

Detroit got 28 of their point with a whopping 71 yards offense:
Punt return - 0 yards, TD;
Drive after muffed punt by Boldin - 36 yards, TD;
Drive after fumble by Blake - 31 yards, TD;
Interception - 0 yards, TD

Very simply this is where the game was lost!

Special Teams mistakes and Turnovers!

By the way Kudo's and credit goes to whoever first posted the numbers as a recap re: Mac's comments after the game. (I can't find the thread to quote it.)
 

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Originally posted by CardLogic
By the way Kudo's and credit goes to whoever first posted the numbers as a recap re: Mac's comments after the game. (I can't find the thread to quote it.)

CardLogic:

That was me, thanks. Here it is:

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Originally posted by Pariah
"The Cardinals, meanwhile, were ranked No. 1 in total offense and No. 7 in total defense. But they lost 42-24 to the Detroit Lions, who are 24th in offense and 30th in defense."

That's interesting.
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Pariah:

Interesting, but not that hard to understand. As McGinnis pointed out in his post-game comments, " ... (the Lions) got basically 28 points out of 78 yards of offense."

Punt return--7 pts, 0 yds offense. Muffed punt--7 pts, 35 yds. Fumble--7 pts, 36 yds. INT return--7 pts, 0 yds. Mac got it wrong. Detroit got 28 points out of only 71 yards of offense.

Special teams and turnovers. That's why the Cards lost this game.

When statistics don't seem to make sense, and don't reflect the game that you saw, the simple response is to say, "Statistics are meaningless." I think it's more interesting to ask, "What's missing from this picture? Why don't the stats make sense?"

I do data analysis for a living. Statistics don't lie, but they can mislead. Taking one or two numbers out of context can lead you to make bad conclusions, in my experience.

In the case of the Detroit game, the disconnect was that there's usually a correlation between yards gained and points scored. When that correlation breaks down, there are a couple of common explanations. One is that a team's offense was ineffective in the red zone. Another is that special teams play and/ or turnovers played a role, producing points with few or no offensive yards recorded.

This was one of those latter games. Casual observers look at the final score, see an 18-point differential, and conclude, "The Cards got blown out." The truth is that the Cardinals won every important offensive/ defensive comparison: total yards, passing yards, rushing yards, first downs, time-of-possession. Take away two plays--neither of which was against the Cards defense--and this was a four-point game. (Close to the point spread, most of which can be attributed to home field.)

Statistics certainly don't tell the whole story. But they tell most of it, especially if you understand what they're saying.

Thanks again for the kudos.

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This is what I'm talkin' about!

The Cardinals did not, by any means get blown out in the Detroit game. In fact, they should have; and would have won if not for a few bad turnovers and mistakes.

The Cardinals outplayed the Lions on both offense and defense.
Where there problem areas for the Cards? Well, sure! But the problems and mistakes are very correctable.

This was not the typical Cardinals game that I have seen for the last X (X=you name it) number of years.

They moved down the field and scored on their opening drive!
They dominated the Lions for nearly three quarters!

Then in a flurry of bad plays; punt return, muffed punt, boink - pass bouncing off of B. Johnson's chest, fumble, interception; the game was out of control. So it would seem the Cardinals curse struck again.... Except, I don't believe in that crap!!!

This team has some good football in it.... starting with a win against Seattle this Sunday!
 
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All of this is exactly right.

I saw the best cards game in a while, even though we lost. Yes that should stricken it, but there was too much good stuff not to say it was good.

We've seen them play 5 games now including preseason. We've seen them play 5 good games in my opinion in many facets of the game. Whether it was preseason or not it is hard to win 5 straight games.

That said, if we can win the next couple of games or at least play very well in a close loss and win, we know what to expect at least from this team this year....A very competitive up and coming team that is poised to make a run deep into the playoffs rather soon...probably next year...but you never know...

Either way, things are looking bright to me. How 'bout you?

How bout the draft class...I admit I was shocked and dismayed, but quickly I was turned about by our "worst draft pick" and one of the "worst draft class" guys' play.

By the end of the season it may be more like "Best draft pick" and "Best draft class" of the year....GO CARDS!!!!
 
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Re: This is what I'm talkin' about!

Originally posted by CardLogic
The Cardinals did not, by any means get blown out in the Detroit game. In fact, they should have; and would have if not for a few bad turnovers and mistakes.

The Cardinals outplayed the Lions on both offense and defense.
Where there problem areas for the Cards? Well, sure! But the problems and mistakes are very correctable.

This was not the typical Cardinals game that I have seen for the last X (X=you name it) number of years.

They moved down the field and scored on their opening drive!
They dominated the Lions for nearly three quarters!

Then in a flurry of bad plays; punt return, muffed punt, boink - pass bouncing off of B. Johnson's chest, fumble, interception; the game was out of control. So it would seem the Cardinals curse struck again.... Except, I don't believe in that crap!!!
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This team has some good football in it.... starting with a win against Seattle this Sunday!



I agree whole-heartedly. That was not the same old cards playing on Sunday. I still believe this team can win 7 or 8 games, and then look out next year
 

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Originally posted by CardLogic
That's #3 in KO return AVERAGE, not KO return yards.

Coincedentally, the Cards had a better return average than Detroit. Didn't seem so? Why did Detroit have a better start of offensive possesion than the Cards then? Because of poor distance on the KO,s.


Another very interesting stat:

Detroit got 28 of their point with a whopping 71 yards offense:
Punt return - 0 yards, TD;
Drive after muffed punt by Boldin - 36 yards, TD;
Drive after fumble by Blake - 31 yards, TD;
Interception - 0 yards, TD

Very simply this is where the game was lost!

Special Teams mistakes and Turnovers!

By the way Kudo's and credit goes to whoever first posted the numbers as a recap re: Mac's comments after the game. (I can't find the thread to quote it.)


Its actually worse than that. The Lions first TD was a 29 yard drive after some penalties on offense and some very poor execution forced us to punt from our endzone. So that is 35 pts from 100 total yds, pretty pathetic, but also pretty encouraging. ST needs to step it up. Every drive the Lions had that started in there own territory ended in a punt, except one, and it started on there own 42.

We have to do a better job of winning the field position battle this week or it will be a long, ugly game. The only problem I have with the defense is that they didn't hold end the redzone to force some FGs, they have to be able to do that at least some of the time.
 

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Originally posted by Jttsaz
Agreed...I tell you one thing about Kasper...He doesn't dance...he just runs like his life depends on it...kind of reminds me of how Pittman used to run...minus the huge collisions...

:biglaugh:

That is the best way for kick returners to run!

Like a ham running away from Christmas.

Like a turkey running away from Thanksgiving.

Like a kid running from a priest!

Like Britney Spiers running from Kerouc9:D

Peace
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Re: This is what I'm talkin' about!

Originally posted by CardLogic
The Cardinals did not, by any means get blown out in the Detroit game.

Classic post! When I look at the only stat that matters (the scoreboard), it sure seems like the Cards got blown out of this game, by 18 points. When I look at the second-most important stat, turnovers, it seems like the Cards were minus-3.

Do you get dizzy after spinning a post so hard?
 

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Originally posted by RugbyMuffin
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Did someone mention Britney Spears (She's the one on the left)?

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Re: Re: This is what I'm talkin' about!

Originally posted by kerouac9
Classic post! When I look at the only stat that matters (the scoreboard), it sure seems like the Cards got blown out of this game, by 18 points. When I look at the second-most important stat, turnovers, it seems like the Cards were minus-3.

Do you get dizzy after spinning a post so hard?

Where's the spin kerouac?

I stated that the game was lost on Turnovers and poor special team play. I will also throw-in what many have commented, game management sucked. Other than that what I saw on the field was mostly positive. Significant improvement from years past! Sorry, I don't share your negativity!
 

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Re: Re: Re: This is what I'm talkin' about!

Originally posted by CardLogic
Where's the spin kerouac?

I stated that the game was lost on Turnovers and poor special team play. I will also throw-in what many have commented, game management sucked. Other than that what I saw on the field was mostly positive. Significant improvement from years past! Sorry, I don't share your negativity!

I don't know. I guess the spin was saying that "the Cards didn't get blown out by Detroit." That's total "up-is-downism." It's not negativity to say that the Cards allowed Detroit to score toudowns on four of their nine offensive possessions. Nor is it negativity to say that the Cardinals defense allowed Harrington to get to this third or fourth option on passing downs because of lack of pressure. It's just the fact of the matter.

The Cards did a lot of good things during their visit to Ford Field. They played nearly three quarters of football that made them look like a team that belongs in the NFL. They showed good (if molasses-like) offensive playcalling and good execution in the passing game. But, to say that those things mean that the Cardsinals "didn't get blown out" (after losing by 18 points and basically ending the game early in the fourth quarter), is total spin.
 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: This is what I'm talkin' about!

Originally posted by kerouac9
I don't know. I guess the spin was saying that "the Cards didn't get blown out by Detroit." That's total "up-is-downism." It's not negativity to say that the Cards allowed Detroit to score toudowns on four of their nine offensive possessions. Nor is it negativity to say that the Cardinals defense allowed Harrington to get to this third or fourth option on passing downs because of lack of pressure. It's just the fact of the matter.

The Cards did a lot of good things during their visit to Ford Field. They played nearly three quarters of football that made them look like a team that belongs in the NFL. They showed good (if molasses-like) offensive playcalling and good execution in the passing game. But, to say that those things mean that the Cardsinals "didn't get blown out" (after losing by 18 points and basically ending the game early in the fourth quarter), is total spin.


I disagree. I think there is a difference between losing by 18 pts and getting dominated offensively and defensively, and losing by 18 pts and dominating offensively and defensively. The first is an actual blowout, and is discouraging because it means you got dominated athletically alot of times. The second is a bit more encouraging because the mistakes can be fixed in alot of cases. I think we can fix the turnover problem, though not easily. I know we can fix the false start and delay penalties. And I'm hoping we can fix the ST problems. But at least we weren't physically and athletically overmatched which has been the case in the past.
 

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Originally posted by HookemCards2
I disagree. I think there is a difference between losing by 18 pts and getting dominated offensively and defensively, and losing by 18 pts and dominating offensively and defensively. The first is an actual blowout, and is discouraging because it means you got dominated athletically alot of times. The second is a bit more encouraging because the mistakes can be fixed in alot of cases. I think we can fix the turnover problem, though not easily. I know we can fix the false start and delay penalties. And I'm hoping we can fix the ST problems. But at least we weren't physically and athletically overmatched which has been the case in the past.


Which goes to prove that we should have won. But we did not. Losing to a quality opponent is less of an impact than losing by 18 to a team we should have beat.

I do agree that we can fix some of the issues but we will have to be perfect in order to stay in any of our games. And perfect is not a human trait. No one is perfect. This team will not be perfect.
 

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Kerouac possesses the bandwagon mentality that simply looks for the bottom line and keeps the human factor out of it. That's why there's only 21,000 people at games on Sundays. They only want to go if they KNOW the Cardinals are gonna win. These bandwagon jumpers don't want to watch a team to support them for playing hard, giving a good effort, and showing improvement, and making exciting plays. They're only interested in the final score. I'm different, I guess. I want to watch the whole game and THEN want the scoreboard to show more numbers for us and less numbers for them. I wouldn't have ordered DirecTV if I was only interested in the final score.
 

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