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and Deion Sanders just blurted , on the NFL Network Live, that all teams steal signals. Is that cheating?
Is "deflategate over"
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How can we continue to watch the NFL with all the cheating?
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Disappointed in Rice for using stick um and yes it does tarnish his goat status a bit IMO.
I don't like pitchers who throw spit balls etc or batters who cork their bats or put pine tar to far up the barrel etc. etc. etc. Pretty simple in my mind, if it's against the rules you shouldn't do it.
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I'm pretty sure it's not against the rules to steal signals. If a team can figure out the other teams hand signals then that's okay. If you have a good lip reader on your team and can see what the opposition is saying then okay.
Now if Billacheat is caught bugging the other teams locker room or gets caught AGAIN filming other teams practices that is cheating.
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It is a concern for me but my number 1 complaint is the horrific officiating. Followed closely by the over the top rule changes protecting QB's.
I guess there will always be those that believe if you aren't cheating you aren't trying, I'm just not one of those people.
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DeflateGate was an overinflated story to begin with, no pun intended. It was dumb from the start, and became an even bigger circus throughout the investigation and the suspension.
It only exists in the minds of the Patriot haters as a means for discounting the team's dominance the past 15 years.
It only exists in the minds of the Patriot haters as a means for discounting the team's dominance the past 15 years.
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They probably do and if they get caught doing it, they should be suspended.
I've asked before, if the Pats weren't doing this to get an edge, why exactly were they doing it? The people that said the balls magically deflated themselves why exactly did the Pats equipment guy take BOTH TEAMS balls and bring them into a locked room(bathroom I think) with him for several minutes? If doing this was so innocent, or didn't happen at all, why did the guy have the other teams game balls too?
They got caught and rather than face up to it, they lied, and obstructed the investigation. Brady is a great player, at this point it's hard not to say he's the best QB of all time, but they were trying to cheat, given their past history of cheating, I think the NFL did the right thing.
Whose nickname was "The Deflator"!!! But that was because he was trying to lose weight... yeah that's the ticket!
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Come on those texts were taken out of context, the Patriots would have proven that but Brady accidentally destroyed the phone that could have proven it.
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Link?
Never happened. They were accused of this but even the NFL and their mouthpiece ESPN admitted that was incorrect.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=384692
Haters gonna hate.
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Equipment guy took the PATRIOTS balls into the bathroom. Not the Colts balls. Never had the Colts balls. He was in there 90 seconds. just about long enough for a man his age to go the bathroom and wash his hands. Speaking of the Colts balls, they also tested below the legal limits at half time. Funny thing that science. They were tested after the Patriots balls so they had more time to re-acclimate themselves to the ambient temperature but they too were under the"legal limit". So much info that is out there that is simply untrue. If you get a chance, you might want to look into the Wells report and the various reports rebutting it. But it is much easier to just thor out the "cheater" label.
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http://www.espn.com/boston/nfl/stor...cker-room-attendant-deflategate-investigation
This is one link to where the both teams balls comes from, if that is not true please provide a link. Not saying you're wrong, just I've seen that claim before and I've never seen a link provided that refutes the both balls claim.
There is something in that claim that has been refuted, the 11 of 12 balls were underinflated claim, but I haven't seen anywhere where they said the "deflater" didn't have both teams balls. They claim to have it on video so that should have been pretty easy to verify or refute. The one ball they tested that was clearly underinflated was the ball intercepted by D'Qwell Jackson, that is the game ball being used by the Pats. They tested 4 of the Colts balls, all 4 were legal with one gauge, one of them was not legal with the other gauge.
As has been pointed out here before there's a claim by the Colts organization that they notified the NFL after playing the Pats in Week 11 of that year that they believed the Pats were tampering with the footballs. Mike Adams(ex Cardinal DB) had intercepted 2 passes in that game and reported both balls had a "tacky substance on them and felt spongy" and he believed they were both under inflated and that Brady or someone else on the Pats(Wr?) had been using stickum or a similar substance and that's why the balls both felt "tacky."
I have not read the Wells report but I do know that they concluded it was "more probable than not the Patriots were trying to circumvent the rules" and more probable than not that Tom Brady was "generally aware of the deflation."
As for science, "The Wells Report relied on scientific analysis performed by Exponent and supported by Dr. Daniel Marlow, a professor of Physics at Princeton University. This analysis concluded that within the range of game conditions and circumstances studied, no set of environmental or physical factors could account for the loss of air pressure exhibited by the Patriots game balls. The scientific study supported the report's conclusion that the loss of air pressure may be accounted for by human intervention."
Since then the Pats have produced Professors and Scientists who insist Exponent was wrong and some Pats fan filed a huge legal brief accusing Exponent and the NFL of being biased and intentionally misstating the results to make the case against the Pats.
I have no idea who's right, and neither do you.
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Smoke screens with all this other nonsense, sometimes the simple questions lead to the truth, like why did Brady destroy his cell phone?
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Who really lost in deflategate?
1) League - self inflicted wound. Deflategate happened because Goodell has a hard on for the Patriots.
2) Fans - dealing with the nonsense and not having Brady on the field for the first four games.
3) Other 31 teams - beyond motivating the heck out of Brady and the Pats, the league gave the 39 year old Brady what amounted to a nine week advantage. By the time Brady took the field in week 5 all the other players had been enduring the physical and mental strain of the NFL season for nine weeks. Brady did five weeks of training camp / pre-season then had four weeks of no NFL activities to reset.
1) League - self inflicted wound. Deflategate happened because Goodell has a hard on for the Patriots.
2) Fans - dealing with the nonsense and not having Brady on the field for the first four games.
3) Other 31 teams - beyond motivating the heck out of Brady and the Pats, the league gave the 39 year old Brady what amounted to a nine week advantage. By the time Brady took the field in week 5 all the other players had been enduring the physical and mental strain of the NFL season for nine weeks. Brady did five weeks of training camp / pre-season then had four weeks of no NFL activities to reset.
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I don't agree with the first 2 at all. Goodell let the Pats off EASY the first time around and multiple NFL owners blasted him for it. That hardon he has for them developed because the other owners kept telling him you let them off easy last time you better not do that again. That wasn't just his decision it was a mandate from the rest of the NFL owners, put the hammer down.
IMO the first time around Goodell panicked, if we come down with full force this casts a major red flag over several years of games. It makes the integrity of the NFL at risk, we can't have that. Remember in addition to the stuff the NFL made public about them taping other teams play calls and things of that nature there was a bunch of stuff sent to the NFL by other teams. The Giants caught the pats messing with signals at the games so they could hear the other teams. The claim that the mic to Brady's helmet was staying live during plays instead of cutting off. And the worst one IMO several teams indicated that they knew for a fact the Pats had stolen play sheets out of locker rooms, it was so well known that several teams were planting dummy play sheets so the Pats would steal that.
The NFL DID overreact to Deflategate but was entirely because they let them off way too easy the first time and decided it clearly sent the signal to the Pats, keep doing it.
this stuff never stops, there's a guy who posts on a UCLA basketball site who posted yesterday that during testing for the halftime show the technical people for Lady Gaga discovered "unusual interference" they couldn't pinpoint the cause of but luckily it stopped as the half ended. He said nobody knows what it was but of course people immediately wondered are the Pats somehow involved. That's the way lots of people see them now, because they've been caught cheating several times now, people assume the worst.
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