Is Kyler Murray the answer at QB for next year and beyond?

[Stout]

I get it. You don’t think they did enough. I don’t think it mattered.

How could it possibly not matter? If we had added even just one quality FA, as Ouchie said, that's one less gaping roster hole we enter this offseason with.

I know the rallying cry last offseason was we'd roll the cap space over and spend it on more players this coming offseason, but does anyone in their right mind think Monti will spend to fill two or three roster holes with this year's money, and then spend to fill another one with last year's money? Or that Bidwill will foot the bill? Ha!

 

[QuebecCard]

The loud ones make up narratives like this all the time as if they are facts to fit their narrative

It reminds me of a particular politician who'll remain unnamed.

 

[Stout]

It's been a while since Pittsburgh won it all, but they just keep cranking out winning seasons. Wouldn't it be nice to have some stability like that with a franchise? I am hoping this rebuild, is a path to building a longer lasting success.

That said, with Kyler I feel so torn. The eye test is he's not going to carry this team. The stats put out by the NFL and other places, you see him high up on different stat lists, and you think, well he can't be all that bad, right? I am also torn because I am not a believer in the top QBs in the draft. Maye has the size, but can he read defenses? IDK. Tearing out Kyler would be REALLY starting over. Then I think, the ideal situation is to let a guy like Maye learn for a year on the sidelines. That would work perfect with the dead money problem with Kyler. Who knows the real answer. I am glad I am not making the call.

No, dear God, no, I would not want us to be in Pittsburgh's situation for all the ketchup at Heinz! They have been in purgatorial hell for years. Whoop-de-do, they have winning seasons--but haven't won a playoff game in 6 years and have barely been to the playoffs. And for all our QB situation is bad, look at their room.

 

[Stout]

Such as?

I'm not repeating the laundry list for you. It's all on record and we all know it. Why don't you 'tamper; with the search option if you're still curious.

 

[QuebecCard]

How could it possibly not matter? If we had added even just one quality FA, as Ouchie said, that's one less gaping roster hole we enter this offseason with.

I know the rallying cry last offseason was we'd roll the cap space over and spend it on more players this coming offseason, but does anyone in their right mind think Monti will spend to fill two or three roster holes with this year's money, and then spend to fill another one with last year's money? Or that Bidwill will foot the bill? Ha!

The 'Bill' is under the Cap!

And ' NAME" that FA you would have signed and for how much?

 

[Stout]

And? As Slad said, no FA is making a difference to this year

Completely irrelevant, as I've already laid out.

so why not just sign them next offseason and save a year of wasted money that can be rolled over?

We had this conversation before. Which good, young promising players are signing for a team with a QB 2 months into an ACL repair? Anyone that fits that description has several options to sign with so why would you chose the team with the lame QB and an almost certain losing season coming up?

Oh, I dunno, signing them last offseason could have helped with acclimating them to the team, helping the culture, and...oh, yeah, because we're not going to go sign a strong FA class this offseason and then add the FAs we should've signed last offseason.

This is such a stupid argument. Your (and others') argument is that we can have two FA crops of players in one offseason. In what Bidwillian world is that humanly possible? Worst argument I've read in a loooong time lol

 

[Krangodnzr]

I don’t know if Kyler is the answer but it is clear @Krangodnzr really hates Purdy.

I have literally said he is a pretty good player, but more like the 15th best QB, not top five.

I'd put him on par with Derek Carr at his best.

 

[Chopper0080]

Instead of wanting to build up first, I believe most on here would be fully content with a bunch 2020 Houston Texans/Deshaun Watson seasons. That’s the vibe I got from the “unselfish route” post that Chop posted.

How did I catch a stray on this? I never said I was unselfish

 

[Chopper0080]

It’s funny to read how we were predicted to win 3-5 games and now that we’ve won 3 games MO sucks.

Unfortunately you don’t get positive credit for winning 3 games even if you were trying to.

 

[slanidrac16]

Unfortunately you don’t get positive credit for winning 3 games even if you were trying to.

Not saying they should. But we all KNEW it was going to be this year.

 

[AZCB34]

I have literally said he is a pretty good player, but more like the 15th best QB, not top five.

I'd put him on par with Derek Carr at his best.

I’m just effing with you

 

[slanidrac16]

How could it possibly not matter? If we had added even just one quality FA, as Ouchie said, that's one less gaping roster hole we enter this offseason with.

I know the rallying cry last offseason was we'd roll the cap space over and spend it on more players this coming offseason, but does anyone in their right mind think Monti will spend to fill two or three roster holes with this year's money, and then spend to fill another one with last year's money? Or that Bidwill will foot the bill? Ha!

I guess some would be happier if we won 5 or 6 games and drafting 9th.

 

[Chopper0080]

Not saying they should. But we all KNEW it was going to be this year.

Ok. So fair reason for people to still be skeptical of the first time GM and coach whose first season was awful even if it was expected.

 

[Yuma]

Ok. So fair reason for people to still be skeptical of the first time GM and coach whose first season was awful even if it was expected.

I thought last draft was good. I do think we need to see a few to see if it's a trend. How can you not like how this one is set up? It should be a great Cards draft!

 

[Cheesebeef]

Not saying they should. But we all KNEW it was going to be this year.

Sure, but we all KNEW it was going to be this year because we punted on an entire season.

 

[Phrazbit]

This team is awful... I also am not condemning the staff or the front office because I think it was made with the intent of being as bare bones as possible and, as a convenient side effect, awful.

But I dunno how someone can look at this team and think that the goal was to compete and be sitting here now in week 17 and being pleased with the outcome.

We either wanted to be bad and succeeded or we wanted to compete and failed spectacularly.

I can mollify myself in the idea that at least this front office has a vision... which is more than I can say for much of what I have seen here over the years, even if I disagree with their methodology.

Next year is going to be tough... 2 years of deliberate terrible is inexcusable in a league with such parity, but I don't see how they turn this thing around quickly with how devoid this roster is of quality players.

But the Kyler extension was a real screw job to anyone who took this team over... you either pray he can sort out his problems or you're forced into some real brutal decisions.

 

[daves]

Purdy isn't even coming close to Stafford's 2021 numbers because he isn't even close to as good as Stafford is, even though Purdy has a better supporting cast than Stafford did.

HUH?! This is a deranged statement.

Stafford 2021 was 12-5 and had a 102.9 passer rating and 63.8 QBR.
Purdy this year is is 11-4 and has a 112.2 passer rating and 71.7 QBR.

 

[QuebecCard]

Unfortunately you don’t get positive credit for winning 3 games even if you were trying to.

"Credit' will do unless 'negative' credit is a term.

 

[QuebecCard]

I mean sure we’ve been hearing that our wideouts are open. God forbid we hit them in stride.

And it’s tough for a finely tuned timing offense like niners to excel with a QB who wouldn’t know timing if confined to a room full of clocks and watches.

But does time actually exist?

 

[Stout]

I guess some would be happier if we won 5 or 6 games and drafting 9th.

I think the point went right over your helmet. I'd be happier if we're challenging for the playoffs next year rather than drafting in the top 3 again.

 

[slanidrac16]

I think the point went right over your helmet. I'd be happier if we're challenging for the playoffs next year rather than drafting in the top 3 again.

Nothing went over my head. It all started with not signing Murphy and Allen. Both those guys left and guess what? Neither of their teams are going to the playoffs.
What we didn’t sign last year has nothing to do with who we sign this year.
With this pass rush we’d be screaming right now how Murphy new nickname should be toast or defending him how “ he’d be alright if we had a pass rush”.
We would have been wondering why we signed Allen for 15m in return for his 27 tackles and 4 sacks. And on his current team he is surrounded by talent.
Instead we got 46 tackles and 3.5 sacks with Stills, who would have probably been sitting on the bench for about 13m less.

Sorry we differ on how we look at this.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Purdy would be worse because he is mostly throwing to insanely wide open receivers. Purdy would struggle with how little separation the Cardinals receivers get.

It's the same with the McVay offense. Purdy isn't even coming close to Stafford's 2021 numbers because he isn't even close to as good as Stafford is, even though Purdy has a better supporting cast than Stafford did.

At this point you either haven’t watched the niners or you just can’t be objective about the niners due to your cardinal colored glasses. Anyone that’s watched even a bit of the niners knows that Purdy hits his receivers in stride. Murray doesn’t do that even when his receivers are open.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

The loud ones make up narratives like this all the time as if they are facts to fit their narrative

The dumb ones make statements like this to keep the board an awful place for intelligent discussion.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I don’t know if Kyler is the answer but it is clear @Krangodnzr really hates Purdy.

I’m convinced it’s a cardinal fan thing - these are niners we are discussing. He couldn’t accept shanahan was good until the evidence was so strong he looked foolish arguing otherwise. This is the same, except worse, Purdy is proving him wrong in real time.

Same thing as with the rams. For years he’s argued that all their spending and trades were going to land them in the poor house and yet here they are about to make the playoffs again.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Completely irrelevant, as I've already laid out.

Oh, I dunno, signing them last offseason could have helped with acclimating them to the team, helping the culture, and...oh, yeah, because we're not going to go sign a strong FA class this offseason and then add the FAs we should've signed last offseason.

This is such a stupid argument. Your (and others') argument is that we can have two FA crops of players in one offseason. In what Bidwillian world is that humanly possible? Worst argument I've read in a loooong time lol

Particularly for this franchise.