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[Harry]

Considering the Cards history, it’s hard to believe making the playoffs isn’t enough, but I just feel like it isn’t. Despite some early season success the question for me is not can Kingsbury be salvaged. It’s whether Murray can be salvaged if the Cards move on from Kingsbury.

It’s a huge step backwards, but I’m dumping the entire coaching staff, if it were my call. The big issue then becomes Murray. There is no question he’s a great athlete. He’s also the best running QB I’ve ever seen. That said, he may be too fragile to run and even if not he may believe he is too fragile.

The questions about Murray seem endless. Is he a leader? Is he teachable? Is he tough enough? Will he do what it takes to win? You don’t get great athletes every day. I think he should get another year with an experienced, tough love coach. If Murray folds, he folds. With a little luck he has enough sense to swallow his pride and learn the job, rather than stamping himself a failure.

 

[slanidrac16]

Considering the Cards history, it’s hard to believe making the playoffs isn’t enough, but I just feel like it isn’t. Despite some early season success the question for me is not can Kingsbury be salvaged. It’s whether Murray can be salvaged if the Cards move on from Kingsbury.

It’s a huge step backwards, but I’m dumping the entire coaching staff, if it were my call. The big issue then becomes Murray. There is no question he’s a great athlete. He’s also the best running QB I’ve ever seen. That said, he may be too fragile to run and even if not he may believe he is too fragile.

The questions about Murray seem endless. Is he a leader? Is he teachable? Is he tough enough? Will he do what it takes to win? You don’t get great athletes every day. I think he should get another year with an experienced, tough love coach. If Murray folds, he folds. With a little luck he has enough sense to swallow his pride and learn the job, rather than stamping himself a failure.

Harry , could Kyler not be smart enough to grasp Kliffs playbook, no huddle and calling plays at the line?

It seems we very seldom have an easy out for Kyler when things go awry like a crossing route. Everything seems like scattered desperation chaos.

I watch the Rams. Stafford play actions to the left , rolls right and has all day to survey the field. I never see us moving the pocket by design. It seems Kliff relies on Kyler’s athleticism to make a play.

It’s been said McVay runs the same plays from 5 formations. It seems we run the same plays from 30 formations.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Kyler is fine IMO. Injury prone and pouty faced, but dang man...... The kid is asked to do everything. And he's shown that he can do it at an MVP type level for stretches. I'd guess that 20 teams wished they had our QB, and it might be as high as 23 or 24.

We need pass protection above all else with him. And I think it is incumbent upon our coach to scheme our plays in a way that preserves Kylers biggest asset. His insane accuracy (everywhere) when kept clean. He's a top 6 to 8 QB in this league already so I'd lean towards Kliff's schemes and play calls.

As far as Kliff goes. I continue to be unimpressed lately. And before the first 7 games of this season, I have called for his dismissal constantly.

There is only one person on the coaching staff I would prefer to keep. Sean Kugler.

 

[Shane]

Harry , could Kyler not be smart enough to grasp Kliffs playbook, no huddle and calling plays at the line?

It seems we very seldom have an easy out for Kyler when things go awry like a crossing route. Everything seems like scattered desperation chaos.

I watch the Rams. Stafford play actions to the left , rolls right and has all day to survey the field. I never see us moving the pocket by design. It seems Kliff relies on Kyler’s athleticism to make a play.

It’s been said McVay runs the same plays from 5 formations. It seems we run the same plays from 30 formations.

He has easy outs all the damn time and open shorter routes all the time when he is under pressure. He just rarely takes them. He goes for the lower % higher degree of difficulty often. It worked early but hasn’t in several weeks. The commentators say all the time “Kyler should have thrown here he had him wide open”

Not sure where your getting that he doesn’t have hot reads and outs?

 

[slanidrac16]

Kyler is fine IMO. Injury prone and pouty faced, but dang man...... The kid is asked to do everything. And he's shown that he can do it at an MVP type level for stretches. I'd guess that 20 teams wished they had our QB, and it might be as high as 23 or 24.

We need pass protection above all else with him. And I think it is incumbent upon our coach to scheme our plays in a way that preserves Kylers biggest asset. His insane accuracy (everywhere) when kept clean. He's a top 6 to 8 QB in this league already so I'd lean towards Kliff's schemes and play calls.

As far as Kliff goes. I continue to be unimpressed lately. And before the first 7 games of this season, I have called for his dismissal constantly.

There is only one person on the coaching staff I would prefer to keep. Sean Kugler.

I wonder if Kugler would make a good head coach.

 

[Shane]

Kyler is fine IMO. Injury prone and pouty faced, but dang man...... The kid is asked to do everything. And he's shown that he can do it at an MVP type level for stretches. I'd guess that 20 teams wished they had our QB, and it might be as high as 23 or 24.

We need pass protection above all else with him. And I think it is incumbent upon our coach to scheme our plays in a way that preserves Kylers biggest asset. His insane accuracy (everywhere) when kept clean. He's a top 6 to 8 QB in this league already so I'd lean towards Kliff's schemes and play calls.

As far as Kliff goes. I continue to be unimpressed lately. And before the first 7 games of this season, I have called for his dismissal constantly.

There is only one person on the coaching staff I would prefer to keep. Sean Kugler.

No a guy that refuses to put in extra time to study defenses and tendencies because “I just have an ability to see what’s gonna happen” is 100% not fine. He is not a student of the game and doesn’t want to put in the work to actually be the best. It’s disheartening.

 

[slanidrac16]

He has easy outs all the damn time and open shorter routes all the time when he is under pressure. He just rarely takes them. He goes for the lower % higher degree of difficulty often. It worked early but hasn’t in several weeks. The commentators say all the time “Kyler should have thrown here he had him wide open”

Not sure where your getting that he doesn’t have hot reads and outs?

Probably just caught up in the games. I watch other qbs and it seems they calmly find and outlet receiver while Kyler seems to not find his outlet or finds it to late. So is he just stupid?

I’m at a loss.

 

[Dr. Jones]

No a guy that refuses to put in extra time to study defenses and tendencies because “I just have an ankility to see what’s gonna happen” is 100% not fine. He is not a student of the game and doesn’t want to put in the work to actually be the best. It’s disheartening.

Obviously that could change my opinion. Can you point to an article, video, twitch stream or interview where Kyler, his coaches, entourage, or sourced media report where someone has said this is the case?

 

[BigCardsFan]

Fire Kliff/Keim, and bring back Arians as HC/Team pres baby.

 

[Shane]

Obviously that could change my opinion. Can you point to an article, video, twitch stream or interview where Kyler, his coaches, entourage, or sourced media report where someone has said this is the case?

Really? Where have you been the last week?

Who is Kyler Murray?

If you want a better idea of who he is I recommend the piece in today’s New York Times. Here’s a sample, “I think I was blessed with the cognitive skills to just go out there and just see it before it happens,” Murray said. “I’m not one of those guys that’s going to sit there and kill myself...

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[slanidrac16]

Fire Kliff/Keim, and bring back Arians as HC/Team pres baby.

We have a better chance of getting Lombardi. Let’s be a little real.

 

[gimpy]

Coaching, or maybe, lack thereof.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Really? Where have you been the last week?

Who is Kyler Murray?

If you want a better idea of who he is I recommend the piece in today’s New York Times. Here’s a sample, “I think I was blessed with the cognitive skills to just go out there and just see it before it happens,” Murray said. “I’m not one of those guys that’s going to sit there and kill myself...

www.arizonasportsfans.com

Ooof. That's bad. haha. Totally missed it.

I tend to go full on dark mode when we suck and missed it.

 

[Harry]

Obviously that could change my opinion. Can you point to an article, video, twitch stream or interview where Kyler, his coaches, entourage, or sourced media report where someone has said this is the case?

He said it himself in The NY Times article that‘s 3 days old. See the “Who is Kyler Murphy”thread. Your quote from Shane contains a line from it. No I don’t think Murray is stupid. I do think he’s too self-confident. Murray has progressed (he’s learned to pull up to throw when on the run), but there’s still much to learn. Does he believe he needs to learn more? A simpler playbook could help initially. I think those saying he needs a better line has merit and they had one until injuries struck. The cap makes getting good backups tough. The idea Murray could simply elude the rush was always silly. Once they saw his moves, that strategy was doomed. The issue of rolling him out is valid and indicates the general game plan faults. Someone needs to convince Murray to use progressions.

I don‘t think Kugler has the background.