JaMarcus Russell

[Cbus cardsfan]

I have nothing bad to say about Russell, but remember that was The Notre Dame defense...the one that makes every opposing QB look like the next coming of Dan Marino, that he was throwing at.

I think there are 7 decent to good QBs in this draft and Russell is top 2.

I was pretty high on Zbikowski early in the year but every game i have seen him lately he has not looked very good.

 

[lobo]

Notre Dame's defense is small and slow. Jamarcus Russell is going to rip them up.

Meanwhile, Brady Quinn is going to spend all game on his back or running for his life.

Bad game to judge anything. LSU is just so much bigger, faster and is playing at home.

how did you manage to back date this post??? please advise

from what i saw of russell and i watch very carefully...his release is VERY similar to dan marino's....he just snaps them right off!!!

 

[Mitch]

After last night's performance...JaMarcus Russell may have catipaulted into the number one pick. The scouts must have had to wear bibs, they were drooling so much. What a physical specimen and presence (6-6, 265)...and a beautiful snap release.

My New Top Five Projection:

1. OAK: JaMarcus Russell, QB, LSU.

2. DET: Brian Brohm, QB, Louisville.

3. CLE: Adrian Peterson, RB, Oklahoma.

4. TB: Dwayne Jarrett, WR, USC.

5. ARI: Calvin Johnson, WR, Georgia Tech. Too good to pass up--the deep threat the Cardinal offense needs to be Super Bowl contenders.

 

[Russ Smith]

After last night's performance...JaMarcus Russell may have catipaulted into the number one pick. The scouts must have had to wear bibs, they were drooling so much. What a physical specimen and presence (6-6, 265)...and a beautiful snap release.

My New Top Five Projection:

1. OAK: JaMarcus Russell, QB, LSU.

2. DET: Brian Brohm, QB, Louisville.

3. CLE: Adrian Peterson, RB, Oklahoma.

4. TB: Dwayne Jarrett, WR, USC.

5. ARI: Calvin Johnson, WR, Georgia Tech. Too good to pass up--the deep threat the Cardinal offense needs to be Super Bowl contenders.

Out of curiosity assuming Tampa also thinks Johnson is better than Jarrett and takes him, would you take Jarrett?

I don't see any way Johnson isn't the first WR picked, Jarrett is really good and big, but Johnson is as big or bigger, and faster. Todd McShay said today that Johnson is expected to run between 4.35 and 4.39 for scouts based on what he's done in 40's at Tech.

 

[D-Dogg]

You really see Jarrett going that high? If he does come out, that is...

I really like DJ but 4th overall and before CJ is kind of out there, IMO.

 

[az jam]

Jarrett doesn't have the speed of Johnson. Most likely will be 10 - 15.

 

[Gambit]

As I have not seen him play I googled him. Wow. If this kid is not tailor made for Al Davis, I don't know who is. 6'5" with apparently the strongest arm EVER at the position. And the kid has touch, and underrated football smarts. Should he declare, how can Al pass on him?

1. Oakland - Russell
2. Detroit - Quinn
3. Cleveland - Peterson
4. Tampa Bay - Calvin Johnson
5. Arizona - we get Thomas.

It's gonna work out for us.

But allow me to add that Adrian Peterson is my choice for the pick.

He certainly helped his case last night (maybe Quinn took a dive so he woundn't get stuck in raiderland?).

 

[red desert]

After last night's performance...JaMarcus Russell may have catipaulted into the number one pick. The scouts must have had to wear bibs, they were drooling so much. What a physical specimen and presence (6-6, 265)...and a beautiful snap release.

My New Top Five Projection:

1. OAK: JaMarcus Russell, QB, LSU.

2. DET: Brian Brohm, QB, Louisville.

3. CLE: Adrian Peterson, RB, Oklahoma.

4. TB: Dwayne Jarrett, WR, USC.

5. ARI: Calvin Johnson, WR, Georgia Tech. Too good to pass up--the deep threat the Cardinal offense needs to be Super Bowl contenders.

I think Detroit takes Quinn even if Brohm comes out. But who knows. I don't think there is any way Dwayne Jarrett is drafted ahead of Johnson.

Mitch, I do agree with you, however, that the Cards might take Johnson if he is available, even if Thomas is there. I mean, who better would know how to utilize him along with Boldin and Fitz, than Norm Chow. I'm now 50/50 between Rivera and Chow as our new head coach.

What about this. What if Peterson and Johnson are available? Who would you recommend the Cards take?

 

[Duckjake]

What about this. What if Peterson and Johnson are available? Who would you recommend the Cards take?

Darrelle Revis to play opposite Rolle at CB.

 

[vinnymac]

After last night's performance...JaMarcus Russell may have catipaulted into the number one pick. The scouts must have had to wear bibs, they were drooling so much. What a physical specimen and presence (6-6, 265)...and a beautiful snap release.

My New Top Five Projection:

1. OAK: JaMarcus Russell, QB, LSU.

2. DET: Brian Brohm, QB, Louisville.

3. CLE: Adrian Peterson, RB, Oklahoma.

4. TB: Dwayne Jarrett, WR, USC.

5. ARI: Calvin Johnson, WR, Georgia Tech. Too good to pass up--the deep threat the Cardinal offense needs to be Super Bowl contenders.

i have a feeling brohm going to stay in school and come out next season. especially if the head coach stays in louisville. i don't think people have brohm rated that high after the wake forest game.

 

[Ohio Cards Fan]

As I have not seen him play I googled him. Wow. If this kid is not tailor made for Al Davis, I don't know who is. 6'5" with apparently the strongest arm EVER at the position. And the kid has touch, and underrated football smarts. Should he declare, how can Al pass on him?

1. Oakland - Russell
2. Detroit - Quinn
3. Cleveland - Peterson
4. Tampa Bay - Calvin Johnson
5. Arizona - we get Thomas.

It's gonna work out for us.

But allow me to add that Adrian Peterson is my choice for the pick.

What in recent history makes you think that spending a top 5 pickon an offensive lineman (not to mention the money on such a high pick) is a worthwhile pick? This is not an attack. It is an honest question. Players like D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Leonard Davis, and Robert Gallery pop into my mind. Decent lineman?...yes. Worth a top 5 pick?...no. I would let some other team waste their pick on Thomas and address the O-line via free agency and later rounds.

 

[Zeno]

What in recent history makes you think that spending a top 5 pickon an offensive lineman (not to mention the money on such a high pick) is a worthwhile pick? This is not an attack. It is an honest question. Players like D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Leonard Davis, and Robert Gallery pop into my mind. Decent lineman?...yes. Worth a top 5 pick?...no. I would let some other team waste their pick on Thomas and address the O-line via free agency and later rounds.

I'm pretty sure by all accounts Ferguson had an outstanding rookie year.

You can try to build the O-Line through free agency--but their aren't any worthwhile free agents, the best out there is already on our roster (LDavis) and hoping you strike it rich with late rounders is a risky proposition.

While you can name players like Gallery--you can also name players like Ogden and Pace. I'm willing to bet without looking it up the majority of Pro Bowl OTs were picked in the first 2 rounds.

 

[Ohio Cards Fan]

I'm pretty sure by all accounts Ferguson had an outstanding rookie year.

You can try to build the O-Line through free agency--but their aren't any worthwhile free agents, the best out there is already on our roster (LDavis) and hoping you strike it rich with late rounders is a risky proposition.

While you can name players like Gallery--you can also name players like Ogden and Pace. I'm willing to bet without looking it up the majority of Pro Bowl OTs were picked in the first 2 rounds.

My point is that the drop off in talent, or BPA, between early rounds and later rounds is greater for skill positions than line positions. Better values can be had in the first two rounds outside of the OL positions.

Lines are judged as units. The players you named are nothing without supporting casts. Lets not waste more money on an overrated (for all intended purposes) top 5 draft pick lineman.

 

[Zeno]

My point is that the drop off in talent, or BPA, between early rounds and later rounds is greater for skill positions than line positions. Better values can be had in the first two rounds outside of the OL positions.

This is false. You are much more likely to find a contributor at WR or RB in the later rounds than you would at OL. You could probably make the case for positions like DT, FB but not OL.

 

[D-Dogg]

Colston

seventh round

 

[red desert]

What in recent history makes you think that spending a top 5 pickon an offensive lineman (not to mention the money on such a high pick) is a worthwhile pick? This is not an attack. It is an honest question. Players like D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Leonard Davis, and Robert Gallery pop into my mind. Decent lineman?...yes. Worth a top 5 pick?...no. I would let some other team waste their pick on Thomas and address the O-line via free agency and later rounds.

I don't like the idea of spending a top 5 pick on an o-lineman, which is why I added the last comment to the post. I want Peterson. However, thomas seems to be the flavor of the week on this board, thus my comment that it may work out for us.

 

[vinnymac]

gaines adams all the way

 

[Ohio Cards Fan]

This is false. You are much more likely to find a contributor at WR or RB in the later rounds than you would at OL. You could probably make the case for positions like DT, FB but not OL.

Not false. There will always be exceptions. Play the odds. Drop off in production will always decrease more with picks in LATER rounds (not necessarily second round) for skill positions than O-lineman.

 

[Zeno]

Case in point all 6 Pro Bowl OTs were drafted in the first round.

 

[Zeno]

Not false. There will always be exceptions. Play the odds. Drop off in production will always decrease more with picks in LATER rounds (not necessarily second round) for skill positions than O-lineman.

Show me the proof. As far as I know the only later round pick to play OT on one of this years playoff teams is Black with KC.

Colston--best rookie WR--1,000 yd was a 7th round pick.
Rod Smith--undrafted.
Willie Parker--Pro Bowler--UNdrafted
Steve Smith--Pro Bowler--Third Round
Frank Gore--Pro Bowler--Third round
Donald Driver--Pro Bowler--7th Round


Not a single OT in the Pro Bowl was drafted outside of round 1.

 

[Ohio Cards Fan]

Case in point all 6 Pro Bowl OTs were drafted in the first round.

And like I said, every Pro Bowl O-lineman has a supporting cast to thank. I would rather draft a skill player stud that could stand alone in the first round.

 

[D-Dogg]

DUDE.

Those skill players can't do anything without their OLINE. It is the most important unit in football.

Why do you think we've sucked so hard?

 

[Zeno]

And like I said, every Pro Bowl O-lineman has a supporting cast to thank. I would rather draft a skill player stud that could stand alone in the first round.

Every skill player has a supporting cast too...fact is you are more likely to strike it rich in later rounds with skill position players than OT. Thats a fact--unless you can show me anything that proves otherwise.

There are more late round play makers contributing to their teams than OTs. I'm not talking OGs because I think we are set there but OTs, a position we have a desperate need especially if Davis walks with or without compensation.

If we go BPA, Kiper has Joe Thomas #2 on his big board and Scouts, Inc has him #1. He likely won't be there when we pick anyway but if he is we'd be stupid to pass on him hoping we can hit the lotto in later rounds on some other OT.

 

[Duckjake]

Every skill player has a supporting cast too...fact is you are more likely to strike it rich in later rounds with skill position players than OT. Thats a fact--unless you can show me anything that proves otherwise.

There are more late round play makers contributing to their teams ....

That's one big reason the Cards have struggled so much. They seldom get any late round play makers. Blue collar guys and guys who play about as or worse than expected but hardly ever do they get a guy who comes in and vastly exceed expectations. An example would be if Boldin had been a 4th or 5th instead of a 2nd.

 

[Chopper0080]

more the reason that we should spend a high pick on an offensive lineman.