Jan. 29th WIll Kidd be the next to go?

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Will Kidd be the next Net to go?

By Chad Ford
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Thursday, January 29


Why the obsession over Jason Kidd's role in firing Byron Scott?
Rod Thorn denies it. Kidd is adamant he had nothing to do with it. Scott feels like he and Kidd are friends. But just about everyone in the media believes all three men are lying through their teeth on the subject.
Will we ever get to the bottom of the mystery? More importantly, do we really need to?
Say what you will about Scott's two consecutive Finals appearances, but this season's Nets, to put it delicately, stink. The fire and passion the team had the last two years are gone. Is that Scott's fault? Probably. The players? Probably.
My guess is that after two straight beatings in the Finals, the loss of Alonzo Mourning dampened spirts to the point where the Nets took a look at the Western Conference and collectively said, "Why bother?"
How many times do you climb Mount Everest knowing that, despite your best effort, you're not going to reach the summit with the team you have?
Scott is checking the want ads right now because Thorn didn't believe Scott was going to get the Nets any further than he already had. Clearly Kidd believed this as well. Was Thorn's decision based entirely on Kidd's feeling on the matter. It's highly unlikely. Was he influenced by it? Sure, just as every other GM in the league would've been. Most teams would be happy with multiple Finals appearances, even without the ultimate victory. Thorn and Kidd don't think that way. Both are playing for a championship. They've done second place and were ready for something else.
The question no one seems to be asking right now as we collectively point fingers Kidd's way is ... what is that something else?
Lawrence Frank? Please. I don't care if he is the second coming of Jeff Van Gundy. Frank, I'm fairly confident, can't go out and stop Tim Duncan or Shaquille O'Neal in a seven-game series.
Jim O'Brien? I like the sound of that. The Nets are talented offensively and have the tools defensively to turn into an all-around team. O'Brien would be a perfect fit in New Jersey. But again, even with O'Brien's experience and coaching savvy, I don't think it's enough to get the Nets past any of the top five teams in the West.
Thorn and Kidd don't believe that either. They know that without a healthy Mourning patrolling the middle, the West is too strong. They know that the Mavs, Lakers, T-Wolves, Spurs and Kings are going to stay that way for the next several years. They also know that there's little the Nets can do about it in the short run.



The Nets would be better off in the long run if Kidd (left) and Tony Parker (right) switched uniforms.
The Nets are way over the cap. The team is about to be sold, which is a good thing, but the Nets are still a few years away from being relocated to Brooklyn. Their franchise player, Kidd, will be 31 in March. Their second-best player, Kenyon Martin, is heading into free agency and, right now, it looks like the Nets can't afford to re-sign him if he gets a big offer somewhere else. Their best big man, Mourning, is retiring, but his contract won't come off the books for two more seasons. Their second-best big man is playing for the Knicks and won't come off the books until the summer of 2005. Richard Jefferson and Jason Collins are also eyeing free agency in 2005. Their best young prospect, Eddie Griffin, just went back into rehab. The team has no bench and very little cap flexibility to use its mid-level exception to get more help there.
If that doesn't sound like a rosy picture of the top team in the Atlantic, it's because the Nets have some serious problems. Not problems like the Bulls or Hawks have problems, but real problems when you figure out that their goal is to win a championship, and they no longer have the flexibility to make the moves necessary to get that done.
Isn't just a matter of time before the wolves turn on Kidd? Like it or not, the heat is now on him to prove that dumping Scott was the right move for the Nets to make. If they continue to struggle, or if they lose a player like Martin in free agency this summer, their window will abruptly close and Kidd will have to take the fall.
This gets me back to the story first reported on Insider a little over a month ago. It's time for Thorn and Kidd to sit down and agree to amicable breakup. Kidd, and the nice collection of young players Thorn put together in New Jersey, got the Nets further up the mountain than any other team in the East the past two seasons. They aren't reaching the summit as long as Kidd wears a Nets uniform.
That's not a dig on Kidd who, in my mind, is still the best point guard in the NBA. Kidd's presence absolutely turned around one of the worst franchises in the league. The Nets' two runs at the Finals were amazing. Nor is it a dig on Thorn, who put together a team he felt could win it all.
The challenge now is for Thorn to recognize that, if he chooses to rebuild right now, the Nets can remain more than respectable and reload for the next 10 years. If he waits another year or two before coming to the decision, Kidd's chance at a championship and the Nets' ability to rebuild quickly will be destroyed.
There's precedent here. Donnie Walsh started blowing up his Pacers the summer after they competed in the NBA Finals when he decided to trade away Antonio Davis for the draft rights to 18-year-old Jonathan Bender. The next year he shipped Dale Davis out of town for an underachieving kid in Portland named Jermaine O'Neal. The fans freaked out, but Walsh knew what he was doing.
"I just felt we had come as far as we were going to go," Walsh told Insider. "I knew we could compete for the Eastern Conference championship a few more years, but at what price? I didn't want to be engaged in a 10 year rebuilding process just to keep winning the East. The goal of any franchise is to win it all. I knew if I started when we started, we'd have a chance to rebuild without ever getting really bad. I think that's important. You can't underestimate keeping a winning culture in place on a team."
The Pacers are now fully reloaded and sport the best record in the East. This time, however, they are stacked with young players at almost every position. Their window, barring a tragic injury or two, should be open for the next six to seven years.
How does Thorn do it? By trading Kidd to the Spurs. Kidd wants to play there. He believes that if he's paired up with the Tim Duncan, the Spurs have as good a shot as any team to win it all. The Spurs want him there and have the assets to make a trade that makes sense for Thorn.
What makes sense for both teams? If the Nets sent Kidd and Brandon Armstrong to San Antonio for Tony Parker, Ron Mercer and Robert Horry, both sides could come out of this big winners.
The Spurs, with the addition of Kidd, would be instant favorites (yes, even over the Lakers) to win the NBA title for the next few seasons.
The Nets, with the addition of Parker, secure a young, dynamic point guard who just happens to be 10 years younger than Kidd. In New Jersey's offensive scheme, Parker would have the chance to be an all-star. Mercer and Horry both come off the books this summer, clearing enough room for the Nets to re-sign Martin and stay under the luxury tax.
In the summer of 2005, Kerry Kittles and Mutombo come off the books, which will free up enough room for the Nets to pay Parker, Jefferson and Collins without getting back into luxury-tax land. When you figure into the equation that center Nenad Kristic (one of the best young centers in Europe) and last year's first-round pick, Zoran Planinic, are also on the team, the Nets suddenly have one of the best young teams in the league with a much lower price tag.
There's no reason to believe that a team this talented couldn't at least secure an eighth seed in the East. Within a two-year window, they could easily be battling the Pacers and Pistons again for the conference title. The difference this time is that the team would be looking at a six-year window to get to the Finals and defeat a team in the West.
Given the financial realities that face the Nets right now, it may be the only way to get the spending under control and keep a good, young team on the floor.

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Nice write up Chad. Let's face it...With the cap the way it is, each team can only pay two enormous salaries out there for two big stars. The Lakers have Kobe and Shaq and the Spurs, if they acquire Kidd, will have his salary and Duncan. Only an aging superstar like Malone, who has some money that he wisely invested and wants a ring, will sell his soul for a million. The teams with the best centers will win because they are the only ones with the ability to sign former superstars to compliment their present players and stay somewhere near the top of the cap with no or little penalty.

When Shaq calls it quits, then and only then, will the league return to some type of normalcy where at least 6 other teams have a good chance to win the championship.
 

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Wow - nice article. Thanks for sharing it with everyone.:thumbup:

It sure does look like the nets window of opportunity is almost closed and I do like the background regarding the indiana pacers on how their loaded for 6-7 years.

It makes me wonder if the suns (as well as the rest of the league) were looking at the pacers blueprint.
 

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Originally posted by Djaughe
Wow - nice article. Thanks for sharing it with everyone.:thumbup:

It sure does look like the nets window of opportunity is almost closed and I do like the background regarding the indiana pacers on how their loaded for 6-7 years.

It makes me wonder if the suns (as well as the rest of the league) were looking at the pacers blueprint.

Not quite. The Pacers made several brilliant trades to get to where they are now. The Suns are doing through the draft. But the same concept is in place: focus on getting a core of quality young player who can grow into a top team.

BTW, this did not involve massive salaries for free agents. Other than O'Neal, they do not have any other max contracts.
 

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Other than O'Neal, they do not have any other max contracts.

No, but they do have $13 million this season sunk into Croshere and Pollard combined, who are giving them squat and each on the books until at least 2006. So it's not quite all rosy in Indiana.
 
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They are doing a good job in Indiana with their salaries. Although they have some salaries that they are paying and will have to pay for a few years that are not working for them.

Hopefully the suns will be in better shape in a year or two.

Not sure this will come out looking right.
They are are doing the same think that insider is doing. You can not copy and paste from Hoopshype anymore. They are making it tough for us guys.......!
---------------------------------------------------------------
Player 2003/04 2004/05 2005/06 2006/07
Jermaine O'Neal $13,135,000 $14,782,500 $16,425,000 $18,067,500
Austin Croshere $7,610,000 $8,260,000 $8,910,000 $9,560,000
Al Harrington $5,690,000 $6,250,000 $6,875,000 $0
Jonathan Bender $5,680,000 $6,390,000 $7,100,000 $7,810,000
Scot Pollard $5,309,563 $5,792,250 $6,274,937 $0
Ron Artest $5,200,000 $5,850,000 $6,500,000 $7,150,000
Reggie Miller $5,000,000 $0 $0
Danny Ferry $4,545,000 $0 $0 $0
Jeff Foster $3,800,000 $4,275,000 $4,750,000 $5,225,000
Fred Jones $1,506,000 $1,572,480 $2,328,842 $0
Kenny Anderson $1,070,000 $0 $0 $0
Primoz Brezec $861,600 $1,554,326 $2,305,066 $0
Jamaal Tinsley $861,600 $1,554,326 $2,305,066 $0
Anthony Johnson $813,679 $932,546 $0 $0
Jamison Brewer $638,679 $0 $0 $0
James Jones $366,931 $0 $0 $0

TOTALS: $57,543,052 $57,213,428 $56,834,937 $47,812,500

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Originally posted by George O'Brien
Not quite. The Pacers made several brilliant trades to get to where they are now. The Suns are doing through the draft. But the same concept is in place: focus on getting a core of quality young player who can grow into a top team.

BTW, this did not involve massive salaries for free agents. Other than O'Neal, they do not have any other max contracts.


True to everything you said!

Its amazing that we can call the Pacers trades brilliant whereas at the time some people were scoffing at Indiana for daring to rebuild with youth core.

Its also impresive that they had the vision to predict how a couple of 18 yr. olds would turn out.
 

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Originally posted by Djaughe
True to everything you said!

Its amazing that we can call the Pacers trades brilliant whereas at the time some people were scoffing at Indiana for daring to rebuild with youth core.

Its also impresive that they had the vision to predict how a couple of 18 yr. olds would turn out.

Their only true blunder was with Austin Croshere. They made a classic mistake in assuming Croshere was ready to become a star before he was ready. They talked about him on Channel 45 last night, that he admitted that he could not deal with the pressure his big contract created.

I think Pollard will work out although he is a bit overpaid. He is having a terrible year, but he was a decent backup with the Kings. Two years ago he put up very respectable numbers: 6.4 ppg and 7.1 rpg in 23 minutes.
 

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Another mistake the Pacers made was in drafting Bender ahead of Marion and some other nice players. That was a wasted lottery pick to be sure.
 

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Originally posted by se7en
Another mistake the Pacers made was in drafting Bender ahead of Marion and some other nice players. That was a wasted lottery pick to be sure.

They took Bender ahead of Maggette too.
 
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