Jason Kidd

[fatosber]

What do you people think ? Is he going to be the same old (best point guard in NBA) or now its NASH's and Marbury's time . ?

 

[sunsfn]

It will be interesting, because this is the same operation that Penny Hardaway had and he was not the same afterwards.

 

[jibikao]

Well, I never consider Jason Kidd "the best" no matter what people say about him.

I've always prefered Nash over Kidd because Nash can shoot. Although Kidd has a bit height advantage over Nash and he can drive in to score more.

Anyway, Kidd DOES NOT want to stay in Nets. Look at Nets!! They are clearly in a re-building situation and do you think a veteran like Kidd wants to spend his precious years at Nets? They were fine with K-Mart and Kittles but now they need to start from the ground level. It's quite sad...

But I love it when Nash is shining over Kidd!! LOL

Jimmy

 

[scoutmasterdave]

Kidd has two advantages over Nash - defense and rebounding. Kidd is a much better defender, and averages around 6 boards a game. He's only an inch taller, but is much stronger.

All in all, I'd rather have Nash on this team. He's a deadly shooter and is perfect for this team. And he's not a punk...

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Kidd has two advantages over Nash - defense and rebounding. Kidd is a much better defender, and averages around 6 boards a game. He's only an inch taller, but is much stronger.

All in all, I'd rather have Nash on this team. He's a deadly shooter and is perfect for this team. And he's not a punk...

I actually think this knee surgery could hurt his rebounding an defense a lot more than his offense.

 

[jibikao]

Kidd has two advantages over Nash - defense and rebounding. Kidd is a much better defender, and averages around 6 boards a game. He's only an inch taller, but is much stronger.

All in all, I'd rather have Nash on this team. He's a deadly shooter and is perfect for this team. And he's not a punk...

Kidd is a punk? LOL

Well, are you sure Kidd is only an inch taller than Nash? How come Nash looks so small on the court? Maybe he has short legs and hands. And I don't even think Nash can carry the ball with one palm. LOL That's a big disadvantage right there.

Anyway, Kidd is just as old and I can't imagine him doing any better. I think he has already passed his prime.... unless he got traded to a GREAT team.

Right now I think Denver needs him. I know Mavs needs a guard but the fact that they just signed a new guard may also mean that they are not looking for Kidd. Oh well...

Jimmy

 

[slinslin]

Kidd is a punk? LOL


Jimmy

Umm, yes?

 

[sunsfn]

I actually think this knee surgery could hurt his rebounding an defense a lot more than his offense.

Seeing that he has no offense, probably.....!

 

[devilalum]

I don't think there is a single player who has completely recovered from that microfracture surgery.

I hope J. Kidd recovers well enough to lead a fruitful life outside of basketball. Owning a car dealership in Jersey and making cheesy tv commercials.

"We'll give you the lowest price guarenteed and for a limited time get a free bikini car wash from Joumana and let TJ will bless your baby."

 

[jibikao]

Umm, yes?

What did Kidd do that make him a punk?

Don't get me wrong, I never like Kidd. I've always prefered Stockton and Nash. LOL I was just curious to see why you said he is a punk. I've been trying to find evidence that makes me hate him.
(sorry, I am a bit weird tonight...)

Jimmy

 

[Cheesebeef]

What did Kidd do that make him a punk?

Don't get me wrong, I never like Kidd. I've always prefered Stockton and Nash. LOL I was just curious to see why you said he is a punk. I've been trying to find evidence that makes me hate him.
(sorry, I am a bit weird tonight...)

Jimmy

I believe hitting his wife in front of his kid over a french fry and being involved in a ridiculous love triangle between Jimmy Jackson and some pop singer which tore Dallas apart and being involved in either a hit and run or dometsic abuse case in college, not to mention the sour grapes he showed when he was traded is why we think he's a punk.

 

[Sundance]

Punk=The whole wife beating thing?

Anyway...

For Kidd being such a great defender, Nash has sure gotten the best of him the past few years when they went head to head.

 

[George O'Brien]

Kidd used to be an exceptional defender, but I don't think I'm the only one who felt his defense had been dropping off in the last few years. I think he is going to be like Gary Payton who can push the ball but no longer dominate.

 

[jibikao]

I believe hitting his wife in front of his kid over a french fry and being involved in a ridiculous love triangle between Jimmy Jackson and some pop singer which tore Dallas apart and being involved in either a hit and run or dometsic abuse case in college, not to mention the sour grapes he showed when he was traded is why we think he's a punk.

Oh, keep going! These stories excite me!!! LOL

Really? Is that why the 3 J were taken apart in Dallas because of a freaking love triangle? So I guess Jim Jackson hates Kidd??

What kind of sour grapes he showed? When he was traded from Mavs to Suns or from Suns to Nets?

Well, personality-wise, I haven't heard any negative things about Nash except he loves playing his guitar with Dirk and they are very good friends. Nash's dad even wrote letters to Dirk and encourage him to visit them. Dirk said that it was Nash that held him together in a foreign country and helped him to become the player he is today. Kudos for both of them. Too bad they are separated right now but career-wise, I think Dirk is better left alone, unsuperivised. LOL

Jimmy

 

[PetryJr]

What kind of sour grapes he showed? When he was traded from Mavs to Suns or from Suns to Nets?

When he was traded from the Suns to the Nets, Kidd badmouthed the Suns organization and the city of Phoenix.

 

[jibikao]

When he was traded from the Suns to the Nets, Kidd badmouthed the Suns organization and the city of Phoenix.

Oh..shame on him then!!

Jimmy

 

[slinslin]

Jason Kidd was never a great defender. He was versatile but not great at all.

He always got lit up by quick guards.

 

[Joe Mama]

Jason Kidd was never a great defender. He was versatile but not great at all.

He always got lit up by quick guards.

Jason Kidd was a top-notch defender. It's difficult to argue that. Sure, the quicker guards gave him trouble (I complained about that often when he was with the Suns), but they give most players trouble. Usually if someone is quick enough to guard one of these fast point guards they aren't strong enough to guard many of the other point guards in the league.

What made Jason Kidd special as a defender was his ability to guard and shut down most point guards, many shooting guards, and a lot of times small forwards. If Steve Nash or Barbosa could defend nearly as well as Jason Kidd this team would probably be undefeated right now.

Joe Mama

 

[JCSunsfan]

Jason Kidd was a top-notch defender. It's difficult to argue that. Sure, the quicker guards gave him trouble (I complained about that often when he was with the Suns), but they give most players trouble. Usually if someone is quick enough to guard one of these fast point guards they aren't strong enough to guard many of the other point guards in the league.

What made Jason Kidd special as a defender was his ability to guard and shut down most point guards, many shooting guards, and a lot of times small forwards. If Steve Nash or Barbosa could defend nearly as well as Jason Kidd this team would probably be undefeated right now.

Joe Mama

Good assessment of his strengths.

Opposing guards so disrespected his shooting that they would customarily drop below any picks set to free Jason. This is why he was such a liability in the half court.

He also would inexplicably dish his way out of easy shots. It was so frustrating to watch Jason take the ball to an open rim, and then dish to a suprised teammate standing at the free throw line. You almost got the impression that he was trying to pad his assist stats at the expense of his own high percentage shots.

 

[Joe Mama]

Good assessment of his strengths.

Opposing guards so disrespected his shooting that they would customarily drop below any picks set to free Jason. This is why he was such a liability in the half court.

He also would inexplicably dish his way out of easy shots. It was so frustrating to watch Jason take the ball to an open rim, and then dish to a suprised teammate standing at the free throw line. You almost got the impression that he was trying to pad his assist stats at the expense of his own high percentage shots.

oh yeah. I was talking only about his defense. I believe Jason Kidd is probably the best fast-break player of all time. I know Magic Johnson's fans would probably argue that, but JK is so fast with the ball and pushes the ball so much and I think he is better.

That said, I would take Steve Nash's offensive game any day over the week over Jason Kidd's. Nash can push the ball very well, but he can also generate offense in the half-court much better than JK. Most importantly he is an excellent shooter.

Now defense is another story.

Joe Mama

 

[jibikao]

oh yeah. I was talking only about his defense. I believe Jason Kidd is probably the best fast-break player of all time. I know Magic Johnson's fans would probably argue that, but JK is so fast with the ball and pushes the ball so much and I think he is better.

That said, I would take Steve Nash's offensive game any day over the week over Jason Kidd's. Nash can push the ball very well, but he can also generate offense in the half-court much better than JK. Most importantly he is an excellent shooter.

Now defense is another story.

Joe Mama

Remember Nash was appointed as a Shooting Guard by Suns the first 1-2 years? I think Nash said he wasn't very comfortable with it.

Anyway, speaking about Nash being able to shoot the ball, HOLY COW... what's up with that 56% field goal and still score 16pt per game? Wow..man. That's HOT. I know Nash is quite accurate this year but not like 56% smoking hot for a guard.

Jimmy

 

[Ryanwb]

I don't think there is a single player who has completely recovered from that microfracture surgery.

Bruce Smith... played 7 full seasons after his surgery

 

[George O'Brien]

We'll see if Kidd is still the defender he used to be. Even when he was with the Suns, there was a concern that he Kidd was having problems with quick PG's and was gambling too much rather than playing lock down defense. I'm not sure that Nash would be much less than Kidd on defense this season even if it weren't for the surgery. Kidd is just not as good a defender as he used to be.

What Kidd probably retains that Nash won't ever have is the ability to be a great rebounder. I think that only Magic was a better rebounder at PG than Kidd. None the less, Nash grabs 3.1 rpg which is not bad considering his size.

 

[JCSunsfan]

What Kidd probably retains that Nash won't ever have is the ability to be a great rebounder. I think that only Magic was a better rebounder at PG than Kidd. None the less, Nash grabs 3.1 rpg which is not bad considering his size.

But rebounding is really a luxury more than a necessity for a pg. Its like having a 5 that can shoot the 3.

 

[George O'Brien]

But rebounding is really a luxury more than a necessity for a pg. Its like having a 5 that can shoot the 3.

The thing is that PG rebounds typically trigger fast breaks. Kidd was especially good at that.

BTW, I think Nash's skill as a passer had actually been underrated going into this season because he played on a team which was dominated by shooters rather than athletes. Jamison was the only super athlete type he has had, while this year all of the other starters can fly. Some of those three quarter court alley oop passes would not be passible with most of the Mavs teams he played with.