Jazz at Suns 4-4-15

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The Jazz play at the Suns tonight with a 7 p.m. Arizona start time.

Paul Coro @paulcoro · 2h 2 hours ago

Brandon Knight will not play in #SunsVsJazz tonight. This will be his 11th missed game in the 12 games since spraining his ankle.

I'm beginning to wonder about this ankle thing.

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Here are the starting lineups for both teams from Paul Coro at azentral. The Suns and Jazz appear to be two teams going in opposite directions.

JAZZ (34-41) at SUNS (38-38)

Tip-off: 7 p.m. (Phoenix time) TV: FSAZ

C:Rudy Gobert … Brandan Wright

PF: Derrick Favors … Markieff Morris

SF: Gordon Hayward … Marcus Morris

SG:Joe Ingles … P.J. Tucker

PG: Dante Exum … Eric Bledsoe

Key Jazz reserves: Trey Burke, Trevor Booker, Elijah Millsap, Chris Johnson, Jeremy Evans

Key Jazz injuries: Alec Burks (left shoulder) is out. Rodney Hood (concussion) is day-to-day. Grant Jerrett is on D-League assignment.

Utah is one of the few younger and more inexperienced teams than the Suns but is experiencing opposite momentum in its season. The Jazz, under first-year coach Quin Snyder, quickly fell out of contention at 6-19 and then leveled out its season to get to 17-33 before going on the current 17-8 closing stretch.

A trade-deadline deal that sent Enes Kanter to Oklahoma City put 22-year-old French center Rudy Gobert (the "Stifle Tower") permanently in the starting job. Since the All-Star break, Gobert has been the back line of a defense that is allowing a league-low 86.6 points per game.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/spor...ame-preview-suns-jazz-orange-slices/25295321/
 

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The Jazz don't have an easy schedule but I could see them tying or even passing us by if they beat us. Looking at their starting roster for tonight, a win in Phoenix seems likely. In the match-ups they appear to hold a huge advantage at center, a huge advantage at power forward, a huge advantage at small forward, a solid disadvantage at the shooting guard spot and a huge disadvantage at the point position. Does anyone see the advantages differently?
 

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This looks to be the pivotal game - its a two game swing because whoever wins it has the tie breaker. If we win they have to win all the rest of their games to pass us, even if we lose all of ours - and they have four games against teams fighting for playoff position in the West. Its not so clear cut an advantage if they win - they still need three wins even if we lose all of ours - which is not that improbable as all our games after this one are against playoff teams including Atlanta from the EC. Most likely we will eke out one win so they have to win four of six - no easy feat. Overall I'd say its close to 50-50 who finishes ahead, maybe slightly in our favor...
 

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This looks to be the pivotal game - its a two game swing because whoever wins it has the tie breaker. If we win they have to win all the rest of their games to pass us, even if we lose all of ours - and they have four games against teams fighting for playoff position in the West. Its not so clear cut an advantage if they win - they still need three wins even if we lose all of ours - which is not that improbable as all our games after this one are against playoff teams including Atlanta from the EC. Most likely we will eke out one win so they have to win four of six - no easy feat. Overall I'd say its close to 50-50 who finishes ahead, maybe slightly in our favor...

We probably finish ahead of them even if we lose tonight but it's not the given it appeared to be 2 months ago.
 
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The Jazz don't have an easy schedule but I could see them tying or even passing us by if they beat us. Looking at their starting roster for tonight, a win in Phoenix seems likely. In the match-ups they appear to hold a huge advantage at center, a huge advantage at power forward, a huge advantage at small forward, a solid disadvantage at the shooting guard spot and a huge disadvantage at the point position. Does anyone see the advantages differently?

I see Gobert's defense as the primary problem for the Suns tonight. The Suns advantage is at PG with Bledsoe but the Suns do not have anyone backing him up as good as Trey Burke. Also, the Suns are not strong at SG either. I'd like to see Hornacek play Warren more at SF so collectively they are not that weak at that position.

Going off on a tangent, the Suns future is Bledsoe, Wright, Len, Goodwin, Warren and maybe Bogdanovic. The Morris twins are good enough, especially Markieff, if the Suns were solid at center. This is why I wanted the Suns to go after Kanter. Then they could add another FC in the draft and be much stronger. However, I think the Suns are likely to make a trade come draft time... maybe Knight. I do not like what Hornacek is doing with the guards and player rotations.
 
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Just my opinion. The NBA should not play any games that interferes with the Final Four in NCAA basketball.
 
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A change for the Jazz for tonight's game.

Paul Coro @paulcoro · 14m 14 minutes ago

Trey Burke (sore lower back) will not play in #SunsVsJazz tonight. Rodney Hood will start with Exum, Hayward, Favors and Gobert.

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So it is Wisconsin versus Duke for the national championship game.
 

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Warren rewarded for his excellent play the other night with very limited minutes through the 1st half and 3rd quarter.
 
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Warren rewarded for his excellent play the other night with very limited minutes through the 1st half and 3rd quarter.

Warren got into foul trouble in the third quarter. He was reported earlier with 5 PFs although that is no reason he should not be playing now.
 

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I think the referee wanted to go home because that was a terrible no call at the end. Utah will probably take the guy we want right before us in the draft and everybody will be happy that Gerald Green got all those minutes.
 
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Tucker fouled a Utah player behind the 3 point line that was not called. The Suns were leading by only 2 with under a second. Only the Suns could get a win like this that could potentially hurt them in the standings concerning ping pong balls.

Suns 87 Jazz 85
 
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I think the referee wanted to go home because that was a terrible no call at the end. Utah will probably take the guy we want right before us in the draft and everybody will be happy that Gerald Green got all those minutes.

It's the Suns way it seems. The referee gave the Suns a win that could damage them. No way the Suns ever get it right.
 

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I am more and more convinced that Jeff Hornacek needs to go.

Our season is over and he is still playing Waffen and Goodwin limited minutes but instead gives minutes to Green or Jerel McNeal?? And he plays Marcus Morris almost 40 minutes per game..
 

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I am more and more convinced that Jeff Hornacek needs to go.

Our season is over and he is still playing Waffen and Goodwin limited minutes but instead gives minutes to Green or Jerel McNeal?? And he plays Marcus Morris almost 40 minutes per game..

Marcus has had a few 40 minute games but it's an exaggeration to say he's playing "almost 40 minutes per game". Going backwards from the GSW game, his rounded minutes per game have been 26, 22, 37, 44, 26, 36, 36, 40, 39, 36, 30, 28, 19, 41, 20 which averages out to 32 minutes per game. If you go back further that average just goes down.

For all we know we might be auditioning the Morri for a trade. I know Marcus has raised his PER a few points since the trade deadline and is now almost average for whatever that's worth. Also, it's not like he's an old player with a fully developed game. He's just 25 and he's a much better player today than the anchor that took the court a few months ago. That's not saying much but still, it might be enough to entice some team to trade for them.

I don't really see a problem with Goodwin or Warren's minutes since the break. Except for the occasional DNP they are both getting decent minutes. I'd like to see them get a little more time but we're talking maybe 5 more minutes a game so I don't see it as a big deal. For a 1st and a 2nd year player, neither of them highly drafted, they are logging plenty of court time now. It can't be easy to go from rarely playing to playing 20 minutes a game 3 or 4 times a week.

As for McNeal, I don't know what the thinking is on him but he's played a grand total of 13 minutes in 2 games so I'm not too concerned. All said, I don't have any idea how to gauge Jeff's performance but right now the allocating of minutes seems trivial given the bigger issues out there.
 

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Out of all WCF teams that have missed playoffs both this season and last year, Suns have given their rookies the fewest minutes in the NBA.
 

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Out of all WCF teams that have missed playoffs both this season and last year, Suns have given their rookies the fewest minutes in the NBA.

Is this true or is it one of those things you make up and figure no one will check your math? Not that it matters, it's meaningless even if it's based on fact. How many WCF teams were in the playoff hunt the last 2 seasons and still missed the postseason? Besides us, I can't think of another team.
 

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Is this true or is it one of those things you make up and figure no one will check your math? Not that it matters, it's meaningless even if it's based on fact. How many WCF teams were in the playoff hunt the last 2 seasons and still missed the postseason? Besides us, I can't think of another team.

I guarantee its made up in the hope that no one checks the math.
 

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Is this true or is it one of those things you make up and figure no one will check your math? Not that it matters, it's meaningless even if it's based on fact. How many WCF teams were in the playoff hunt the last 2 seasons and still missed the postseason? Besides us, I can't think of another team.

There was a stat on it last year and I posted it once. For this season, I looked through the standings and I didn't see any team playing less rookies this year but I could be wrong for this season (even then, not by much we would be bottom 3 at best imo). When I say looked through standings, I do watch a lot of games for the West teams, both playoffs and non playoff teams.

You can feel free to check it yourself for last season and this season.

And I don't really give a crap about "being in the hunt". We were "in the hunt" in the post-Amare years plenty and it was all wasted seasons. Nuggets have been "in the hunt" as well and you can ask their fans and they'll tell you it hasn't done them much good.

Mediocrity isn't something to be proud of. "Being close" has never counted for anything in sports and not all that much in life in general either, at least for me.
 
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I guarantee its made up in the hope that no one checks the math.

Probably, but it's ambiguous enough that it might be accurate by accident. But as I said, it's meaningless. Teams that have 5 rookies and are tanking are going to give them a lot more total minutes than a team with 1 rookie fighting for a spot in the playoffs. And rookies that are drafted high typically get more minutes early in their career than highly speculative picks such as Archie Goodwin.
 

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There was a stat on it last year and I posted it once. For this season, I looked through the standings and I didn't see any team playing less rookies this year but I could be wrong for this season (even then, not by much we would be bottom 3 at best imo). When I say looked through standings, I do watch a lot of games for the West teams, both playoffs and non playoff teams.

You can feel free to check it yourself for last season and this season.

And I don't really give a crap about "being in the hunt". We were "in the hunt" in the post-Amare years plenty and it was all wasted seasons. Nuggets have been "in the hunt" as well and you can ask their fans and they'll tell you it hasn't done them much good.

Mediocrity isn't something to be proud of. "Being close" has never counted for anything in sports and not all that much in life in general either, at least for me.

Who cares what you give a crap about. Stop posting these ridiculous claims without doing the research. When you state something as fact, we should be able to accept it as such and not wonder if you pulled yet another tidbit from the dark region of your body.
 

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Who cares what you give a crap about. Stop posting these ridiculous claims without doing the research. When you state something as fact, we should be able to accept it as such and not wonder if you pulled yet another tidbit from the dark region of your body.

First off, you need to calm the heck down. And second, I already said the first season is something that is true and for this season, it is my guess but sure when I find time I can take Warren & Ennis minutes from when he was a Sun and total it and compare it to other teams rookies.
 

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