Jazz want a point guard

[elindholm]

According to hoopshype, the Jazz are looking for a "veteran" point guard to provide backup insurance. There are obviously a lot of options out there, but I wonder whether an Eisley deal might be possible. The Jazz still have a lot of room under the cap, but the Suns would have to find some way to make the deal attractive, since otherwise the Jazz can easily look elsewhere.

How about Eisley, Cabarkapa, and cash for a future second-round pick? The Suns would get a huge trade exception that could come in handy later.

 

[cepstrum]

According to hoopshype, the Jazz are looking for a "veteran" point guard to provide backup insurance. There are obviously a lot of options out there, but I wonder whether an Eisley deal might be possible. The Jazz still have a lot of room under the cap, but the Suns would have to find some way to make the deal attractive, since otherwise the Jazz can easily look elsewhere.

How about Eisley, Cabarkapa, and cash for a future second-round pick? The Suns would get a huge trade exception that could come in handy later.

I doubt they would go for that. The reason they need a 3rd string pt guard is because they decided not to match on mo williams because of his 'large' contract. The 'large' contract he signed with bucks was for 3 years and 5.5 mill. They are surley not going to want eisley for two years and 12 mill. The second rounder and Z sweeten the pot a little but, but not enough.

I honestly think that we will either buy out eisley, as Gambo and Ash alluded to, or probably wait a year until he has trade value because of his expiring contract and trade him then. I cant see anyone stupid enough to take him. I was thinking that Houston, who desperatly needed a pt guard, might have gone for it, but even Houston knew better than that.

 

[elindholm]

I honestly think that we will either buy out eisley, as Gambo and Ash alluded to

Buyouts are actually quite difficult to engineer. It's different if a player has an option year, because then the team can bribe him to decline his option. But if he's "locked in" to his current contract, it's more complicated. I don't have it sorted out, but you can get a sense of the issues here:

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#57

Eisley is probably better than Williams, and his contract is shorter, so I think the Cabarkapa bribe might be enough. But you're right, it also may not be.

 

[Joe Mama]

At this point I believe Cabarkapa's trade value is negligible. He showed glimpses of good play before his injury, but overall he has done very little. He was also cut by a Serbian team that is struggling in Olympic play right now. Even if the Suns gave the maximum $3 million that would leave them paying Eisley $10 million over the next two seasons.

After seeing what it to to get the Utah Jazz to take Tom Gugliotta (a deal that actually helped their team and save them money anyways) I think it would take a whole lot more than Cabarkapa and cash to unload Eisley.

Joe Mama

 

[sunsfn]

Zarko has been in the league for one year and had an operation and a broken wrist. The suns were high on him and he looked very good at times.
The idea of dumping him is ridiculous, he needs another year for the suns to figure out if he is going to be a good player. He was the 17th pick in the draft, and if you use him to get rid of Eisleys contract who are you going to replace him with.

The suns do not want to trade any of their core players at this time. This is obvious after all the trade talks, and we still have Marion & JJ, the most talked about players to trade.

Zarko has shown that he really knows how to play the game of basketball, and his problems have been physical with the injuries and needing to get stronger.

Eddie Johnson said many times that Zarko understands how to play the game of basketball better than most players that have been in the league for many years.

There is no doubt the suns need a starting center to complete this team, and if you make a trade to do that and include Zarko, that is a different deal altogether than just dumping him to get rid of another contract.

Eisley will have some value next year and then they can probably trade him and a draft pick to get rid of his contract. I think that Eisley can play the game better than some of you, and his poor performance last year was due to the problems the suns had with coaching changes, Eisley coming in the middle of the year, and the nagging injuries that he had.

 

[elindholm]

I think that Eisley can play the game better than some of you

That's a good point. Eisley can play better than some of us on the board.

 

[George O'Brien]

Eisley can play. In 2002-03 Eisley averaged 9.1 ppg on 41.7% shooting, 5.4 assists per game and only 1.84 turnovers per game in 27.4 minutes. Those are respectable stats. His numbers dropped off early last last season with the Knicks, but were not horrible and his assists per minute were similar to the prior season.

No one knows for sure why Eisley played so much worse with the Suns. It was said that he had a major problem adjusting to the Suns less structured offense. Perhaps the biggest problem he had was his three point shooting where he dropped from 38.9% in 2002-03 to only 30.8% with the Suns. In 2002-03, half of his made shots were for three but he could never find the range with the Suns.

I would guess that the Suns will try to showcase Eisley during the pre-season. If he could rediscover his outside shot, there is a remote chance that someone would give up an expiring contract for him. In any case, there is nothing to be gained by a buyout.

 

[Gaddabout]

Can the Suns restructure his contract to make him more appealing to other teams? He's going to be 32 this year. I would think he'd prefer making less and getting an opportunity to play than collecting a paycheck on IR.

 

[Mainstreet]

How about Eisley, Cabarkapa, and cash for a future second-round pick? The Suns would get a huge trade exception that could come in handy later.

I feel the Suns were already violated by the Utah Jazz in the Tom Gugliotta trade. We gave them (2) number one draft picks and a 2005 second round pick for essentially what was a salary dump.

The suggestion of giving Utah anything for Eisley repulses me, let alone a second year player with potential like Zarko.

If the Utah Jazz want Eisley and his contract, I'm all for it, but I cringe at the idea of giving Utah anything to take his salary.

The prior trade with Utah involving Gugliotta has left a bad taste in my mouth.

 

[devilalum]

I feel the Suns were already violated by the Utah Jazz in the Tom Gugliotta trade. We gave them (2) number one draft picks and a 2005 second round pick for essentially what was a salary dump.

The suggestion of giving Utah anything for Eisley repulses me, let alone a second year player with potential like Zarko.

If the Utah Jazz want Eisley and his contract, I'm all for it, but I cringe at the idea of giving Utah anything to take his salary.

The prior trade with Utah involving Gugliotta has left a bad taste in my mouth.

I would agree uless the Suns had a player lined up they would sign with the money.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Can the Suns restructure his contract to make him more appealing to other teams? He's going to be 32 this year. I would think he'd prefer making less and getting an opportunity to play than collecting a paycheck on IR.

Restructuring contracts isn't allowed under the CBA.

He would have to accept a buyout, but the effect on our cap would be negligible since his deal is almost up.

 

[George O'Brien]

Restructuring contracts isn't allowed under the CBA.

He would have to accept a buyout, but the effect on our cap would be negligible since his deal is almost up.

Sometimes buyouts "work" financially, but since they don't do anything to the cap they are irrelevant unless the player is lockerroom poison. Unfortunately, many reporters write as if it was possible to use buyouts to gain cap space, but as someone else said, it doesn't work that way.

 

[NJYAJ09]

wasnt utah the place where Eisley really flourised?


if so, i bet he'd love to get out of phoenix and go to utah.

 

[George O'Brien]

wasnt utah the place where Eisley really flourised?


if so, i bet he'd love to get out of phoenix and go to utah.

I'm sure Eisley would love to go almost anywhere. There is a very real chance that will spend the next two years on IR which can be very frustrating to someone who was on a very good team in Utah (twice made the finals).

I'm not sure, but it appears that he was picked up by the Mavericks in a "sign and trade" deal with Utah in 2000. In 2000-01 Eisley started 40 of 82 games for a Maverick's team that won 53 games. Eisley played an average of 29.6 minutes where he averaged 9 ppg and 39.8% for three (which was better than his overall average of 39.3%). Since Nash started 70 games, this suggests that Eisley was used as an SG that year, which would explain why his assist total was very low compared to his minutes played.

Dallas traded him the following summer to the Knicks. It appears Eisley was injured for part of 2001-02 but started 76 of 82 games in 2002-03. He started 23 or 33 games with the Knicks before being traded to the Suns in 2003-04.

If it weren't for his contract, he would have some value to a team needing an experienced PG that has a better than a career 2 to 1 assist to turnover ratio. But he would need to be able to start for a team to even think about paying his price.